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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
I'll be there. Less than 24 hours later I'll be in Vegas
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
hopefully i will have found prostars by then along with tires (et streets) from Manny(cvtires.com)
i really hope to get a freaking 12 n/a before my trip to Peru.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
the tires you have now are perfectly sufficient. You won't get less than a 1.7 you got now with what you have.
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
so 1.7s is as good as i'll get? why lack of power or driving ability ?
ha. my tires are pretty much gone after the long as burn outs i was doing on monday.
I want etstreets that way i won't have to be carrying tires, jack, chains etc every wednesday this season.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
gotcha
 

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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jmir018:
hopefully i will have found prostars by then along with tires (et streets) from Manny(cvtires.com)
i really hope to get a freaking 12 n/a before my trip to Peru.

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Jersey get the tires i have u know u like them that sucks that i couldn't get good 60th with them but that's just me getting used to them. and i all i could say is that manny is the man best price i found

oh btw i should be at the track that day

[ February 22, 2006, 02:48 AM: Message edited by: losbadgts ]
 

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Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
I hope to be there, but I will be on my bike.

Jersey, you were running on ET Streets. So, do you mean that you want ET Street Drag radials? I know Vince will fight me on this, but I don't think that you will get as good of a 60 ft with the drag radials. However, the car will go much straighter down the track and be more stable. You won't have to worry about lifting if you wiggle the steering wheel a little when you shift. The ride sown the track is much more interesting on the bias ply tires with only 13psi.

Craig
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Originally posted by need-a-cage:
I hope to be there, but I will be on my bike.

Jersey, you were running on ET Streets. So, do you mean that you want ET Street Drag radials? I know Vince will fight me on this, but I don't think that you will get as good of a 60 ft with the drag radials. However, the car will go much straighter down the track and be more stable. You won't have to worry about lifting if you wiggle the steering wheel a little when you shift. The ride sown the track is much more interesting on the bias ply tires with only 13psi.

Craig

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i see.. i guess.. i'll still have my normal street tires to cruise around town, go to cruises, or in case i go around town, which is rarely the case... but will mount the et drag radials at home. and won't have to worry about transporting them to the track.
so, what's the bottom line which ones will give me better traction?

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Originally posted by Jmir018:
i see.. i guess.. i'll still have my normal street tires to cruise around town, go to cruises, or in case i go around town, which is rarely the case... but will mount the et drag radials at home. and won't have to worry about transporting them to the track.
so, what's the bottom line which ones will give me better traction?

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mt street radials are the best drag radials on the market. et streets hook better than the radials but not by much. The radials will be much easier to pilot down the track. The et streets will be easier to launch. The radials are suprisingly good in wet weather. The et streets suck in wet weather. The radials last slightly longer than the et streets and the radials are MUCH more street friendly. How much power you putting down? Craig had a lot of points I agree with. What tires are you trying to compare?

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Originally posted by Jmir018:
i see.. i guess.. i'll still have my normal street tires to cruise around town, go to cruises, or in case i go around town, which is rarely the case... but will mount the et drag radials at home. and won't have to worry about transporting them to the track.
so, what's the bottom line which ones will give me better traction?

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mt street radials are the best drag radials on the market. et streets hook better than the radials but not by much. The radials will be much easier to pilot down the track. The et streets will be easier to launch. The radials are suprisingly good in wet weather. The et streets suck in wet weather. The radials last slightly longer than the et streets and the radials are MUCH more street friendly. How much power you putting down? Craig had a lot of points I agree with. What tires are you trying to compare?

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i'm comparing et streets 26x10.5 and et drag radials. like i mention before wet roads are not an issue. i don't drive the car at all on the street. just to the track and back to my garage.
i don't have that much power.. little under 300rw and about 340rw with nx.

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yeah I was comparing those 2 tires in my previous post. My opinion for you is to go with the radials. You don't want to mix bias plys and radials its best to keep the same type of tire all the way around. Mixing them causes really bad sway up top and under hard acceleration. Also, the bias plys will actually give you less mph! And they will not hook any harder than the radials at your power level. The radials are really awesome tires and can take much more power than you're putting out.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
I have probably ran Bias rear slics or ET streets or Hoosier QTP down the tracK 1000 plus times(easy) and never had a issue with sway because of missmatched tires. The only sway issue comes from thin sidewalls and low air pressure.
 

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Posted by need-a-cage (Member # 5415) on :
 
The sway comes from the steering wheel being moved a little during a hard shift. With big sidewalls and very low air pressure, the car will start to dance quite a bit if you move the steering wheel at all during your shift. A friend of mine kept complaining about his car getting out of shape when he hit 4th. He was running a high 12 in a Chevelle and didn't have power to spin at the far end. I told him to stop jerking the wheel during his shift and he started going straight.

I was running MT ET Street Bias ply 26X10.50-16's on my car. With low pressure, they actually hooked too hard with no blower and 3.55's. Go for the MT Drag Radials. I am considering switching myself, but I know that I will not be as consistent. This is only if it allows me to run over 120mph and stay just above 11.50. It all depends on how much power I get when I can finally get my motor. I am also tired of changing tires at the track. My street tires are Nitto drag radials and they are only marginally better than my old "real" street tires.

You can get just as good of a 60ft on the drag radials, but you have to launch the car a little different. You need to slip the clutch slightly. If you try to shock the hell out of the tires, they will not bite. Launching like this makes it difficult to be consistent and get good reaction times. It will just take a lot of practice. I like to just hold the rpm's at 3000-3500 and just drop the clutch as fast as I can. The big sidewalls of the bias plys absorb it and the car takes off. You may be able to do this at your power level with the radials. Get the tires and let us know! You will also pick up some mph with the radials. Ask Vince how long his lasted. He drove them to the track every week and did big burnouts.

Craig
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
The sway is an air pressure/side wall effect. Radials have stiffer side walls so you will get less sway. Radials also don't like to be aired down like bias plys. For any tire, the larger the sidewall and the lower the air pressure the more sway you will get. But radials have a stiffer side wall so you'll get less sway than bias plys. Sway or no sway, I still think you should go with the radials they are more than adequate for you at your power level.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
HA, the one that started this thread will be busy that day, go figure

Sorry Jersey, we'll still get you dynoed though
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

 

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Posted by stateokunfusion (Member # 5439) on :
 

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Originally posted by need-a-cage:
I hope to be there, but I will be on my bike.

Jersey, you were running on ET Streets. So, do you mean that you want ET Street Drag radials? I know Vince will fight me on this, but I don't think that you will get as good of a 60 ft with the drag radials. However, the car will go much straighter down the track and be more stable. You won't have to worry about lifting if you wiggle the steering wheel a little when you shift. The ride sown the track is much more interesting on the bias ply tires with only 13psi.

Craig

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What type of bike do you have? Mods?
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
I'll be there in the mach
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 

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Originally posted by need-a-cage:
I hope to be there, but I will be on my bike.

Jersey, you were running on ET Streets. So, do you mean that you want ET Street Drag radials? I know Vince will fight me on this, but I don't think that you will get as good of a 60 ft with the drag radials. However, the car will go much straighter down the track and be more stable. You won't have to worry about lifting if you wiggle the steering wheel a little when you shift. The ride sown the track is much more interesting on the bias ply tires with only 13psi.

Craig

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What type of bike do you have? Mods?

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Craig has a Kawasaki Zephyr 750 (90's vintage). He has a Vance & Hines 4-into-1 Megaphone pipe and jetted carbs. He also modified his air box and removed all the smog BS. He's dipped into the 11's on a good day @ 106 mph.

As for the tire discussion, I too want to get a pair of the MT Drag Radials. Vince has pulled off a couple of 1.5's so I know they hook. I run the ET bias plies now on 15" rims and with the weak side wall the car dances a lot especially if you jerk the wheel like Craig was saying. I would like get the radials and mount them on my 17" rims instead of having the ugly 15" black truck rims I have the bias plies mounted on. I will have to get use to not shocking the tires off the line. Thats one thing I like about the flexible side wall of the bias ply tires... it's very forgiving and easy to launch. I can get low to mid 1.7's with about 310 rwhp on my '03 Mach. If I could get the same 60's with the drag radials I will be happy because with radials I should be able to break 110 mph.

If it's not raining (sorry I even mentioned that word) then I'll be there!

Ron.
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
hey what's up Ron,
I didn't know you posted on this site. when do u plan on getting drag radials? i really like the way you can shock the et streets, but last monday was just too unstable for comfort.

I'll be there this wednesday too.
see you there.
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jmir018:
hey what's up Ron,
I didn't know you posted on this site. when do u plan on getting drag radials? i really like the way you can shock the et streets, but last monday was just too unstable for comfort.

I'll be there this wednesday too.
see you there.

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Originally posted by need-a-cage:

Jersey, run the ET Streets again on Wednesday and I'll make a 12 second pass for you!

Craig

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i'll have the et streets on wednesday.. if i can't get it done on either of my first two runs i'll let you teach me
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 

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Originally posted by need-a-cage:

Jersey, run the ET Streets again on Wednesday and I'll make a 12 second pass for you!

Craig

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i'll have the et streets on wednesday.. if i can't get it done on either of my first two runs i'll let you teach me

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Originally posted by need-a-cage:
Ron, with the amount of miles you drive your car, you should just mount the ET Street Drag Radials on your 17's. You don't need to get an extra set of rims because they will never get used.

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Originally posted by need-a-motor:
I think that the 275's would work. Dave was running the 255 16's on his 7" rims. They ballooned out a lot and still hooked really well. However, I am sure that it would not handle around corners that great.

Are the Cobra wheels 9"?

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Originally posted by need-a-motor:
THE DRAGS ARE CANCELED!!

I just called and they have canceled today's races, but they are scheduled to run next week. I will probably not make it since my roof is being done next week and it is getting close to my wife's due date. I will be out on my bike toward the end of April.

Craig

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I can't believe you are concerning yourself with the "roof over your head" before getting a new motor put in the stang! Shame on you.

I don't think you are worthy of this forum. I think you would be better off posting messages on the Home&Garden Network forum

Just have them fix the part of the roof that covers the Stang.

Any names picked out for your son yet? Maybe Stang or Shelby? GT? Pony? LX? Ford? Just go with FORD, that will cover all of them.

Ford Pony Love... It's got a good ring to it.

-Ron

[ March 02, 2006, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Mach1Pony ]
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 
Well, it's 8:00pm and still no rain! We could have been running right now... we got screwed out of another drag night

I hope it's clear next week. Everyone keep their fingers crossed.
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
yeap.. i was on that area and stopped by and they were closed.
no problem, i just called my travel agent and postponed my trip for next thursday(it was originally set for next monday) so i can get one more track day. i can't leave the U.S. without a 12 sec slip.

[ March 02, 2006, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
oh yeah.. no more nitrous for me. today i had my car on the dyno with nitrous and the clutch showed major slippage..

[ March 01, 2006, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jmir018:
yeap.. i was on that area and stopped by and they were closed.
no problem, i just called my travel agent and postponed my trip for next thursday(it was originally set for next monday) so i can get one more track day. i can't leave the us without a 12 sec slip.

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Now that's showing commitment... Postponing a trip so you can go drag racing. Good choice!
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 
Jersey, if you don't get a 12 sec. slip next week you're more than welcome to borrow one of mine. Just kidding.

I know how frustrating it is to be chasing the 12's. I closed out the very last day of the 2004 season with a 13.00. I was so mad because I got so close and then I had to wait until 2005 to try again. A bug hitting my windsheild was probably the cause for not making it into the 12's on that run.

Good luck next week. By the way, your clutch is probably slipping with out the nitrous, it's just not as noticeable. You may want to look into it before next week.

-Ron

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Posted by need-a-motor (Member # 5415) on :
 
Ron, what were you smoking when you thought that Pony Love would be a good name!

As far as spending money on the roof, that is just part of it. 9k for the roof, 5k for my son's birth since our insurance went to crap this year, and 1k my cost for the dental work I need done. This does not include the 4k that I spent on the furniture for my bedroom and for my daughter's bedroom. This was necessary to keep the wife happy so she would let me spend money on the motor. The only problem is that I ran out of money! I can't believe I have to spend all of this money on these things instead of spending it on the Mustang where it should be spent! See what happens when you are married with children.

Jersey, I have some bad news for you. First, I know that it is too early for them to be accurate, but weather.com is showing a 40% chance of rain next Wednesday. Second, if your clutch slipped on the dyno then it is in bad shape. The dyno does not put as much load on the car as 4th gear on the road, and that is a low RPM punch off on the dyno. If it started slipping when the power came on from the Nitrous, it is going to slip bad on a hard launch at the track with sticky tires or when you are banging gears. Are you sure it was slipping? Was it that big guy driving your car on the dyno? If so, he was probably resting his foot on your clutch pedal or didn't have the car strapped down tight enough. If it was bad enough to slip on the dyno you should have felt it long ago on the street and track, unless your rear-main just went out and started leaking oil on it. Do you have enough play in the pedal?

Good luck with the clutch.

Craig
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
Hey Craig, i couldn't postponed my trip so i'll be leaving on Monday.
i don't know who you are referring to. i took my car to RPM in rohnert park. the guy there is not what i would consider big. we dynoed the car 3 or 4 times with nitrous and it would show slippage. I'm sure the foot on clutch was not the case, and they checked the straps too in case that was causing the slippage. we also lowered my tire pressure to make sure the it was not the spinning of the tires that caused the funky graphs.
I was really impressed with the good customer service as they started checking for the reason of my misfortune.

The slippage does not come when you first press the nitrous.. it's fine for a bit and then loses a lot of power and spikes back. only does it with nx.
my rear main seal is not the issue.( guys at rpm also told me to check that) i already checked and nada. i don't drive the car at all at home, so i just get on the freeway from my house to the track and it's the same on the way back straight to my garage.
i drove the car a couple of times and i don't know what to really look for.. it feels like it's slipping now.. but I'm sure it's just in my mind.

i'll keep on driving the car until the clutch is totally gone. and will replace it one more time, if anything else goes wrong with this car i will sell it and get another car. not a ford though. i'm sick of the fox body bs.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Sell it and buy a supra! Oh, and if your clutch is infact slipping then no racing for you. One hard launch will kill a slipping clutch. Yah I realize it only shows up on nitrous but go ahead and try a few street pulls through 4th gear without nos and see what happens. I can easily get 3 more psi on the street than I can on a dyno the loads are very different. On a dynojet all you have to do is overcome the inertia of the roller and its free wheeling after that. Mustang and dynapacks have loading so they can mirror the street better. The new eddy current dynojet also has it but not many shops have that dyno yet. All you can do is baby it and try to prolong the little life it has left. But what fun is that. If someone told me I'd have to baby my car I'd set it up on the lift and fix the sucker. Babying a performace car is no fun. Performance being a relative term...
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Sell it and buy a supra! Oh, and if your clutch is infact slipping then no racing for you. One hard launch will kill a slipping clutch. Yah I realize it only shows up on nitrous but go ahead and try a few street pulls through 4th gear without nos and see what happens. I can easily get 3 more psi on the street than I can on a dyno the loads are very different. On a dynojet all you have to do is overcome the inertia of the roller and its free wheeling after that. Mustang and dynapacks have loading so they can mirror the street better. The new eddy current dynojet also has it but not many shops have that dyno yet. All you can do is baby it and try to prolong the little life it has left. But what fun is that. If someone told me I'd have to baby my car I'd set it up on the lift and fix the sucker. Babying a performace car is no fun. Performance being a relative term...

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i don't want a supra. i want a vette
yeah, i'll change my clutch, but it'll take a while to get the money for what the set up i want.
 

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Posted by need-a-motor (Member # 5415) on :
 
What Fox body BS. I think that you just keep buying the wrong Fox Bodies!

Anyway, just get to about 3.5-4k in 2nd gear, push in the clutch and rev it near redline, floor it and drop the clutch at the same time. If it spins the tires right away then it didn't slip, unless you have really crappy tires on the car that don't hook up at all. If it slips you will know it. You can do this in 3rd too if your tires spin easily, but it is pretty hard on it because the tires will not spin. The RPM should just immediately drop back down to whatever you were at before you pushed the clutch in. You will hear it if the clutch slips. The RPM will hang up and take a while to come back down.

It sounds like RPM is doing much better now. I'll talk to Don and get something set up over there for my car when I get the motor done.

Good luck,
Craig
 

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Posted by need-a-motor (Member # 5415) on :
 
What Fox body BS. I think that you just keep buying the wrong Fox Bodies!

Anyway, just get to about 3.5-4k in 2nd gear, push in the clutch and rev it near redline, floor it and drop the clutch at the same time. If it spins the tires right away then it didn't slip, unless you have really crappy tires on the car that don't hook up at all. If it slips you will know it. You can do this in 3rd too if your tires spin easily, but it is pretty hard on it because the tires will not spin. The RPM should just immediately drop back down to whatever you were at before you pushed the clutch in. You will hear it if the clutch slips. The RPM will hang up and take a while to come back down.

It sounds like RPM is doing much better now. I'll talk to Don and get something set up over there for my car when I get the motor done.

Good luck,
Craig
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Originally posted by need-a-motor:
What Fox body BS. I think that you just keep buying the wrong Fox Bodies!
Good luck,
Craig

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Don't think i keep on buying the wrong foxes at all. there was nothing wrong with the vert. i traded it because it was a vert and just didn't feel safe driving that car anymore in case i'd flip or something because of the added power and it was too heavy for the track.
Nothing wrong with this car either. I'm just tired of having to always be working on this car.
in addition to that... seems that everyone that owns a fox body is always fixing something or in the process of fixing something about their car. the whole elusive idea of a perfectly working fox body seems to be unattainable.
Fox bodies in general always seem to need work on one area or another. what i mean is as soon as you fix something there is always something else that might need attention. i guess it's expected. after all, they are over a decade old.
I guess i'm just mad. i miss the cobra. nothing ever was wrong with that car, just lack of traction and you can't really complain about that.

[ March 03, 2006, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]
 

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Posted by need-a-motor (Member # 5415) on :
 
Well, I have raced the hell out of my car for 10 years and had a season pass every year. I only had to get towed home once. Vince has been towed 3 or 4 times with his Cobra in the last 3 years. It all depends on how fast you want to go. I had 0 problems until I put the blower on. Then I blew head gaskets until I got my tune right. I raced it for five years before that happened. After that, everything was great for another 3 years until I stripped my spider gears in the rearend on a hard launch. I think that if I would have replaced the clutch pack in the rearend sooner that would not have happened. Fifty bucks later for a clutch pack and Vince's donor carrier to get the spiders out of and I was back out there. My issue now is just too many passes with boost on a stock shortblock. The rings are just completely worn out. The car will still run 11.80, but it is spitting oil out of the breathers and I think that the the rear main is also failing because of the extreme crank case pressure and is getting oil on my clutch.

Anyway, you can get a new body style really cheap now. The good thing about them is that they have 4whl disc brakes and 17" wheels. Just stay away from the anemic 4.6L's from 96-98.

If you buy a Vette we will not talk to you anymore!!

Have a good trip,
Craig
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
i see what you are saying. seems you got your car brand new. i totally understand why it's still in mint condition . you are missing the point though, but it's ok. i'm droping the issue.
glad to hear your car has never given you other issues.
i have 4 wheels discs now so that's not valid enough reason for me to get a 4.6s i like 5.0s i'm just not looking forward to changing my clutch yet again. i can get it done in less than 1.5 hours with a friend, but that's not the point.
 

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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
Jersey i will still talked to u if u get a c6 z06
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 

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Jersey i will still talked to u if u get a c6 z06

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ofcourse you would

[ March 03, 2006, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
If you can afford one of those you must be doing something right. Hell I sure can't. They are bad ass cars for sure with a great platform to build on. Once they perfect the hp modifications no street car will stand a chance against them. Just too much car. So I'll race you asap right after you get it and before you do any mods. hahahhahaa. But seriously if you do get one props to you its one car that I'd love to have but I can't swing it right now.
 

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Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
i can't "swing it" either.. so relax.
 

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Posted by Mach1Pony (Member # 5435) on :
 
Jersey, when you drive cars like we do, you have to expect something to break every now and then. Besides, tinkering around with your car and replacing broken stuff with something bigger and better is part of the fun!

Anyway, I support any enthusiast who owns Detroit iron. But if you buy one of those foreign "Tuner Cars"... that would be a shame. No matter how fast the "Tuner Cars" are, I wouldn't be caught dead in one (unless it came out of Detroit).

I'm drooling over the new Dodge Challenger which is supposed to be comming out. I've always wanted to own a Hemi Cuda' or Challenger. I'll wait until they come out with an SRT8 model. (I'm just dreaming)

Have a good trip!

[ March 04, 2006, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: Mach1Pony ]
 

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Posted by need-a-motor (Member # 5415) on :
 
I was just kidding. You know that we are not like that. We still talk to D-ray and he has one of those "Tuner" cars now. You should get the Vette though, and then give me a ride in it. Didn't that Z06 at the track last month break something?
 

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