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Posted by Jim Demmitt Jr. (Member # 2440) on :
 
Sac Test & tune.
My Silver Super Coupe 3.8 V6 hits 11.959et with top speed of 113.047mph with a 1.630 60ft time

Made two runs in the 11's than track offical told us dont come back without a roll bar so this Sat getting one in than back to Friday night cool evening runs looking to go 11.50's

We finally got into the 11's

[ April 01, 2003, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: Jim Demmitt Jr. ]
 

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Posted by klonoa (Member # 1771) on :
 
Hell yeah, good to see a fellow 3.8 hitting 11's, especially with tht boat of yours Congrats man!
 

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Posted by 99stangv6 (Member # 1081) on :
 
fuck yea. good job man good job. i tell all my v8 frineds 6ers got some poetential. what do you got done and stuff. im getting a motor done with summer and i kinda want a bullet proff block kinda thing. thanks
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Impressive, now i'm going to go out and toss my v8 in the garbage and rush to the nearest ford dealer and buy a v6

Potential? A Geo Metro has "potential"

Seriously though, congrats.
 

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Posted by treynor (Member # 1854) on :
 
Congrats Jim - that's really quick! Time to update your .sig
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Congrats on the new best
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Excellent! Good to see that you got that second 11 to back up the first. We will hhave to line up next time.
 

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Posted by rob (Member # 50) on :
 
this is where it gets messed up , tho...

i mean, the cage adds 100, maybe 200 lbs?
gonna remove weight elsewhere or bump up the HP to get back into the 11s after the install?
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
Congrads on getting into the 11's. What are your plans for knocking off that next half second to get down to 11.50s?
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
pulley swap?
 

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Posted by rob (Member # 50) on :
 
pulley swap sounds so simple
if it were a v8, no problem, but this is a v6 we're talking here...can they handle more power than what he's pushing now?

i have no idea, but i would think it's already pretty maxed out where it is.

i do seem to remember that the car weighs in pretty heavy. probably not going to be hard to find stuff to take out to get back to the present weight...

if it were only a rollbar, tho.

rollbar, padding, 5 pt harness, sfi jacket and gloves, sfi balancer, flywheel, clutch, bellhousing, schrapnel jacket for autos, prolly already have the driveshaft loop...arm restraints? window netting? not sure on those...

it costs a lot to go fast @ the track.


or should i say,
 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
no lets see what it does with some exhaust.
 

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Posted by Jim Demmitt Jr. (Member # 2440) on :
 
Thanks Guys
I appreciate this very much we are going to have the roll bar built out of 4130 Chrome Molly light weight.we have a lot more power in her to get to 11.40's 1.632 60ft time is great shes hooking up good now

We hope to have it in this next week and get back to Friday Night Test & Tune.you guys are a great group of people thank so much
 

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Posted by 98 SS ON NOS (Member # 2296) on :
 
so how much has the motor cost you to run that fast?
 

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Posted by GR40Coupe (Member # 698) on :
 
thats some fat times for a 6 banger.
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 

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Originally posted by rob:
this is where it gets messed up , tho...

i mean, the cage adds 100, maybe 200 lbs?
gonna remove weight elsewhere or bump up the HP to get back into the 11s after the install?

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Originally posted by mustanggt5091:

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Originally posted by rob:
this is where it gets messed up , tho...

i mean, the cage adds 100, maybe 200 lbs?
gonna remove weight elsewhere or bump up the HP to get back into the 11s after the install?

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DAMN! What kinda cage you thinkin about! LEAD! Try like 50+ pounds depending on how many points and material!

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I though he was just talking about a 14 point cage
 

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Posted by rob (Member # 50) on :
 
so i haven't hefted a rollcage since my 1/4 midget days...

regardless, my point was how can you make the car heavier and still expect to go faster. he did answer the question with MORE POWER.

good enuff.

btw, great times!
 

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Posted by Fast477Mach1 (Member # 2559) on :
 
I saw that car on saturday right. That was tight. As for the question of exhaust, it doesnt have any by the sound of it
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fast477Mach1:
As for the question of exhaust, it doesnt have any by the sound of it

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That was the point
 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
his blower has a cog belt
 

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Posted by J's 4AXLR8N (Member # 2011) on :
 
CHRIS M.- hey bro, do you have a 408 motor in ur mustang? and did u ever drive it while primered?


 

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Posted by 98 SS ON NOS (Member # 2296) on :
 
cost on this motor???

im just tryin to see how much people ended up spending on a 6 to make it fast

is this the car that has no exhaust at all loud as hell and people have to plug there ears cause it sounds really umm. how do i say this nicely. umm different thats it

[ April 03, 2003, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: 98 SS ON NOS ]
 

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Posted by Jim Demmitt Jr. (Member # 2440) on :
 
"98 SS ON NOS"
It cost a lot there is a lot of time building this powerful V6 many hours porting flowing so much time invalved

Its making a lot of power one run was 113mph we still got a lot left in her looking to go 11.50's when we go to Friday Nights test & tune
 

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Posted by Blown Mystic (Member # 476) on :
 
thats fuggin quick. ill sell you and extra two cylinders and get you into the 9's. ineterested?
 

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Posted by rob (Member # 50) on :
 
hardcore, man!

so this is a drag-only car, or do you drive it on the street without exhaust too?
 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:

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Originally posted by Fast477Mach1:
As for the question of exhaust, it doesnt have any by the sound of it

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That was the point

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yeah i was basically saying, 'put exhaust on it and see how it runs'

J's 4AXLR8N, that is exactly the size motor i have and it's been primered for the last two or three years and will stay that way for quite a few more, why do you ask?

rob, it has plates but the last registration sticker was from like 2001.
 

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Posted by J's 4AXLR8N (Member # 2011) on :
 
CHRIS M- hey bro, i have raced you, fuck ur quick. It was last year around this time I think. You came up to me from King rd onto Tully rd in S.J. The car looked like shit so i thought u were just a slow 289, but then u took me hard and at the light u said it was a 302 and then we raced again and u said it was really a 408. We exchanged numbers in the end. Damn I cant believe that was u. I have white 96 Cobra with a air scoop located in the front right bottom of the car, im the only car with that on it.


 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
I don't think that was me. I wouldn't have said it's a 302. This time last year my motor was laying in my garage in pieces.
 

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Posted by J's 4AXLR8N (Member # 2011) on :
 
Then there must be another guy w/a primered looking old school stang with a 408 running around on the streets. When did u drop ur motor in? Have u ever came out to S.J to race?


 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
i put my motor in november 2001, it ran for an hour because coast high performance gave me incorrect dist gear info. I pulled it out, tore it apart rebuilt it and had it running again around feb for 2 hours, the computer took a shit.
Bought new headers, had the computer fixed, and got it running again in may.
Blew up the rear end first night out, took it to a shop to be mini tubbed and got it back in july.
superchager took a shit in september, rebuilt the motor, ported the heads and finally got it running again last month.

I'm sure it wasn't me because I don't race at stoplights, i just started going down to san jose again in the last month or so (i used to go down there in 2000). I also wouldn't have tried to race a 96-98 cobra.
 

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Posted by J's 4AXLR8N (Member # 2011) on :
 
Well u've answered my question then, my bad, I thought u were that person. Well either way u car sounds like it has alot of balls, good job. Maybe i'll race u for fun when i get my motor built in June or July. I might have some heat for u then. hahaha. either way my bad. U ever gonna come down to San Jose anytime in the next few weeks, might want to see ur car in action.


 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
i was down there two sat nights ago, last fri night and last sat night.

Soon it'll be tuned and then i'll be able to race it.
 

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Posted by J's 4AXLR8N (Member # 2011) on :
 
Dont mean to get nossy but what do u think ur running 1/4mile time and HP with that 408? Have a friend thats debating about getting a 408 or 347.


 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
351 block is WAY stronger than a 302 block. The weight isn't much of a penalty and the wider block makes valve cover removal much much easier. and the dist to fuel rail clearence is better also.

I'm planning on running in the 10s on 91 octane. It's nothing crazy, just a fun car to cruise around with. I chose the 408 mainly because of the huge amounts of bottom end torque that the 4" stroke gives you. It makes the car so much fun to drive.
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
I bet the primer paint job, that horrid dash, and the black smoke make it great fun probably huh?
 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
i don't need my a/f gauge anymore, time to find something to take it's place... how about intake air temp?
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 
How 'bout a "REAL" o2 sensor? Doesn't your DFI datalog the air intake temp?

[ April 08, 2003, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: Jeff S ]
 

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Posted by Blown Mystic (Member # 476) on :
 
get your own thread, bastards
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 

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Originally posted by Chris M.:
351 block is WAY stronger than a 302 block. The weight isn't much of a penalty

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actually I disagree on both points.

a simple latemodel EFI 302 will handle 500 rwhp.

a latemodel hyd-roller 351 will handle 600 rwhp.

the early '69 era castings about another 100 rwhp, the "sportsman" 351 block they sell is the same thing basically.

The 351w weighs about 80#'s more than the 302, and exactly where you don't want the weight.

Don't get me wrong--- I want to swap to a 351 as well, but it's not WAAAY stronger, and it is MUCH heavier.

don't tell me a aluminum headed battery-relocated 351w weighs about the same upfront as a iron-headed stock battery location 302.

Compare to an aluminum headed, battery-relocated 302
 

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Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
that's like saying "don't buy a blower because it weighs 50lbs, and definitly don't buy an intercooler because that's another 30-40, right where you don't want it"

the BLOCK isn't the big issue, it's the pinter ass 7/16 head bolts that the 302 uses which i hate. you can torque 1/2 studs so much more. it comes in handy when you have a lot of cyl preassure.

in the end 80bls is easily made up by 50+ extra cubic inches and yes the block is stronger. the end.

Blown Mystic, this thread was done a long time ago.

Jeff, i'm not spending $900 for an o2 sensor.
The dfi computer also logs rpm... should i get rid of my tach?
 

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Posted by Procharged2Kv6 (Member # 1563) on :
 
First of Jim, i just wanna say Congrats.. when i saw the post Silver SC.. i was like, "whoa, thats like my car.." but wait.. 11sec.. it can't be me.. wow! i'm so jealous.. how did u do it?? i have a procharger and i'm running around 295rwhp ... that's pretty much it.. is your car smog legal..? where did u get it tuned, i have a 2000 V6 and i have no place to get it tuned to really upgrade my car... right now, i'm expecting like mid 13s.. but 11s.. that is CRRAZY!?!?! how did u do it.. you gotta tell me u're recipe.. what's ur setup up.. sorry if im all over this thread but a V6 hitting 11s.. now that's heaven.. and its a CA car..

-where did u get ur car tuned? can they tune my car?
-what's your setup?
-and how does your block stand all that power, you must have forged internals..

CONGRATS!!!
 

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Posted by Jim Demmitt Jr. (Member # 2440) on :
 
Procharged2Kv6 :-)
Thank you so much no tuned computer or chip block is stock with main support.heads are ported Magnum powers blower Eaton M90.type 85MM throttle body 80MM mass air sencer AOD with 2500 stall converter

I have my car info on the www.SCCoA.com web site under members and Top SC's we will be at Sac-racway Friday Nights trying for 11.50's hope to see you there thanks again

Bob Johnson Performance built my motor he can help you (916)481-9263

[ April 08, 2003, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Jim Demmitt Jr. ]
 

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Posted by Procharged2Kv6 (Member # 1563) on :
 
so all your mods are basically:

-stock BLOCK
-Eaton Supercharger
-Ported Heads
-85mm TB
-80mm MAF
-2500 Stall Converter..

*i too have an automatic and was wondering what kind of stall i should get.. like a 3,000 stall..

you also said you had no chip/ no tune.. how is that?? i might have misunderstood what you said.. but yah, if you do get tuned..where do you get your car dynotuned at?? thanks Jim for your patience and your help..
is you're motor, stock motor ... ??? 3.8 OHV stock motor?? if so, how much rwhp/ rwTQ are you running??

what is a "bob johnson short block" ??? how much did that run you...

Sorry for all the questions...

[ April 08, 2003, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: Procharged2Kv6 ]
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 

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Originally posted by Chris M.:
that's like saying "don't buy a blower because it weighs 50lbs, and definitly don't buy an intercooler because that's another 30-40, right where you don't want it"

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Originally posted by shade-tree:

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Originally posted by Chris M.:
that's like saying "don't buy a blower because it weighs 50lbs, and definitly don't buy an intercooler because that's another 30-40, right where you don't want it"

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Apples to Oranges bro.

*IF* and only *IF* you are using the block's capacity is this argument even relevant.

Obviously a power adder is worth it's weight, but a 351's extra 80 pounds does shit for you if it's making ~300 rwhp.

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