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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
I have taken my 93 5.0 up to Sac Raceway three times now and its run a best of 13.11 @ 99.88 w/ 1.70 60ft on slicks.
http://mustangmotorsport.com/images/drag/13115.jpg

I have not had a chance to weigh it but it is fully loaded with the only weight savings being spare, jack, and sway bar. It has subframes and torque box reinforcement plates which add some of the weight back.

I am curious as to how many guys have bettered that or come close in a stock motored foxbody in Northern California? Who holds the crown and how many guys are ahead of me?

I am talking bone stock from oil pan to throttle body. No 1.7rr, no none-stock intakes, no throttle bodies, no weight removal, etc.

If you guys are interested, I have been documenting all the progress with pics, vids, and time-slips here:
http://www.mustangmotorsport.com/drag.html




 

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Posted by jordan_0806 (Member # 5888) on :
 
I know it may be not quite stock....but my friend Young has acoupe on drgalites as well...has run a 12.4 @ 105 on stock motor, stock heads, stock intake, stock tranny...only difference is he has non-stock 1.6 rollers, a TFS 1 cam...a 2800 stall, 4.10's and some minor suspension work...
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
So are we saying o/r exhaust is ok?
 

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Posted by DennisG (Member # 163) on :
 
Depends on each person's definition of "stock". Slicks and subframes are hardley stock and judging by your 1.7 60' time those tires are really helping getting that low 13. When you say stock do you mean no engine mods or showroom stock the way the car came from the dealer? Nice pics by the way.

Edit: guess I could have read the title, so I'm assuming no engine mods but suspension and tires are ok.

[ April 03, 2006, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: DennisG ]
 

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Posted by silverLX (Member # 3207) on :
 
Stock weight and motor are the only specified factors.

I ran a 13.7 in a LX vert with gears and exhaust. This was with a 1.9 60ft on street tires. Your times are impressive!
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
My friends 87 hatch has already gone 99.9 MPH with me riding in the passanger seat. I think with some gears and skinnies it could be a 12 second contender
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
guys, lol, I think you are missing the point

1.) UNTOUCHED from throttle body to oil pan. That means no aftermarket cam, no intake, no roller rockers, no throttle bodies, no power adder, etc

2.) No weight reduction. Traditionally, the sway bar, spare, and jack have always been accepted.

3.) Beyond #1 and #2, anything goes. Any exhaust, any wheel configuration, any gears, etc

I talked to st5150 about this and he mentioned that he has never heard anyone go faster with a bone stock motor. That got me pretty curious.
I'd like to know if anyone has gone faster than my 13.11 in Northern California with the above requirements.
 

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Posted by 90GT (Member # 3) on :
 

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My friends 87 hatch has already gone 99.9 MPH with me riding in the passanger seat. I think with some gears and skinnies it could be a 12 second contender

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Tell that Jackpine50 to get with it. No passenger and no accessory belt and he's in.
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
My friends 87 hatch has already gone 99.9 MPH with me riding in the passanger seat. I think with some gears and skinnies it could be a 12 second contender

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Tell that Jackpine50 to get with it. No passenger and no accessory belt and he's in.

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Oh, I'm going to work on this!
 

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Posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' (Member # 895) on :
 

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My friends 87 hatch has already gone 99.9 MPH with me riding in the passanger seat. I think with some gears and skinnies it could be a 12 second contender

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Tell that Jackpine50 to get with it. No passenger and no accessory belt and he's in.

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Oh, I'm going to work on this!

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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
My friends 87 hatch has already gone 99.9 MPH with me riding in the passanger seat. I think with some gears and skinnies it could be a 12 second contender

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Tell that Jackpine50 to get with it. No passenger and no accessory belt and he's in.

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Oh, I'm going to work on this!

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Yeah slicks, gears, no Drew......Equals fast stocker? Oh wait does a race Crank Pullie count?

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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
My friends 87 hatch has already gone 99.9 MPH with me riding in the passanger seat. I think with some gears and skinnies it could be a 12 second contender

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Tell that Jackpine50 to get with it. No passenger and no accessory belt and he's in.

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Oh, I'm going to work on this!

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Yeah slicks, gears, no Drew......Equals fast stocker? Oh wait does a race Crank Pullie count?

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No Drew?

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"No Drew" as in get his beer belly out of the passenger seat. FATTY! HHAHAHHA
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
You're right. I need to be in the driver seat
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
Didnt the "gumby" coupe make it into the 12's in mostly stock trim with some weight savings??
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by mustanggt5091:
Didnt the "gumby" coupe make it into the 12's in mostly stock trim with some weight savings??

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He never quite made it. He was knocking on the door, but the car was stolen and stripped before he could get it accomplished
 

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Posted by Jackpine 5.0 (Member # 6349) on :
 
I think I need to drive a few more times before I let Drew take over, I just need some track time and I know I can improve my time.
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
Hell yeah you can!

Shoot, 99 MPH on your first time EVER down the track and in a stock fox to boot! I'm sure you'll see better and better times
 

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Posted by StockMotorHero (Member # 6171) on :
 
Luke, you're definitely one of the fastest, if not the fastest. I am the fastest in Southern California, no doubt about it.

Drew, how fast did you go with the stock 94 GT motor ???
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
Luke, you're definitely one of the fastest, if not the fastest. I am the fastest in Southern California, no doubt about it.

Drew, how fast did you go with the stock 94 GT motor ???

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Car Craft?
 

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Posted by StockMotorHero (Member # 6171) on :
 
that's me!!!
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

 

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Posted by yipnip5.0 (Member # 175) on :
 
"no weight reduction" except for skinnies up front?
"stock from pan to TB" except for:

- electric fan
- headers
- Under-drive water pump and crank pullies
- Moroso CAI
- C&L 76mm MAF
- NO BELT!?! WTF, like that is stock?



I wonder how many of these "is anyone faster than me with my [fill in the blank plus stock lugnuts] criteria" threads get posted each year?


Nice times dude, but Ed McMahon says he ain't ready to give you any prizes.

[ April 05, 2006, 02:48 AM: Message edited by: yipnip5.0 ]
 

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Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :
 

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
that's me!!!

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Yeah i just seen that yesterday, i thought it was you. Nice job making the mag
 

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Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 

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Originally posted by mustanggt5091:
Didnt the "gumby" coupe make it into the 12's in mostly stock trim with some weight savings??

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He never quite made it. He was knocking on the door, but the car was stolen and stripped before he could get it accomplished

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gumby's soul lives on inside my car
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by yipnip5.0:
"no weight reduction" except for skinnies up front?
"stock from pan to TB" except for:

- electric fan
- headers
- Under-drive water pump and crank pullies
- Moroso CAI
- C&L 76mm MAF
- NO BELT!?! WTF, like that is stock?



I wonder how many of these "is anyone faster than me with my [fill in the blank plus stock lugnuts] criteria" threads get posted each year?


Nice times dude, but Ed McMahon says he ain't ready to give you any prizes.

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Seems like a pretty simple concept to me. DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON/IN THE MOTOR, just change things "around" the motor. People have been talking about setups like this for years trying to get into the 12's.
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
Luke, you're definitely one of the fastest, if not the fastest. I am the fastest in Southern California, no doubt about it.

Drew, how fast did you go with the stock 94 GT motor ???

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Some of my very first mods would have already bumped me from this category of setups
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:

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Originally posted by yipnip5.0:
"no weight reduction" except for skinnies up front?
"stock from pan to TB" except for:

- electric fan
- headers
- Under-drive water pump and crank pullies
- Moroso CAI
- C&L 76mm MAF
- NO BELT!?! WTF, like that is stock?



I wonder how many of these "is anyone faster than me with my [fill in the blank plus stock lugnuts] criteria" threads get posted each year?


Nice times dude, but Ed McMahon says he ain't ready to give you any prizes.

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Seems like a pretty simple concept to me. DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON/IN THE MOTOR, just change things "around" the motor. People have been talking about setups like this for years trying to get into the 12's.

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Yip, I understand your logic, and Drew thank you for explaining. What this stems from is that when it comes to motor build-ups, someone will always be faster than you. By racing stock motors, as they came from the factory, you set a common baseline and everyone has the same starting point to chase the goal. The idea is to maximize the motor that you already have. This concept has existed for many years. I did not just invent it, lol. It allows people all over the country to compare apples to apples when it comes to their 5-liter.

This has been a concept that has been alive since 1987 when Neil Van Oppre propelled an '87 LX hatch into the 12.99 range mostly stock. He had a few mods "around" the motor like Drew described, but for years people ruled it out because he had aftermarket roller rockers. Then, if I am not mistaken, Ed Hohengerg did it in 88 in his 87lx coupe. This guy used a very steep gear and 28 inch slicks, again with boltons, going wheels up to dip into the 12's. Here is a pic:



In '89, Bob Cosby (who is the one responsible for making stock motored 12.99's mainstream due to his continuous magazine exposure where rags were impressed with his times with no aftermarket heads/intake/cam/rr) dipped into the 12's.

Since then its been reproduced by a number of people all over the country who have posted results all over the popular sites such as corral.net, stangnet.com, mustangworks.com, etc.

Although there is some ambiguity as to what exactly is acceptable, both "stockmotorhero" and I have read a lot about this concept in the past few months. If you are interested, there is a wealth of info on this topic if you do a search on the corral where guys attempted to quantify it all. Nobody will ever completely agree as to what is acceptable and what isn't, but that's normal.

And Yip, thank you for pointing out the ambiguity in all of this, because you are absolutely right, but some baseline needs to be defined... otherwise what are all the stock motored guys chasing? I fully recognize how silly this concept seems for someone without the background in it

So in conclusion, Drew hit the nail on the head. Thanks Drew

[ April 05, 2006, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Chris is running SD?
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
Chris is running SD?

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
Chris is running SD?

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Seems like a pretty simple concept to me. DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON/IN THE MOTOR, just change things "around" the motor. People have been talking about setups like this for years trying to get into the 12's. [/QB]

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Drew--thanks for clarifying ... you know what Luke's goal was whereas many of these guys don't understand. It's about ringing out a combination to the absolute MAX.

Yipnip--the point here is to replicate and honor the accomplishments of stock motor racers of yore by using parts similar to what was available to them in 1987-1988. At that time, Bob Cosby, Ed Hohenberg, Al Renkel, and others only had basic speed parts at their disposal ... gears, slicks, skinnies, air filters, underdrive pullies, removing the belt, aftermarket shifter, clutch, basic weight removal, timing/ tuning and most importantly AGGRESSIVE driving. The most amusing part about running a stock motor into the 12's is that 99% of people you meet at the track don't believe you!!

You can't argue that going fast with less isn't cool... and it's even more fun doing it without the aid of drag suspension.

[ April 05, 2006, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: StockMotorHero ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
That is why I went for 11's naturally aspirated at full weight w/ H/C/I 5.0 LX hatch. Lot's of non-believers until the get under the hood. Very entertaining.
 

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Posted by StockMotorHero (Member # 6171) on :
 
BTW--I'm sure Jim Langley and Drew are well aware of the driving technique required to run the number here, but for others ... it takes a "take no prisoners" approach to the car. If you're scared of breaking it, you likely won't run the number. Here is an in-car video of one of my passes for reference (and believe me Luke drives his car just as hard):

In-Car
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Boo YaaaH!!!!!

Never lift and have a spare T5 ready at all times


Looks the inside of my rattle trap. May just have to do that V8 swap sooner than later...
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
BTW--I'm sure Jim Langley and Drew are well aware of the driving technique required to run the number here, but for others ... it takes a "take no prisoners" approach to the car. If you're scared of breaking it, you likely won't run the number. Here is an in-car video of one of my passes for reference (and believe me Luke drives his car just as hard):

In-Car

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Thats exactly right. In order to even consider 12.999 with a stock motor, the thing needs to be driven like a rental that is no longer in service.

Look at me, I launched off the limiter, 60fts were 1.70's, I powershifted every gear, and still fell a tenth short.

It was definitely a blast however!
 

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Posted by 2Coupes (Member # 5617) on :
 
ok i want some slicks
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
I am selling some 5 lug rims and slicks in the for sale forum
 

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Posted by 67stang (Member # 549) on :
 
I went 11.8 with stock 5.0L block, crank, rods and iron heads (carbed.) full weight 67.
I too am a local hero in my own right. ( )

Thanks for telling me about this thread FasterDamnit, I needed the uplift today.


P.S. Nice ET's Luke, but why are you selling the slicks and stopping two tenths short?

[ April 05, 2006, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: 67stang ]
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.
 

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Posted by Quick 88LX (Member # 1950) on :
 
Very impressive, If I may say so. I went 12.88 with a stock cam in my 88LX in 2003. I had heads and an intake of course but I agree that the stock motors CAN run hard if supported correctly and driven like hell
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.

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booooo

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.

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Originally posted by modular:
WHAT!!!!!!!! Dont quit!!! Joo can do it! 410's? Try 410's gear it some more. Im assuming your motor isnt a rebuild? A little power may be lost there, no excuses though. Atleast try until something brakes! Ice it? You WILL GAIN FROM ICING!!! Its cheesy at the strip BUT IT WORKS! ICE IT! Youre 1 tenth away.

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
LUKE!!!

What are you going to do differently next time out?

You are a full tenth away after exhausting all your mods.

Weld rears, longtubes, dyno tune, weight removal??? What's in the cards?

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Weight Removal is ok now? nice consistency in the "rules" lol.

 

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Posted by StockMotorHero (Member # 6171) on :
 
Yipnip-- basic weight removal is acceptable. A/C delete, rear seat removal, passenger seat removal, spare tire/ jack removal, and things along those lines ... The car should not weigh less than 3000 lbs under any circumstances so you know we're not gutting the cars.

The reason I suggested it to Luke is because his car is basically 100% full weight fully optioned 93 coupe. A/C removal, along with rear seat removal could drop almost 100lbs and would basically bring him to his goal.

I hope this clears things up for you YipNip.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Chris, we strongly disagree on that one. For me, the seat removal is gutting imho. It would not be considered...

sway bar, any rim config, spare, jack, and thats pretty it. Otherwise where does it stop?
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Chris, we strongly disagree on that one. For me, the seat removal is gutting imho. It would not be considered...

sway bar, any rim config, spare, jack, and thats pretty it. Otherwise where does it stop?

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Chris, we strongly disagree on that one. For me, the seat removal is gutting imho. It would not be considered...

sway bar, any rim config, spare, jack, and thats pretty it. Otherwise where does it stop?

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Did you run w/ no belt?

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Originally posted by yipnip5.0:
wait a minute, both you and chris ran without belts?
So neither of you have a 12 with the commonly accepted short belt limitation?

Ok, so now the truth comes out!

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yip, easy there. The only truth that has "come out" is that you aren't reading all the details.

If you go to the original first post in this thread, it has a link to my drag page with every single detail you would ever want. I am not hiding anything. Not my style...

This has been a big learning experience for both chris and me and I am bringing all the details out in the open. Some will be impressed, some won't. That's fine.

Rather than come on here with consistent negativity and doubt, why not add some constructive criticism (if you can) so you are actually contributing helpful information?

Were you stuck in stock motored 15's or something? The soft spot has to be stemming from somewhere right, lol.

[ April 06, 2006, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Borrowed some skinnies, powershifted w/ throttle on the floor, and DA.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Borrowed some skinnies, powershifted w/ throttle on the floor, and DA.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Jim, how did you conquer the last couple tenths when you were knocking on 11.9's door?

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Jim, how did you conquer the last couple tenths when you were knocking on 11.9's door?

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Luke, i have never been closed to 11.9s. with the cobra i went 12.3s at 116-117 on street tires(well nittos, but not drag radials) could;ve gone 11s, but needed a different driver and someone with enough balls to blow a halfshaft and not care. that was not me.
And with the coupe. so far my best is 13.009.
Keep trying.. you are too close to give up now!!!

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Originally posted by yipnip5.0:
wait a minute, both you and chris ran without belts?
So neither of you have a 12 with the commonly accepted short belt limitation?

Ok, so now the truth comes out!

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yip, easy there. The only truth that has "come out" is that you aren't reading all the details.

If you go to the original first post in this thread, it has a link to my drag page with every single detail you would ever want. I am not hiding anything. Not my style...

This has been a big learning experience for both chris and me and I am bringing all the details out in the open. Some will be impressed, some won't. That's fine.

Rather than come on here with consistent negativity and doubt, why not add some constructive criticism (if you can) so you are actually contributing helpful information?

Were you stuck in stock motored 15's or something? The soft spot has to be stemming from somewhere right, lol.

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Hey Drew and Jim don't forget about the famous now white93ghost of Jon's. In the begining we had that car in the low 12.80s range with a all stock engine untouched the only mods was exhaust and a ton of suspension work.

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Originally posted by 1320MASTER:
Hey Drew and Jim don't forget about the famous now white93ghost of Jon's. In the begining we had that car in the low 12.80s range with a all stock engine untouched the only mods was exhaust and a ton of suspension work.

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I don't think I even knew you guys before that car had the H/C/I. Remeber your 60 ft's?
Both Chris and Luke seem to be scared of 90/10's, adjustable lowers and 10psi...


So, Is Jon still breathing?
 

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Posted by yipnip5.0 (Member # 175) on :
 
ok here are my secrets:
4cyl front springs
90-10's
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
IIIIIICEEEEEEEEE!

I always ran a frozen intake. 5k launches w/ a sidestep!
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1320MASTER:
Hey Drew and Jim don't forget about the famous now white93ghost of Jon's. In the begining we had that car in the low 12.80s range with a all stock engine untouched the only mods was exhaust and a ton of suspension work.

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I don't think I even knew you guys before that car had the H/C/I. Remeber your 60 ft's?
Both Chris and Luke seem to be scared of 90/10's, adjustable lowers and 10psi...


So, Is Jon still breathing?

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lol, not scared at all. We just value handling over a full drag set-up. With 1.69-1.70 60s, I don't think I am sacrificing too much. Chris has cut 1.67's down in So Cal. We are both running stiff suspensions. I have the full Bullitt gig and Chris has 350# front coil overs with Griggs rear springs.

Towards the end of the night, both of our slicks were in the 8-9psi range. Talk about a hairy ride down the track on the big end!
 

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Posted by modular (Member # 6599) on :
 
STOCK MOTOR. Get it into the 12's no belt with a stock motor and youll still get respect. Invite these others to try the same. Ice, different shift points and I think a steaper gear is in need. How about gas? What octane are you using? Bring the octane up a few points and give her a little more timing? Youre not done yet! All of these ideas are easy and quick except the rear end. Timing varies car to car anyhow so mess with it a little. Leave the belt while trying this other crap to keep the stress down once you see it close pull the belt, bust off a 12. P.S. Youre kinda commited to do this since going Nation wide on corral. Youll be known as the guy that couldnt!

1. ice
2. octane
3. timing
4. shift points
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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P.S. Youre kinda commited to do this since going Nation wide on corral. Youll be known as the guy that couldnt!

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IIIIIICEEEEEEEEE!

I always ran a frozen intake. 5k launches w/ a sidestep!

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Have not iced the intake yet, but I got you beat by 1250 on the launches. How much is icing the intake worth?
 

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Posted by modular (Member # 6599) on :
 
Im not sure anyone has ever tested the exact improvement. Sounds like you have another new task. LOL
 

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Posted by 1320MASTER (Member # 773) on :
 
Yes it the was before your time but the 60 foots on a good track was 1.70s and then i think the clutch gave out.
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
I saw up to a tenth if you could go right away and not have the intake heat up while waiting. And are you side-stepping the clutch at the limiter? Good clutch? I ran a CF DF w/ no issues.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
sidestep everytime

I have been playing with two launch techniques.

The first is the standard hold it at the limiter and side-step. The second is trying to side-step while the angular velocity of the flywheel is increasing, rather than just holding it up there. Basically, I want the flywheel to be accelerating when I pop the clutch at 6200ish.

Hard to quantify the results. Don't have enough passes under my belt to do that quite yet. The car has been down the track 18 times thus far.
 

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Posted by bunchmyfunky (Member # 360) on :
 
Find 1mph and drop your 60ft down into the mid 1.6s and I think your there. Side stepping off the limiter or close to it is not always the best way to launch the car. Try launching at a lower rpm don't side step it just let it out fast and mash the gas pedal while your doing it, you should have a little tire spin. Have you done anything with fuel pressure and timing?
 

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Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :
 
Like the others have been saying, you can't stop now. Especially when you say you've only been down the track 18 times with it so far. You definitely have to ice the intake down, i do it every pass down the track, we stop at the gas station and get 2 bags and put them in a 5 Gal. garbage bags and set them on the intake. Do you have longtubes? If not i would get some 1 5/8, they will give you the extra torque that you need. I want to see you accomplish this

[ April 07, 2006, 02:50 AM: Message edited by: streakmatt ]
 

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Posted by StockMotorHero (Member # 6171) on :
 
Luke my boy!! Looks like you have quite the support on these forums. I would like to see you hit that number very much as well. You have worked too hard and come too close not to bask in the glory of 12.999.

Sometimes it takes a bunch of internet guys that you haven't met before to pressure you into doing something.
 

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Posted by yipnip5.0 (Member # 175) on :
 

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
Luke my boy!! Looks like you have quite the support on these forums. I would like to see you hit that number very much as well. You have worked too hard and come too close not to bask in the glory of 12.999.

Sometimes it takes a bunch of internet guys that you haven't met before to pressure you into doing something.

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yup you are right. I'd like to see you get a 12.99 too with a short belt, no easy way out
 

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Posted by PWR HNGRY 302 (Member # 6000) on :
 
Iam kinda new to drag racing so i dont know about all the tricks to it, iam just starting to get into it and ive only got a few runs in at the track. I got a couple questions for all you guys
1. What is sidesteping?
2.How do run w/out a belt should you at lest run the waterpump?
Thanks
 

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Posted by 90GT (Member # 3) on :
 
Another vote for you to stick with it Luke. An AFPR might get you a little more mph. For sure air up the front tires, 10 psi over the max for the tire is a general rule, more if your comfortable. I never really noticed ice on the intake helping much, so I stopped using it. Many others swear by it, so thats worth a try too as they have stated. As for the launches, you seem to be doing well there. Your doing better than Jim in that area for your mph, so you might ignore him in that department. Most of all hope you catch a good air day. Sometimes the friday night sessions can be good for that, which they switch over to in a month or two.

1320Master- I remember Jon making all those passes in the coupe but wasn't that a cobra take out motor, I could be wrong though, it has been a while.
 

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Posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' (Member # 895) on :
 

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Originally posted by PWR HNGRY 302:
Iam kinda new to drag racing so i dont know about all the tricks to it, iam just starting to get into it and ive only got a few runs in at the track. I got a couple questions for all you guys
1. What is sidesteping?
2.How do run w/out a belt should you at lest run the waterpump?
Thanks

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Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':

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Originally posted by PWR HNGRY 302:
Iam kinda new to drag racing so i dont know about all the tricks to it, iam just starting to get into it and ive only got a few runs in at the track. I got a couple questions for all you guys
1. What is sidesteping?
2.How do run w/out a belt should you at lest run the waterpump?
Thanks

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Questions are always ok. I hate when people dog on others when they don't know thing. There is only one way to find out and that is to ask.

1. Sidesteping the clutch pedal. When you are at the line staged he takes the motor up to a desired RPM(Like how Jim said 5K) When you have the clutch in all you do is "slid" your foot off the clutch pedal to the left quickly.

2.You can run the car with out the belt for a run. You don't want to run it too much after that. It will get pretty warm with out the pump running but people do it all the time. Some guys will jump out the car on the return road and put it back on.

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Alright thanks man, i appreciate the help.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
UPDATE: 4-15-06

Well guys, you convinced me to give it another crack at it. New mods for this week were:

- 180* stat
- Tune-up (plugs, wires, cap/rotor)
- Removed the March Ram Air scoop and instead took out the passenger side side marker to give the air a line of site to the air filter.

I headed out to Sac Raceway despite the ominous looking clouds over me. I met and bs'd with Yellow94GT, 98slowhoe, 93Pony and a few others from this board. Nice meeting you guys by the way.

I only got 2 passes in due to a rain cancelation at about 2:30pm. All runs were made WITH the belt on.

Both runs were in the 13.0x range with the better of the two shown below:



0.08X short, OUCH, lol.

I had been icing my intake for a good 30 minutes, and was the next car in line, when a few drops started to come down and they canceled it. I think with a 1.70 60ft after that long intake icing session, it could have been close... Gotta love it, lol.
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
Hang in there Luke!
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Is that your best MPH? Looks really good.

And remember- the folks that did back in the day usually ran 4.10's and had more drag specific suspension. But you are there. Ice does make a difference.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
Is that your best MPH? Looks really good.

And remember- the folks that did back in the day usually ran 4.10's and had more drag specific suspension. But you are there. Ice does make a difference.

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Ya Jim, 102.626 is the best mph. I ran 105 last time, but the clocks were all over the place, and thus don't believe it was true. That was with a Ram Air and no belt however, so who knows how off it was?

Getting a 12.99 with a 102.x mph is NOT easy.

As Drew pointed out, its usually the "4's" that indicate enough power to dip into the next second of the ET bracket...

104mph for 12.99
114mph for 11.99
124mph for 10.99

[ April 16, 2006, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 

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Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :
 
I'm glad your sticking with it Luke. Congrats on the 13.0, there's no turning back now I bet you would have ran a 12.99 after icing the intake for 30 minutes, but you gotta love the rain. When is the next time you are thinking of going out there and trying again?
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
My experience showed no improvement w/ ram air when I was running low 12's. Did a few back-to-back tests. That is excellent trap speed for stock 5.0.
 

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Posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' (Member # 895) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
Is that your best MPH? Looks really good.

And remember- the folks that did back in the day usually ran 4.10's and had more drag specific suspension. But you are there. Ice does make a difference.

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Ya Jim, 102.626 is the best mph. I ran 105 last time, but the clocks were all over the place, and thus don't believe it was true. That was with a Ram Air and no belt however, so who knows how off it was?

Getting a 12.99 with a 102.x mph is NOT easy.

As Drew pointed out, its usually the "4's" that indicate enough power to dip into the next second of the ET bracket...

104mph for 12.99
114mph for 11.99
124mph for 10.99

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