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Posted by bunchmyfunky (Member # 360) on :
 
Brian asked me to post his best run on the bottle from tonight.

60ft ET MPH
1.58 [Eek!] 11.6 117
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Much better.... Congrats. One hell of a good 60 foot.
 
Posted by eljefe (Member # 1753) on :
 
nice, but what happend the rest of the night? lost a tenth every run after that? [Confused]
time for someone to get a sfi jacket [Wink] dont worry i wont tell.
btw bunch when are you running your nos setup? next friday?
 
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
Congrads Brian. That launch was bad ass!

I had a faily good night at the track also and I didn't even have to bring my car, could have been better though [patriot]

[ October 04, 2002, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: Yellow94GT ]
 
Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
What was his 1/8 times?

I would have expected the car to post a 10second pass.

11.6@117 is mean dont get me wrong!
 
Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
that run looked pretty solid from what i saw, good shifts , hard launch.......i just though that trapspeed would be 122 or so........how was the bottle pressure? and anyone see that rx7 go 9.1 @ 100 mph.......fuckin nuts........mid to low 8 second car definitely
 
Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
Anyone know his 1/8 mile times?

Was he using the nitrous progressively or staged or????

Looks like he was being careful if that was a 150 shot

I thought for sure that fucker would go 10s specially with that 60 ft.

bet it looked good

then again they say that vert top is a mofo on the big end.
 
Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
also

what does that thing weigh now with him in it ready to rock?
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
around 3600+ with him in it
 
Posted by 90GT (Member # 3) on :
 
1/8 mile traps were 92 if I remember right. The track was going away toward the end of the night as well.
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
Here is what the timeslip reads:

60ft......1.578
330ft.....4.776
660ft.....7.429
mph.......92.129
1000ft....0.00 (left lane timers broken)
1/4.......11.646
MPH.......117.303

I am very happy with my run. I am running a 3640lbs 'vert, with ALL STOCK suspension, box stock AFR 165's, shorty headers, 8.5" tire [Eek!]
and a out of the box NON CUSTOM cam [Razz] that I drove to Redding right after the race and got 21 mpg !!!!!

If I wanted to have an all out race car, I would put that motor in an '80 coupe we have.

Dan:
The car is setup with a 150 shot, non progressive, no multi stage retard, and the base timing set at 6 degrees. There is more in the combo, but it was a nice safe tune and run.
edit: bottle pressure was at 1100 psi

Later
Brian

[ October 07, 2002, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: TheBrain ]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Good run but what's with the [Razz] about custom cams [Confused] Me thinks he's mad cause he doesn't trap 117 NA [Razz] LOL [Big Grin]
 
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
chuckle- Are you?

[Razz]

JL
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
chuckle- Are you?

[Razz]

JL
Not yet [Wink] Still waiting for my parts to come back, or I would be [Razz]

[ October 07, 2002, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: AaronC ]
 
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
chuckle- Are you?

[Razz]

JL
He will be running that MPH real soon.

Well, 117 on a slow pass [worship] [burnout]
 
Posted by bunchmyfunky (Member # 360) on :
 
Brain, is there anything goin on at Redding this weekend. If I cant make it to Sac friday night. Then I might go to Redding.
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AaronC:
Good run but what's with the [Razz] about custom cams [Confused] Me thinks he's mad cause he doesn't trap 117 NA [Razz] LOL [Big Grin]
Aaron,
While MPH is fun, and good for bragging rights, it doesn't win races !!!!
Take your pick, would you rather run a 12.2 @ 110 or a 12.9 @ 113? Think about it

Custom cams do work, but I'm not going to spend $300-$450 for a cam, sorry

Brian

[ October 08, 2002, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: TheBrain ]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Max for a custom cam is 325 from Ed. He's the most expensive. Mine was $295. What cracks me up is people act like this $150 difference is significant. I know damn well that if someone wanted say 20 more RWHP they'd spend the 150 to get it out of a bolt on. Especially when driveability can be better. So 300 isn't unreasonable. Especially when Comp XE cams are already $240 out of a Summit Catalogue. So now $60 is REALLY insignificant. If you spend the big money on nice heads, nice motor, etc, why short change yourself just say I spent 150 for a cam? It doesn't make sense. I never said MPH on it's own wins races. MPH gives you the potential to ET better. Looking at your timeslips I'd say the extra MPH helped you. No? All I'm sayin is a well designed cam can spec out smaller while giving better driveability and more power. Mike's car is a perfect example. It's hard to argue with the results people are getting.
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
Aaron,
I understand that a custom cam is the way to go for some, I am just not one of "them"
First off, the difference between my cam and a custom cam is not just $60. My cam installed in my short block from Keith Craft and was included in the price and if I had wanted a custom cam from them, it would have been an extra $250
Secondly, my off-the-shelf TFS Stage 2 cam has excellent street manners and driveability. So I am not in need of a custom cam to cure any of those problems

If you want a custom cam, go for it, it's your money, spend it however you want. It all boils down to "To each his own"
My car runs low/mid 12's on motor and sticky tires, high 12's on street tires and mid 11's (second time to the track) on the bottle, I drive it 500 miles a week and get over 20mpg. Let me know how your's does when you get it finished [Wink] [Big Grin] [patriot]

Brian
 
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
Shit all I had to do was swap to a custom cam and and a few other small mods and gained so much it was unbelievable!! My best run with my old setup was a 12.23 at 114.8 and with the custom cam setup I averege 11.70's. Thats 5 tenths off my best ever with the old setup!! Thats not worth the 130 more I spent??!! Shit that isnt even taking the mph into account i am on average running 118-119, with a 119.8 best. That would most likely include a 120 if i did not have clutch issues for so long.

Brian you dont have to defend your combo you just have to realize there is so much more room to grow!
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Camara90:

Brian you dont have to defend your combo you just have to realize there is so much more room to grow!
There is no doubt that the custom cam in your combo flat fuckin' RIPS !!!!

For some reason I am always on the defense when it comes to my combo. Yes, the heads are too small, shorty headers and killing it's potential, a custom cam would get me to the 11's on motor and 10's on the bottle
I thought about going longtubes, bigger heads, and maybe even a custom cam, but I just bought a house and the money is just not there right now [Frown]
Another thing is, 10.99 in a 'vert requires everything that a 9.99 in a coupe does. Full ROLLCAGE, sfi approved EVERYTHING, etc....

My car is fast, fun and I love it just the way it is !!!! 'NUFF SAID [Wink]

Brian
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Dont feel bad brain I too can only afford a regular cam tfs stage 1 for 129.00. [Eek!] I have no complaints 12.04@113.5 is not too bad [burnout] [burnout]
 
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
That's what I'm shootin' for, John. Glad to see you're running the stage 1.

JL
 
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
Brian I can see where you are comming from, if you are happy with where you are speed wise, leave it alone. Thats all that is important. Shit I remember before I started all my mods and everything all i wanted was a low 13 second car!! Somehow I skipped the 13's went straight to the twelves, and then landed some how in the mid 11's. I will very shortly be somewhere in the 10's!!

This sport is worse than drugs, and some where you do have to draw the line. After mine gets back together the line will be drawn. I am going to be looking to buy a house, and with my new son being born things are getting tighter and tighter!! But its all good! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Brian that's cool and understandable. It was just the [Razz] at custom cams that got me riled up a bit. As if people just waste their money on them. I just had to make it clear that they're not a waste and more than worth the little extra. [Smile] [patriot] [Cool]
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
this isn't the Brain but his buddy who let him use his computer(should of logged out LOL) I belive the 347 that picked up all the et from the custom cam also had a complete engine going through at the same time? also some more compression and a few other things maybe? Brians combo rips I doubt there is anybody else on here who runs the numbers he does that puts even half the miles on the car that he does with the AC and stereo and all the extras. As far as MPH showing potential sure it does but if you have poor traction(a tire spinning problem) then your MPH will go up in the 1/4 mile so what does that show? a poor chassi set up. MPH might show potential but ET shows results. hmmm just think what Brians little 331 will do if he ever does decide to stop using it as his everyday driver and realy gets serious about racing only. Just a little venting for you guy's like I said in the begining this isn't brian but his buddy Mike(2stangs69-91)
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Mike's 347 had 165's and a FMS X cam before. Same compression before and after. Changes were 185's and the custom cam. Gain= 5 MPH on avg and went from a best ET of 12.33 at 114 before to 11.61 at 119.8 on NITTO DR's before and after.... 1.75 60' times on the nitto's with a best of 1.71. So translation is more MPH = better ET. If traction sucks then get better tires. Traction is another issue, but MPH does give more potential to ET better, period. I was never intentionally trying to rip his combo, just pointing out the fact that custom cams DO make more power and offer better driveability, hands down. So when he started to rip on them as if their no good, I took offense. Since I actually have experience with one and know of others too and the benefits they've gained before and after I can attest to it. You can believe what you want, but you can't dispute the facts. Brian is a hell of driver and no one disputes that, believe me. I wouldn't mind havin him wheel mine some day. I wouldn't be surprised if he got it to run better than me.
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
Mike here again sorry brian LOL a few small bolt on's like 1400.00 dollar 185 AFR heads LOL(I wish I had your money if those are a small bolt on) MPH reall doesn't have all that much to do with ET potential it is a little miss leading. Kind of like rear wheel HP numbers. alot of times the better your chassi and tires work the lower your MPH is. That is just a fact. I am not saying a good MPH is not wanted,but as Brian pointed out ET is were it is at. Unless it makes you feel better buy telling the guy who just took your money and beat you that at least you had a better MPH(ever consider racing at the salt flats? LOL you guy's all have good running cars keep after it Mike
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
Mike, will you register already and quit using my login !!! LOL

*note to self, remember to logout when using Mike's computer!!!*

Brian
 
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
If mph has so much to do with the chasis, and traction why is it even acounted for when trying to figure out max hp numbers on a dyno calculator? Or why off of my dyno numbers was I able to exactly guess what my mph was going to be?

Exactly mph plays a big role in et!

Second of all who said the upgrade costed me much when I sold my x cam for 100, and the heads for a thousand. Damn 5mph and almost 6 tenths for 575 bucks and no bottle refills!! That is power always on demand, at about the same price as a nitrous kit. so lets think, im sure brians nitrous kit was about that much, right? Second of all the car ran harder and the driveability was still perfect. about 18-19mpg on the freeway and 11.6's.

[ October 09, 2002, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: Camara90 ]
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
Mike here (sorry brian LOL)my 69 mustang weighs 3450 race weight my MPH was 113 in Sac what was my ET? just curious how good your calculator is. the brain was there so he can vouch for my answer.
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
ok I am now logged in so i don't have to use brians ID. Camara the only reason I brought up your heads is that you purposley left them out in your post of upgrades on your custom cam. If somebody who didn't know any better read your thread they might of thought they could get the same results just buy putting a custom cam in there car. The head change you did opened up alot of flow you didn't have before and was a significant change. You realy have no clue how much a custom cam helped you because you never ran that combo with out it. MPH has less to do with ET then you obviously realize answer my question and lets see how close you are. I realy don't want to start a flame war with you (I don't even know who you are ) I just know what I have heard and have seen your post on the corral.
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
IMHO, changing headers, heads, and cam at the same time is a pretty significant change. 5 mph gain from that is great. What if it was all in the heads? we'll never know. [Razz]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
2stangs- your missing the point. I think your failing to realize what the word POTENTIAL means. Does brian's car have more potential to ET better on or off the nitrous? That proves my point right there! What were saying is that a car that traps 120 can run 12.2 easier than a car that runs 110. So my point again was a car with more mph has more POTENTIAL to ET. When both cars are maxed out which car would be faster? Again we said POTENTIAL, NOT actual. Your ET could range all over the place depending on 60' and traction after the 60' mark. I have no idea how good of driver you are either. If I had to guess, I'd guess 12.2-12.4 with an avg 1.80-1.90ish 60' time. Could be better, could be worse.

About the heads, of course they helped. The cam did too. Why, because it works the heads. His new cam has the added duration at .200 lift to help those heads breathe at the higher rpms. Mike's car trapped the same with the 1 5/8 headers as it did with the 1 3/4 so that didn't have much effect on traps. His best MPH came with the 1 5/8's.

You guys don't even know the specs on either of our cams. I'll give you mine straight from the cam card and YOU show me a combo out there that's made the same power with an off shelf cam that's similar in size. My specs 224/218 at .050, 273/269 at .006, .556/.528, 111 LSA. And no I didn't type it wrong! Where you gonna find a cam like that? Now that cam is much smaller than a TFS #2. Which do you think would drive better? Too my point again that a custom will make more power. Shadetree you should know.... Look what it takes the Anderson guys to make 340 RWHP from a 306.... A Cut re-welded RPM (I have standard performer), a cam of 232/240 at .050 on a 110, LMAO, and every other part in that combo is bigger than mine! It all comes down to desinging a well engineered setup.
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
hey I don't claim to know anything, I just don't see a lot of fair apples-apples comparisons going on with cams. lot's of great all motor small block combos running around here. we should be proud, not bickering [patriot]

I believe jmmclesk is setting the standard in his combo. TFS stage 2 heads, a TFS stage 1 cam, edelbrock performer intake (like yours). 330+ rwhp, and 12.0 timeslips @ 113+ all motor around 3300 lbs raceweight.

what about scott peters in his E-cam'd GT-40X headed combo? 12.40s @ 110+ in a full weight GT.

"custom" cams probably are great. But a nice "off the shelf" cam can work too.

do I argue with the point that $150 for a potential 10 HP or more isn't worth it? absolutely not! I'd pay $150 for 10 HP in a heartbeat! but did I? sort of.

In the end, hopefully some more of us will have some hard data, otherwise we are just opinionating ourselves to death and spoiling the waters so to speak. See ya'll at the track! [burnout]
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Actually Scott runs the B-cam. A big Corral.net no no [worship] [worship] [worship]
 
Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Don't need no stinkin' cam!

[Big Grin]
OK- gonna try one off the shelf. Then custom. back-to back. Will that help settle any debate?

JL

[ October 10, 2002, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: FasterDamnit ]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Jim- Just make sure you degree both cams. Your car runs VERY hard with the stocker.

Shadetree- I wouldn't say it's all opinionating. There is data to back claims up. Jon's car has the Track Heat intake (not performer), and is in the 3100's going down the track from what he's said. It's fast, hands down, no doubt. His car runs well because of them awesome flowing heads (300 CFM) and matched intake, so he doesn't need a big cam to get flow. Same reason Jim's car runs hard. A more restricted induction/exhaust car would need something bigger to make that power. I do think Jon's car would pick up a lot with a custom cam with a tighter LSA, tad more duration, and a later intake closing point. Camara90's first setup had 165's, performer intake, B cam. No chance that setup was gonna make more than 310 RWHP with the stock 302. Nate on this board had 165's, performer RPM intake, 1 3/4 headers, comp xe274, both of us tuned by Byron etc. That's about as comparable as they get. He made 320/320. There have been several others with TFS #1/#2/E/X/B/Comp xe 270/274/Anderson's N-41 cams and the same supporting cast of parts as me and make no more than 320. I'm just pointing out the fact that my cam is dinky (drives and idles a tad above stock) but puts up the #'s. Nate's since gone the custom route and I can't wait to see his 342 run on the 26th. His car is lighter and has a tad slightly bigger cam and will run harder than Mike's car did. Actually I'm really excited to see it run. I'm not bagging on peoples combo's. I want people around here to run FASTER. Sawson's said it many times, that Norcal has some of the worst NA setups around. Byron said he's only tuned 4-5 NA cars that made more RWHP than it had for cubic inches. How sad is that. We have a few on this board that run hard (NA) but I'd like to see everyone run harder. Raise the standards. Everyone's goal is different, I realize that. But realize an off shelf has more compromised valve timing and a custom has more optimized timing. Also, it's not all about the "peak #". Customs usually start making power sooner and hold it later giving a longer more usefull power band with more AVG power. I think Jim's idea of before and after is a great idea. How long until you have the stage 1 in? I really want this debate to end because the more we get into it, nothing is getting accomplished. I'll agree that we disagree on philosophy. No biggie, I'm not gonna worry about it anymore. I've tried to make my point and others have made theirs. Hope to see ya'll at the track tomorrow [patriot]
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
11.55 was the ET it ran it a few times. There were some engine problems I later fixed. So I just sent the 119 MPH guy back home happy he was running me down but still losing. 60 foot in the 1.5 range. BTW in Redding it ran 11.27 at 119 after it was fixed. I am not saying mph is bad but tuning your times for the best MPH is not were it is at. Tune your combo for the best ET and use your MPH as a indicator of the HP you can put to the track. I here it all the time people say my car ran this MPH so it should run this number. Problem is we don't live in the same perfest world all the HP calculators live in. I drag race to take the win light who cares if the guy behind me is faster unless, I am watching in the rear view mirror I don't see him any how. Don't get me wrong here I think camaras combo runs pretty hard(from the sounds of it) plus anybody who takes a daily driver and puts it in the 12's is fast. BTW you can't realy compare your dyno numbers with anybody eleses unless you go back to back on the same dyno(you should no that) Dynos get out of calibration there are different types weather all kinds of variables.

[ October 10, 2002, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
There's a simple reason to go custom.

Most people don't build their motors around a camshaft. The custom grind lets us build our motors then have an EXPERT (which not ONE of us are) design the cam around the motor.

Sure, lots of off-the-self grinds will work, but odds are, not as well as a custom. The majority of the off-the-self grinds are outdated...significantly! The 'alphabet' series (for instance) was never designed to work with AFR/TW heads. They were designed for the GT40 heads. Sure, you may get lucky...do your homework & pick a cam that works great with the way the heads flow, intake manifold volume, runner length, etc.

We spend Thousands on heads, intake, exhaust, fuel, etc, yet some flat out refuse to drop the extra $150 for a WELL DESIGNED CAM made specifically for their motor.
I guess that's why some run hard while others flat out haul ass!
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Aaron why are you picking on my car???? what did I do to you to piss you off??? there is a few points i would like to make. track heat intake, 3100-3150 with me in the car. as for the 300 cfm that is at .600. Since the cam i have is 221-224 at .050 and 499 and 510 that 300cfm means nothing. I think the figure that should be used is the flow at .500 which is something like 250-260 (thats a guess) look on tea's web site for the flow rating. As far norcal having bad n/a combos. I will let my time slip do the talking. As far as custom cams go ask me at the track or call me it takes me too long to type my awnser. Also aaron i think my cam is as small as yours and makes the same power(or close to it) the last time i was at the dyno it was around 335 approx WITHOUT any laptop tweeks. I would also like to see the flow # for both heads up to the cams max lift as well as area under the curve. thats what i think but what the hell do i know. [burnout] [burnout] [burnout] [burnout]

[ October 10, 2002, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: jmcclesk ]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Jon, where did I pick on you? You never pissed me off or anything. I hope I didn't offend you. I didn't try to, just tried to point out the specifics the best I could because your combo runs strong and is the 302 car to beat. I'm not talking about you when I say bad combo's. I'm talking about all the heads/cammed cars that can't even break 300 and trap 104-105 and run 13.4's at the track. Like I said, Byron said he's only tuned 4-5 cars that have made more RWHP than they have for cubic inches. Obviously you've well surpassed that. I still stand on the fact that you could gain a lot by way of a custom cam. That's all. I think you have the foundation (heads/intake etc) for mid 11's in it, that's all.

http://www.totalengineairflow.com/products/fordhead/ds_tfstw185.htm

Are these your heads? 185cc? That's where I got the rough # from. I stand corrected if these are not them.

[ October 10, 2002, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: AaronC ]
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Would you agree that my off the shelf cam makes the same hp as your custom cam??? 335for me 340 for you. Is 5 hp close if not back to the dyno i go this time i will put the spurs to it.enough??? [Confused] [Confused]

[ October 10, 2002, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: jmcclesk ]
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
I stand corrected on the cfm at .500 next time i have the motor apart i will flow the heads to see for sure. Well is 335hp close enough???? [Confused] [Confused]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmcclesk:
Would you agree that my off the shelf cam makes the same hp as your custom cam??? 335for me 340 for you. Is 5 hp close if not back to the dyno i go this time i will put the spurs to it.enough??? [Confused] [Confused]
That's why I was comparing the whole setup. Your heads have me covered by over 50 CFM at .500" lift and you have a track heat to my performer. A higher flowing intake side will need less cam. Agree? I will have higher flowing heads, RPM intake this time around. Still not 300 CFM but 275ish. The RPM should let me peak higher allowing for more HP and extended RPM range. It's crazy how much HP can be effected if I just shifted the torque curve over 200-300 RPM. HP #'s go up dramatically. It's hard to communicate over the computer, but if you're at the track tomorrow we can chit chat about it.

Oh, 335 is very good. I know there's more in it, which is what I'm trying to point out but it's coming out wrong over the computer.

[ October 10, 2002, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: AaronC ]
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Sorry i wont be at the track tomrrow. but will be there next wed and friday I have reasons why i use high flowing intake system and a small cam. I also think that in some cases a CUSTOM CAM works best and in some cases a off the shelf cam is very close to a custom cam within 5-10 hp with all the problems i had with the TEA stuff i do NOT think the flow figures are correct. I have no facts for this just a feeling. [burnout] [burnout]

[ October 10, 2002, 07:05 PM: Message edited by: jmcclesk ]
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Cool, I'll try to catch up with you at the track since it's easier to communicate in person. I have never had any beef with you and don't want to start now. I love talking tech specs and philosophies (you probably know this). Sorry if anything came across the wrong way. [Smile]
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Good I will have the blower car out next friday. and i am willing to try a cam swap the problem is piston to valve clearnce [burnout] [burnout] see you at the track

[ October 10, 2002, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: jmcclesk ]
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
BTW can we define custom cams???? are AFM cams custom??? [Confused] what about hi-tec [Eek!]
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
AFM does NOT make custom cams. Overpriced bastards.... Shit, all their cams have the same intake & exhaust rap-rates.

Custom would be a cam specifically MADE for your engine. Not one that'll 'work' with your applictation.
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
so then hi-tech are not custom either??? [Confused]
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
so if the intake and exuast lobe acc. rates are the same then the cam can not be a custom ground????
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
[stirring the pot] I think a custom cam is something that they talk about in the former 'windsor' or current 5.0/5.8 tech forum on the corral. Usually the name "curtis" is thrown about a whole lot and then some guys 165cc AFR 119 mph full weight GT from texas gets mentioned. 30 mpg and 119 mph traps. You can too! [/stirring the pot]

j/k guys [Razz]

I think I might go custom cam too, but only after I got some heads like jmmclesk and that cool piston notching tool. Probably time for a nice big Holley/Victor intake then too [Big Grin]
given my rate of mods, expect to see her in '04, lol.
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Actually AFM does make true "custom" cams. They're pretty sucessful in the NMRA with their motors & cams. They did the cams for a few of the top running trophy stock cars a year or two ago. I haven't kept up since. I think to compare AFM with FTI is rather un fair. AFM races in the NMRA year after year for years upon years and has many top finishing cars in many different classes. Last time I checked, FTI was racing in a _stock cam_ class. Of course, if I was posting online 24-7 try to sell my stuff, I probably wouldn't have much time to race either [Razz] Just putting things in perspective here. The internet can skew how reality is percieved.
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmcclesk:
so if the intake and exuast lobe acc. rates are the same then the cam can not be a custom ground????
Na, just bitchin' about Rick Anderson....he pissed me off when I called for a buddy who needed the valve-events so I could degree his cam in properly. Rick told me that all their cams have the same intake/exhaust ramp-rates & therefore can be degreed using the 'center line' method...had the nerve to tell me it's the most accurate way to degree a cam....that method only works on cams with = intake/exhaust ramp-rates. The current customs usually don't open/close at the same rate & therefore can not be degreed this way. The .050 method works on ALL cams...as long as you know the specs! Took a bit to beat it out of him.

Sorry, just venting...

The Hi-techs are custom, but carry a part # from Comp I think???....anyway, I guess technically they become an off-the-shelf cam.
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Most people think that custom cams are made from lobes that they magically make up for you. When in fact they use individual lobes from different cam companies and use them. They look up all the #'s through a master lobe list and match lift points etc and durations. They'll pick the LSA, Intake Centerline (ICL), and the two lobes to make up the cam. Ed Curtis, Buddy Rawls, and Brian seem to be the leaders in the mustang world. Brian's website is misleading. He cuts you what you want. All have different theories and all make power. I happen to like Brian but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use any of the others. Brian likes using the Comp Cam xe lobes. The hard part is that they'll mix and match lobes from chevy's and ford and you have to convert durations etc because the different base circle sizes. If you really knew what you were doing you could pick your own cam from comp cams themselves. I'm not that good, as Brian, Ed, Buddy are all mechanical engineers with lots of experience and R&D behind their methods. Anderson cams could be custom. But the word custom doesn't just mean it's a good cam. I've heard of guys call cams custom but don't take into account the info needed to optimize. These guys seem to have it locked down though. It's really fun just to get these guys on the phone and just listen to the different theories etc. They all have impressive credentials. Ed has some very serious performers out there and Brian has a few heavy hittin strokers. A lot of people seem to doubt the performers of some of these cars but being that they're starting to pop up locally, people will start to believe they're for real. It's not hard to see that a car making 355/355 at 3100 lbs can run 11.6's at 118 MPH with good traction. Brian just did a 347 stroker that made 408 RWHP (5800 RPM)/393 RWTQ (5000 RPM). It's still untuned and will probably make 415 possibly 420. It's in a light car so it's gonna boogie. Mike's going one notch above in cam. I say just talk to em all and see what they say. They can account for piston to valve clearance issues. They have access to an insane amount of lobes.
 
Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Sawson, Ed races in a class with the stock cam so he doesn't have a conflict of interest with the racers that have his cam's. Obviously if he was racing against them, he'd sell them second rate stuff. Anderson does have strong running cars in the NMRA.
 
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
I just wanted to say that no one here is bagging on anyone elses setup, but if your like me you want your car to run as hard as it can, and still be able to be taken to work, cruises, etc.

Me, Aaron, Nate and others are just trying to state that INOP your numbers could be increased if a cam was made to fit your needs. Valve events, header size etc. I couldnt believe when brian asked me what size header I was running when he was cutting my first cam. Everything is accounted for, power is maximized, and still extremely steetable. With My old cam in I drove to work every day, cruises, races, everywhere!

Dont take offense, take it as advice!! I too never would have believed the difference. After all the money I have put in my car what was the extra 150 gonna do, stop me from going out to dinner a few times?!
 
Posted by GR8WHITE (Member # 403) on :
 
Brian, Nice time bro!

When you heading back up to SAC? You owe me a rematch [Wink] ...

Dan

[ October 11, 2002, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: GR8WHITE ]
 
Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GR8WHITE:
Brian, Nice time bro!

When you heading back up to SAC? You owe me a rematch [Wink] ...

Dan
Dan, You see in your signature where you posted a 10.83? Do you see in mine where I ran an 11.64? Why would I race you when you have me covered by 8 tenths ?!?!?! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

I am not quite ready for a rematch quite yet
Let's just leave it where we left off...... with me winning !! [Big Grin] [Razz] [Big Grin]

Later
Brian
 
Posted by GR8WHITE (Member # 403) on :
 
quote:
Dan, You see in your signature where you posted a 10.83? Do you see in mine where I ran an 11.64? Why would I race you when you have me covered by 8 tenths ?!?!?!

I am not quite ready for a rematch quite yet
Let's just leave it where we left off...... with me winning !!

Later
Brian
Why do you think I want a rematch now. I want you to play catch up for a change [Razz] . We'll go N/A, or I'll jet down even.

It's cool bro, we'll hook up again, you are still the best race I ever had, next time you can look at my tail lights though [Wink] ...

Dan
 




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