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Posted by Blue Oval (Member # 2548) on
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whos goin the grugde night on 10/25?i might go out...
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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Last one of the year, should be a good turn out
Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on
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I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
Posted by Blue Oval (Member # 2548) on
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cool,maybee all see if i can get into the 13s LOL
Posted by Blue Oval (Member # 2548) on
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oops
[ October 20, 2003, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Blue Oval ]
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
Cool maybe I will be there to see it this time, last time I had to take off before you guys ran it!
Posted by 91PONY (Member # 206) on
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I'll be there....car will be fresh off the dyno.
Posted by mike g (Member # 2919) on
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i'll be there
Posted by HungryHippo (Member # 537) on
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i'll be spectating
Posted by 2fstfru (Member # 453) on
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What time does the track open?
Posted by 91PONY (Member # 206) on
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Grudge is from 5-10pm
Posted by BOTTLED.LX (Member # 3267) on
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i'll be there to watch
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on
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Originally posted by 91PONY:
I'll be there....car will be fresh off the dyno.
SWEET!
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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I'll be there.
Rhett, Mark, Jim, where you guys at?
Posted by bunchmyfunky (Member # 360) on
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Not sure yet
Posted by i'm retarded (Member # 1793) on
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hopefully we will see some 10.50's or better out of the coupe.
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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I will be there. Hopefully in the 11's if parts come in. And if I'm not to lazy to put them in.
Posted by 89Drop5 (Member # 3575) on
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I'll hopefully be there as long as I can get a trailer to get my car there.
Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
ill be there serving up the teal coupe...
Posted by Hrly01Stng (Member # 2843) on
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Yea ill be there.. Anyone here want to nice and help out a rookie... Much appreciated..
Posted by 99gt-UJSTLST (Member # 584) on
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
ill be there serving up the teal coupe...
ill be their video tapeing whooo
Posted by 91PONY (Member # 206) on
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Originally posted by bunchmyfunky:
Not sure yet
At least come to watch!
Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
ill be there serving up the teal coupe...
Are you actually going to run your car this Sat? You just may serve up the coupe if an axle goes BOOM BITCH!
Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on
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ill be there, watching still
Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
ill be there serving up the teal coupe...
Are you actually going to run your car this Sat? You just may serve up the coupe if an axle goes BOOM BITCH!
Posted by Blue Oval (Member # 2548) on
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sounds like theirs gonna be some fun
Posted by Black88GT (Member # 394) on
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I planned on going, But Im ripping down my garage this Sat. My bud says it will take a few hours, so I might make it to spectate. My cars running a little lean also, so I really dont want any problems Well see, I could always run My 91
[ October 22, 2003, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Black88GT ]
Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
ill be there serving up the teal coupe...
Are you actually going to run your car this Sat? You just may serve up the coupe if an axle goes BOOM BITCH!
Does that mean that you are or are not going to bring your new 1993 Cobra to race?
Posted by aslowdodge (Member # 854) on
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I'll be there to watch everyone break eerr I mean have fun.
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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Originally posted by aslowdodge:
I'll be there to watch everyone break eerr I mean have fun.
I won't break
Posted by mostang (Member # 3352) on
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I want to go, but have to work that night. So I'd have to be back in the Bay area at 10. Do most of the slower cars run early and the quick ones run closer to 10.
I could probably stay till around 8.
How many runs could I get in, in three hours??
Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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Originally posted by Jeff S:
I'll be there racing my buddies teal coupe!
ill be there serving up the teal coupe...
Are you actually going to run your car this Sat? You just may serve up the coupe if an axle goes BOOM BITCH!
Does that mean that you are or are not going to bring your new 1993 Cobra to race?
ill bring it for sure, but not sure if im going to race it...the car feals slow as fuck, so not even sure if its worth running it...
Posted by 91PONY (Member # 206) on
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Originally posted by mostang:
I want to go, but have to work that night. So I'd have to be back in the Bay area at 10. Do most of the slower cars run early and the quick ones run closer to 10.
I could probably stay till around 8.
How many runs could I get in, in three hours??
Grudge is usually pretty packed. Plan on getting 2 or 3 runs.
Posted by KCmustangboy (Member # 1927) on
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I am going to try and make it out there, I still don't have a tranny but if I get one today or tomarrow I will break it in tomarrow night lol most likely I will catch a ride out there and just watch some good races. see you all there.
Posted by TonkaTruck94 (Member # 868) on
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ill be out there tomarow taking my soccer team with me to lol
Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on
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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
I'll be there.
Rhett, Mark, Jim, where you guys at?
I can make it to this one. Ive driven my mustang two or three times in nearly four monthes so im not expecting much. See you guys there.
Posted by Eddie510 (Member # 2354) on
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ok,do you know the addres to this?I need to get directions off of yahoo. i would appreciate it, thanks,eddie
Posted by Hrly01Stng (Member # 2843) on
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5305 excelsior road, sacramento 95827.. web page
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Originally posted by Eddie510:
ok,do you know the addres to this?I need to get directions off of yahoo. i would appreciate it, thanks,eddie
www.sacramentoracway.com
[ October 25, 2003, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: Yellow94GT ]
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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So what did everyone run? Was the track packed?
Posted by F8LPONY (Member # 11) on
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Dude, Jermaine said she has never seen this many cars on a grudge night. neither have I.
By 7pm or later they still had people trying to tech. The were trying to make everyone stay in the pits till they called your cars # before you came to the staging lanes. It was total chaos. They estimate almost 300 cars or more. Some people I talked to said they sat in line outside the gates for over an hour to get in.
But once the sun went down and the DA dropped I got a new best for the C5 so I was happy.
60': 1.91
ET: 12.54
MPH: 110.98
No new mods, just better air and 60'.
Posted by jr5.0 (Member # 399) on
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it was great turnout i dont think i have ever seen that many cars. who else went? my step-father and his friend raced.
[ October 26, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: jr5.0 ]
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on
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I've gone to a few of the last grudge nights of the year...and I have to say its usually 95% 12-18 second mustangs, hondas, camaros, etc. with about 5% 7-11 cars. Did history repeat itself?
[ October 26, 2003, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Team SOLO ]
Posted by ON N2O (Member # 2067) on
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Originally posted by Team SOLO:
I've gone to a few of the last grudge nights of the year...and I have to say its usually 95% 12-18 second mustangs, hondas, camaros, etc. with about 5% 7-11 cars. Did history repeat itself?
yup
matts car looked good going down the track shooting out sparks everywhere
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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I waited 2 hours at the gates. Ran twice the whole night. Got into an argument with some of the track officials about the fact I had to wait to run again, yet watched several other cars run 4-5 times. Definately the last grudge night I'll be going to. Oh, my time was still a 12.4 but I did get a 1.7 60 foot.
[ October 26, 2003, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Fast472Mach1 ]
Posted by eljefe (Member # 1753) on
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we HAD to stop selling tech cards at 350 cars. we could have sold atleast 15 more
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on
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I got there at 5, got thru the gates and 5:35, had 6 good runs.
1.684 60ft
7.74 at 89.29
12.15 at 111.68
1.698 60ft
7.73 at 89.92
12.12 at 112.74
Posted by yellow67stang (Member # 903) on
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It was a big waste of time! For non street cars anyway. Managment needs to hire more than one tech person or not tech at all! Waiting for an hour for a women ONLY to ask how fast the car is and say, "ok thanks" is bullshit! It was very pointless and dangerous on there behalf. Oh well
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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We had a guy on a skateboard come by. He did'nt look inside nor open the hoods of any cars around me. He asked how fast I went. I said 12's and he asked if I had a helmet. Did'nt even look at the helmet. Somebody couldve been puking coolant or oil all over the place and they would've never noticed. If they can't deal with that many cars then they should hire more people or stop letting them in. They made plenty of money last night at the expense of a lot of us getting 2 runs in.
Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on
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Im reall happy i got to pay $17.50 for two runs and about 30 dollars in gas and 3 hours of sitting around waiting.... ......
[ October 26, 2003, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
Posted by yellow67stang (Member # 903) on
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yeah, Sac is pretty much bullshit when it comes to logistics! I wonder what NHRA would think of there operation?
Posted by Hrly01Stng (Member # 2843) on
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That was BS... 35bucks for 3 runs... They should have been more organized.. they knew it was the last grudge of this year.. of course it was going to be packed... Dang..
Posted by 5LVENOM (Member # 2282) on
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Well sucks for you guys on the waiting and tech situation, this is the 1 time I was glad my ride was down, lots of cars, more then I've ever seen on a grudge nite. They did have their heads in their asses last nite for sure. I think they were a little overwhelmed by how many cars there were.
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Sounds like most of you saw the lines before you even got through the gates and still went with it.
The last grudge of the year is ALWAYS packed. Don't wait until the very last one next year and you wont have any problems. On any previous grudge night of the season there had to have been only about 100 cars. Moral of the story, don't procrastinate on getting to the track and then bitch about it when its packed.
I mean come on, you saved $5 over just going to a TNT and making as many passes as you can manage to hot lap?
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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and one more thing, last night went very slooth. There was absolutely no down time as far as the lanes being pulled. You all should feel fortunate that there wasn't any major problems until late in the night. One oil down and you would have been getting even fewer passes in. Guess the tech people didn't do too bad of a job.
Posted by yellow67stang (Member # 903) on
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I think you mean tech person. And they have nothing to do with people oiling down the track.But, your right everybody is fortunate that nobody broke anything big on the track. That is just luck
I went to a couple other Grudge's and it was the same thing minus maybe 50-100 cars. Its the same stuff at that track. They are WAY understaffed. They won't spend they money because they do not have to.
Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on
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Lol procastinating getting to the track? i was there before the gates open
Posted by F8LPONY (Member # 11) on
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I am inclined to agree with Drew. I see way to many people bitching yet like he said, you saw the line. You should have known it was gonna be a rough night or are you guys that new to the track racing scene to have foreseen that????
I think things went fairly smooth and if you had been paying attention and got there early as I did you could have got in at least 4 runs, which I agree is crap for a gurdge night, but hey, it ain't always roses.
Not sure exactly why tech was so lax last night because generally they are on the ball with some night being lax. Hell they wouldnt even let me run 11s because I was missing a 5-point harness even though I had a cage & fire jacket.
I talked to some of the employeees that i know decently well and the genral feeling was one of being overwhelmed and trying to make due and let everyone get a chance to race. We even had a few people form our car club out there helping out at the water box.
All in all it wasn't my best night of grudge but I still give the crew a thumbs up for trying. I won't tell ya not to bitch though, all the weenies saying they will never come back just means I will get even more runs in on another night right Drew?
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on
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Originally posted by F8LPONY:
I won't tell ya not to bitch though, all the weenies saying they will never come back just means I will get even more runs in on another night right Drew?
Yup! My sentiments exactly. Go race at the other track in the area. Me and the speed junkies will have the traction to ourselves...
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on
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I must say that I didn't go for the exact things explained in this thread. A bunch of cars of which only a handful of those worth looking at...and a whole lot of lag time waiting to run. Was much more fun being pissed off that the Yankees didn't win
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on
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One thing that Drew and F8Lpony didn't mention is, why are you waiting for the last Grudge night of the year for your once a year track apperance, I know that there has been tons of TnT's that they have closed early cause there wasn't enough people. Shit one of the nights I ran my truck with no tech and I know a few other guys ran there freaking Sedans down the track. Try going other times then the last Grudge of the year, or know better like solo and watch the poopy yanks loose!!!!!!!
[ October 26, 2003, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: 98slowhoe ]
Posted by aslowdodge (Member # 854) on
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Every test and tune I have been to has been 4 passes in 5 hours. I stopped going because of that
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on
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well TnTs can be pretty bad if there is an event going on the next day, but if there is nothing going on the next day(saturday) a lot of times its slow.
Posted by 88gt (Member # 579) on
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Why is it that most people here always bitch about tech being "gay" and nabbing them for not being track legal, and all of a sudden on busy nights they want them to check everything closely for their own safety?
Congrats to all the guys with good runs!
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on
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Originally posted by 88gt:
Why is it that most people here always bitch about tech being "gay" and nabbing them for not being track legal, and all of a sudden on busy nights they want them to check everything closely for their own safety?
Congrats to all the guys with good runs!
well said
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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Just to summaraize this whole thing, I go to the track quite often to tune my car, not just on Grudge Night. As a matter of fact I was there the night before also and sent my electric fans through the radiator. Everytime I have went, I waited an 1 1/2 minimum between runs. I HAVE been there when you could run almost as much as you wanted, but only about two times. As for last night, some of you are posting referring to people bitching when you yourselves were part of the problem. We were supposed to wait on our numbers to be called and those of us playing by the rules got fucked while others just screwed us by going in anyways somehow.
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Lol procastinating getting to the track? i was there before the gates open
98slowhoe did a better job of sating the point I was trying to get at.
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on
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Sac tech on grudges is weak. I didn't race there the last grudge or in a while for that matter but the last one I went to in my 69 "was is that your car?" "do you have a helmet"? no under hood not even a how fast is it. Put a number on it and go. 10.10 at over 130 mph LOL. they didn't even look if I had seat belts. But in Sac's defence I have seen other tracks like this also on there regular races. As far as not getting your runs it happens. Unless you don't want to race in Sac anymore what are you going to do?
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Originally posted by F8LPONY:
all the weenies saying they will never come back just means I will get even more runs in on another night right Drew?
lol, you got it bro
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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Once again, the problem was'nt the amount of runs. It was the fact that we all did'nt get to run as many times as we should've because of several people not waiting like I did. Like they told us too. So for those of you that did that, thanks for burning the rest of us.
Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on
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Originally posted by Fast472Mach1:
Once again, the problem was'nt the amount of runs. It was the fact that we all did'nt get to run as many times as we should've because of several people not waiting like I did. Like they told us too. So for those of you that did that, thanks for burning the rest of us.
exactly my point as well.... i just wanted everyone to have a even amount of runs ... i even heard some guy got seven runs...wtf is that? and i only got two.... i did know i wouldnt get that many runs as a normal night but i didnt expect others to "cheat" persay and go back around over and over when they should've waited... basically they took the runs that me and others who did WAIT would have had...
...and another thing if the track was more organized this probably wouldnt have happened...im not sure what they could have done but im sure there is something...i doubt if its possible to keep track of all the cars # of runs but im sure there is something...
[ October 27, 2003, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
Posted by RO2USH (Member # 2002) on
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Man, like someone said, ya bitch about the tech being too strict on other nights, then on the night that we breeze people by it's all of the sudden too fast. For you guys that didn't get as many runs in as you would have liked, I apologize, I was doing the best I could, with that many people. If you are pissed about the number of runs you got, dont get mad at us, get mad at the people that cheated and came back around for another run before we called their number, they are the ones to get pissed at. I should be the one that's pissed, I didn't get to make a single pass...I wasn't even supposed to work that night, but 'cause so many of you guys/gals showed up, I had to work. NOW THAT'S BULL SHIT!!!! just kidding, I'm glad everybody showed up, I just wish some of you had a better time.
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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I saw you at the staging lanes. Its the 2 people in the back that were "checking" every car that went by that had me confused as to why the wrong numbers were going around over and over again.
Posted by kwikrob (Member # 835) on
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And what is the point of going round and round again?I see most people on here don't do shit to there car and just go get back in line. Then they pop their fuckin hoods and throw there bag of ice on there intake in the staging lanes and make it impossible for others to get around. If your car runs a certain number every time, why still run it? Play with the timing, fuel, shift points, tire pressure, launching rpm. Too many dipshits out there. And when your car has a 6 on it, stay out of lane 2!
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on
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Originally posted by RO2USH:
I should be the one that's pissed, I didn't get to make a single pass...I wasn't even supposed to work that night, but 'cause so many of you guys/gals showed up, I had to work. NOW THAT'S BULL SHIT!!!!
Shit thats messed up!!!!
Posted by 1320MASTER (Member # 773) on
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Nice numbers Jim looks like your back in the swing agian.
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Originally posted by 1320MASTER:
Nice numbers Jim looks like your back in the swing agian.
Thats for sure!
Posted by Red C5 (Member # 1561) on
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Originally posted by RO2USH:
Man, like someone said, ya bitch about the tech being too strict on other nights, then on the night that we breeze people by it's all of the sudden too fast. For you guys that didn't get as many runs in as you would have liked, I apologize, I was doing the best I could, with that many people. If you are pissed about the number of runs you got, dont get mad at us, get mad at the people that cheated and came back around for another run before we called their number, they are the ones to get pissed at. I should be the one that's pissed, I didn't get to make a single pass...I wasn't even supposed to work that night, but 'cause so many of you guys/gals showed up, I had to work. NOW THAT'S BULL SHIT!!!! just kidding, I'm glad everybody showed up, I just wish some of you had a better time.
The only thing I was pissed about was the people that were going around over and over.
I'm not mad that I only made a couple of passes.
I'm not mad that it was "GRUDGE" night, but I didn't get to grudge anyone.
I don't think anyone expected that huge of a turnout. I think everyone that works there did the best they could.
for the Sac Raceway employees. It was a messed up night.
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Originally posted by Red C5:
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Originally posted by RO2USH:
Man, like someone said, ya bitch about the tech being too strict on other nights, then on the night that we breeze people by it's all of the sudden too fast. For you guys that didn't get as many runs in as you would have liked, I apologize, I was doing the best I could, with that many people. If you are pissed about the number of runs you got, dont get mad at us, get mad at the people that cheated and came back around for another run before we called their number, they are the ones to get pissed at. I should be the one that's pissed, I didn't get to make a single pass...I wasn't even supposed to work that night, but 'cause so many of you guys/gals showed up, I had to work. NOW THAT'S BULL SHIT!!!! just kidding, I'm glad everybody showed up, I just wish some of you had a better time.
The only thing I was pissed about was the people that were going around over and over.
I don't think anyone expected that huge of a turnout. I think everyone that works there did the best they could.
for the Sac Raceway employees. It was a messed up night.
For once, I'm with this guy
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on
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Originally posted by 1320MASTER:
Nice numbers Jim looks like your back in the swing agian.
Thanks, stranger.
When will we see a hot rod of your own at the track? I know you want back in the game...
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on
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Originally posted by RO2USH:
Man, like someone said, ya bitch about the tech being too strict on other nights, then on the night that we breeze people by it's all of the sudden too fast. For you guys that didn't get as many runs in as you would have liked, I apologize, I was doing the best I could, with that many people. If you are pissed about the number of runs you got, dont get mad at us, get mad at the people that cheated and came back around for another run before we called their number, they are the ones to get pissed at. I should be the one that's pissed, I didn't get to make a single pass...I wasn't even supposed to work that night, but 'cause so many of you guys/gals showed up, I had to work. NOW THAT'S BULL SHIT!!!! just kidding, I'm glad everybody showed up, I just wish some of you had a better time.
The only thing I was pissed about was the people that were going around over and over.
I don't think anyone expected that huge of a turnout. I think everyone that works there did the best they could.
for the Sac Raceway employees. It was a messed up night.
For once, I'm with this guy
HA HA
Posted by 91PONY (Member # 206) on
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And everyone was wondering why I wasn't racing... LOL
I knew it would be crowded, so I knew ahead of time that I probably wouldn't race. No big deal to me....I'll stick with TNT like usual.
Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on
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Hey Jim, nice runs!
Posted by Eddie510 (Member # 2354) on
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whos was that darkred mustang?that was really loud and preety fast. did ya guys see that buggy hitting wheELIES! Bill beau was out there in his darkblue camaro, like 70ish,and another maro hitting 9's! what about that black chevy truck on dubs?that was gettin through the track for a heavy truck!
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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Originally posted by Eddie510:
whos was that darkred mustang?that was really loud and preety fast. did ya guys see that buggy hitting wheELIES! Bill beau was out there in his darkblue camaro, like 70ish,and another maro hitting 9's! what about that black chevy truck on dubs?that was gettin through the track for a heavy truck!
The truck was on a bottle and which Mustang are you talking about?
Posted by Eddie510 (Member # 2354) on
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i think it had like black wheels in the back, it was whitsling! and i think i seen you to,you had some primer spots huh?I forgot your times but ill see it on video again that i recorded. Some one was talking about you alot in the benches where i was sitting. but yeah nice run. i believe you hit like a low 12??? did you ever get that high 11 man?
Posted by Fast472Mach1 (Member # 2559) on
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No. I did'nt get my 11. I had to put the stock convertor back in the car to make my runs. I would like to see the footage whenever you get around to it though please. Just wanna start collecting some of my runs. Next time I'll get my 11 hopefully. Otherwise no bottle is going on.
Posted by 1320MASTER (Member # 773) on
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You know,I have been drag racing for twenty two years know.I have seen it all.I like building fast cars also.Iam starting a new project i got Jons black coupe,thinking about a 408ci/novi 2000/C4 or a glide at 2600lbs sound good? Jim i like to see you run 11s? Before 93pony
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on
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Nice times jim
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on
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Thanks, guys.
So, 8's or big boost for the 7's?
Posted by HaulnAssMaro (Member # 541) on
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saturday was kewl.........whenever I wanted to go I did ............Its nice when your making license passes you get to go whenever you want
I finally finished all my license passes and got the best pass yet being a 9.50 in the car....thanx to all who helped
[ October 29, 2003, 02:45 AM: Message edited by: HaulnAssMaro ]
Posted by yellow67stang (Member # 903) on
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Congrats Matt!!!
Keep on getting faster!
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