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Posted by gixxer408 (Member # 2454) on :
 
5pm -10pm. Who's showing up? Hook up a "grudge" race for that day. Let's race!!!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
fuckin awesome video man! looks like that guy tree'd you or somethin, but then you just pull and pull!
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
calling all shade-trees
 
Posted by gixxer408 (Member # 2454) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jayl:
fuckin awesome video man! looks like that guy tree'd you or somethin, but then you just pull and pull!
Thanks.....LOL! That was just 1st round qualifying and i wanted to make sure the turbos were spooled up at the line for a good pass. Good enough for #2 I wasn't tryin to cut the light....Honestly. You guys headed down to SJ anytime soon?
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
hey gixxer...my in car camera didn't show quite the same happy ending [Wink]
 
Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 
what up jose this is freddy, ill be there for sure...bring your daily driver for me to race...(white iroc) [Big Grin] [patriot]

[ March 17, 2003, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: onesicklx ]
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris M.:
calling all shade-trees
I will be spraying so it should be good [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
yeah we'll be comin down soon, id actually like to race your white iroc in a few weeks......my car is almost done
 
Posted by 510 mob shit (Member # 2117) on :
 
a gixxer do you got a bike? if you do i got a race for you [patriot]

[ March 17, 2003, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: 510 mob shit ]
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
quote:
Originally posted by Chris M.:
calling all shade-trees
I will be spraying so it should be good [Big Grin]
eh, never mind then. all the tuning but WOT should be done by then. I'll be hoping for a 12.5.
 
Posted by gixxer408 (Member # 2454) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 510 mob shit:
a gixxer do you got a bike? if you do i got a race for you [patriot]
drag race or down highway 9? If its a drag race then make sure u got a lil sumthin for an extended swingarmed and strapped and on the bottle Hayabusa [Eek!] But if its a kneedraggin race, then I guess we can do this with the gixxer1K bonestock [Big Grin]
 
Posted by gixxer408 (Member # 2454) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by onesicklx:
what up jose this is freddy, ill be there for sure...bring your daily driver for me to race...(white iroc) [Big Grin] [patriot]
Sup dawg, thats what Im sayin. [Big Grin] I got some ET Streets so I'll be good to go. Its gonna be fun. Fons, Alex, Axel, Jo, Thong, Poncho, Jeff are all gonna be there too with their cars. Should be coo.

JayL- whenever let me know.
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris M.:
eh, never mind then. all the tuning but WOT should be done by then. I'll be hoping for a 12.5.
you can supervise the removal of my bottle for when we run then [Razz] .
I like a fair race myself. 408 vs. 302 sounds good to me [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
im tryin to get this damn thing up and runnin, but all the little details are killin me......so itll be a few weeks out still, i gotta make sure everything is cool before i step up to the plate with you guys!
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
I'll be there!
Got a pretty long line on Norcal-LS1 of guys that want to try they're luck.

Shadetree......gonna be there this Saturday? [Wink]
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
yeah, can you retard my cam like 16 degrees first though? [Razz]
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
yeah, can you retard my cam like 16 degrees first though? [Razz]
Save me a run on Saturday. [Smile]
No cam-tuning for you! [Razz]
 
Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on :
 
Come on Shaun help the brother out with some cam adjustments!
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
quote:
Originally posted by Chris M.:
eh, never mind then. all the tuning but WOT should be done by then. I'll be hoping for a 12.5.
you can supervise the removal of my bottle for when we run then [Razz] .
I like a fair race myself. 408 vs. 302 sounds good to me [Big Grin]
You don't need to take it out, i trust you and if you cheat, you only cheat yourself. Remember when that s10 punked you? [Big Grin] That would be like complaning to your mistress about your wife cheating on you.

I don't think a motor built for a blower is fair against a motor built to run on just motor, but the CI difference might even it up. But who cares about fair anyway? We'll be too busy having fun.
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
8.5:1 408ci motor with 300 cfm heads

vs

8.8:1 302ci motor with 240 cfm heads and comprable weight..... who should be making excuses? [Confused]

300 rwhp, off the shelf heads/intake/cam 302

vs

450 rwhp, cleaned up heads&intake, custom cam, twin turbo'd 331.... who should be making excuses? [Confused]

Am I the only one that thinks shade-tree's stock bottem end all motor 5.O should be making the excuses here? [Confused]

So is Jim vs Joe going down as well? If so- I'm definately there this Saturday [patriot]
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
hey sawson i see you didn't list spark plugs, spark plug gap, or power band. I also see you didn't mention cam #s either. Or transmissions for that matter. Even a/f ratios and timing curves were left out of the comparison.
I didn't know shade-tree only had 8.8:1, I do find his power with that lack of compression pretty impressive.

I guess you only use the facts that benefit your argument. It's okay, I understand that basically what it comes down to is your jealousy that you can't afford my motor and you wish you didn't have 4 mudflaps.

Hey joe, what rpm do you shift at?
 
Posted by Red C5 (Member # 1561) on :
 
Is it bracket racing?
 
Posted by Blown Mystic (Member # 476) on :
 
this is funny
 
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Red C5:
Is it bracket racing?
NO. I have an appointment w/ Joe. [Eek!]
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
this Saturday Jim? sweet, I hope you can get 114 mph with those headers!

I don't have any tricks planned [Razz] just some powershifting.
 
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
We'll see. I sure hope so. But you know how it is when you make a change....
Still have some more work to do. Need to do some grinding. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Red C5 (Member # 1561) on :
 
I'll try to make it up there to see if I can improve on my times.
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
We'll see. I sure hope so. But you know how it is when you make a change....
Still have some more work to do. Need to do some grinding. [Big Grin]
I'm always down for like 10x as long as the other guy doing the same mod(s), lol.

FWIW, I spent a solid 4 hours or so with grinding/test-fitting/bitching/swearing/cussing trying to get my longtubes around my McCleod steel bellhousing. Man grinding on steel takes forever [Mad]
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Red C5:
I'll try to make it up there to see if I can improve on my times.
I don't know dude, I think high 12's is as good as it gets for your combo [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
I wouldn't call a 290RWHP H/C/I 302 impressive.
Compression is just a ratio. Cylinder pressure is what we're really after. & a cam with 6 degrees of overlap & fairly aggressive lobes 'should' be making more then enough cylinder pressure...but obviously it's not.

& I will give NO excusses. No matter what the outcome.
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
My goal all along has only been 300 rwhp and to run 'all motor' 11's.

I'm pretty sure I've got both goals in the bag. Just a matter of obtaining a dyno printout and a timeslip to confirm.

Call it weaknuts if you will, but it's all I ever wanted. [patriot]
 
Posted by gixxer408 (Member # 2454) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
I'll be there!
Got a pretty long line on Norcal-LS1 of guys that want to try they're luck.

Shadetree......gonna be there this Saturday? [Wink]
Norcal LS1...Hmmmmm [Big Grin] interesting.
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
I wouldn't call a 290RWHP H/C/I 302 impressive.
Compression is just a ratio. Cylinder pressure is what we're really after. & a cam with 6 degrees of overlap & fairly aggressive lobes 'should' be making more then enough cylinder pressure...but obviously it's not.

& I will give NO excusses. No matter what the outcome.
so what are your opinions on this
int adv 294
exh adv 308
int @ .050 248
exh @ .050 258
int lift .573
exh lift .586

intake opens BTDC 35*
exhaust closes ATDC 38*
intake closes ABDC 79*
exhaust opens BBDC 90*
overlap 73*
Lobe separation 114
Degree intake lobe to 112

so what are your thoughts on this cam being run on just a motor with 408 cubic inches and heads that flow 320/240 (.600), and what are your thoughts about this cam with 15 lb of boost from a novi2000 on the same motor? (no intercooler)

i'm interested to see what you think shaun.
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Here's the valve events @.050:
IVO: 12 BTDC
IVC: 56 ABDC
EVO: 65 BBDC
EVC: 13 ATDC

25 degrees of overlap @.050 lift. [Eek!]

It's a pretty large cam.
Ment for upper RPM power, even with the 408.
Not much low-end, but mid-high end power will be....nice. [Smile] Fairly agressive ramp-rate.

It's a bit too much overlap for an SC IMO. It'll blow the boost right out the exhaust before it's burned.

It'll work much better on a carb setup IMO.
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
yeah, it was in the shortblock when i bought it a year and a half ago. i decided to toss it in there and see what would happen, if it doesn't make power then who cares because it was free.

I plan on shifting around 6,500 rpm.

yeah i copied the events from the wrong side of the card.

I'm just hoping the power isn't climbing like crazy past 6,500 rpm.
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
My goal all along has only been 300 rwhp and to run 'all motor' 11's.

I'm pretty sure I've got both goals in the bag. Just a matter of obtaining a dyno printout and a timeslip to confirm.

Call it weaknuts if you will, but it's all I ever wanted. [patriot]
BRO...I had this same damn goal with my LIGHT AS HELL GT...a few years back. My goal was 11.99 at whatever mph on motor. I took it to one of the Apex dyno days and had Byron burn me a chip. Got 298.7 to the rears that day and went to the track every Friday night for the next month or so. 12.0 then a 12.0 another 12.0 and a 12.0 did I mention I ran a 12.0. My car weighed in at 2560 before I got in and before I put the cage in. After cage and auto went in, first pass on motor 12.13, last pass that motor saw before I sold it was a 12.003. FUCK THE ELEVENS...however, the jug skipped the 11's altogether so I didn't care to much bout 11's anymore on motor [Smile]
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
that's weird Team Solo, I'm at least 250#'s heavier than that in my light as hell coupe, and thus far horsepower calcs (on a granny+short-shifted pass) indicate 296 to the wheels assuming Sac's scale is accurate.
What mph were you running? I'm assuming I'll be all over 113 mph if not 114 mph (best 112.9 on 3rd pass ever), maybe 11.8 but 11.99 will do [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
I was running at mid to high 112 mph. My short times were anywere between a 1.58 and a 1.61 evry pass. If you get an 11.99 I will hate you [Smile]
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
1.58-1.61 smokes my shit [Big Grin]

I got down to 1.64 on a totally stock rear, then busted an axle trying to launch higher.

I got a spool and 3.73s in now and I'm counting on a 1.62 at least. I figure a 1.62 and 2 moderate speed shifts will put up an 11.99 at about 113.5 or so. I love rice-lying!!

maybe I need actual ET Drags now. will try on the worn ET Streets for now.
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
my first time out with a stock rear setup went a 1.72, was a 12.29 at 110 mph...then I had teh dyno tune, put in some factory five uppers n lowers and a set of lakewood traction bars....

i then went from a 3.73 gear to a 4.10 and a 28 x 10.5 ET Drag...picked up a tenth right there on that...with the stick my best was a 1.58 and with the auto w/ a 4g stall was a 1.58...

i will still hate you if you get an 11.99 [Smile] but will have to give a [Whoo Whooooo!] your way if you do [Wink]
 
Posted by Red C5 (Member # 1561) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
I don't know dude, I think high 12's is as good as it gets for your combo [Big Grin]
With a typical 2.6-2.8 60' you may be right. We'll see how I do this weekend. Mayne someday I'll be good enough to be listed in the cafords fastest section. [Smile]
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
red c5, you should run rob, his cobra is ~122 or more mph all day long. That would be a good matchup if you pickup a drag radial and get your 60' around 1.8 or lower. Course on grudge night without a rollbar that's a ticket off the track so...
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
that's weird Team Solo, I'm at least 250#'s heavier than that in my light as hell coupe, and thus far horsepower calcs (on a granny+short-shifted pass) indicate 296 to the wheels assuming Sac's scale is accurate.
What mph were you running? I'm assuming I'll be all over 113 mph if not 114 mph (best 112.9 on 3rd pass ever), maybe 11.8 but 11.99 will do [Big Grin]
weird, sawson's dumb ass told me our cars weighed about the same... 2,560+250 equals 2,810. My car is listed as 2,900 from the factory with no fluids or driver. that was also with an 8" c4 and 289 with a 2 barrel. Now the car has a 351w, efi, a 50lb supercharger kit, a 9" an AOD, the frame rails and sheet metal in the back of the car are 3 times the size of the weak ass stock crap and i've added a stereo system... how does sawson figure I lost 100 lbs from the factory #s? (other than his lack of knowledge of course)

my guess is that it's around 3,400 lbs with me in it.

Greg, did i mention Kevin said he wasn't going to put nitrous on his car until he ran a 10? Then on the day you drove DJ's car... Poof 10.96. [Wink]
 
Posted by Red C5 (Member # 1561) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
red c5, you should run rob, his cobra is ~122 or more mph all day long. That would be a good matchup if you pickup a drag radial and get your 60' around 1.8 or lower. Course on grudge night without a rollbar that's a ticket off the track so...
Who's Rob? I still don't knwo what grudge night really is. Are people walking around calling each other out?
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Red C5:
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
red c5, you should run rob, his cobra is ~122 or more mph all day long. That would be a good matchup if you pickup a drag radial and get your 60' around 1.8 or lower. Course on grudge night without a rollbar that's a ticket off the track so...
Who's Rob? I still don't knwo what grudge night really is. Are people walking around calling each other out?
redc5, you show up to the track...pay your fees for entering and then go into the staging lanes. if you do not have anyone that you specifically want to run, they will put someone in the lane next to you. if you have someone that you want to run, have them pull up behind you in the staging lanes. when you get to the front of the staging lane, tell the person pulling lanes that you wanna run homie g funk master flash in the pinto behind you...they will set it up from there....

hope this helps
 
Posted by Chris M. (Member # 1708) on :
 
g funk master flash in his pinto...
 
Posted by Red C5 (Member # 1561) on :
 
If the line wasn't so long, I'd run Chris. [Razz]
 




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