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Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
Anyone?
 
Posted by 351w (Member # 11875) on :
 
For?
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351w:
For?
I need someone to come look at my POS Mustang, bc it should run, doesn't, and I am at a fucking loss.

Everything is new.
 
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
what is it doing?
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 68dustin:
what is it doing?
It won't run. Period. New PIP 3x, new dizzy, new computer, new chip, new plugs, wires, cap/rotor, tune, you fucking NAME IT.

I've been out in the garage for 2 months, everyday, back and forth, back and forth, NOTHING WORKS. NO MATTER WHERE I PUT THE GODDAMN DIZZY, IT WILL NOT IDLE OR RUN. It pops, backfires, etc.

Ive tried 6 or 7 diff tunes, diff computers, chips, etc.. this is a fucking joke.

I've had it, and i'm tired of it.

FWIW.. it ran great. Had it idling, revved, etc.. took it up street in a little rain.. came home.. air filter got wet.. let it dry overnight, and ever since I can't get the car to run proper.

I've swapped everything, took it all apart, etc.. nothing I can find wrong.. just plain runs like hell. Cleaned MAF with spray, no change.

[ 2018-12-23, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Does the engine run better with the MAF unplugged? Does the engine run better with the IAC unplugged?
 
Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 
I think the MAF is fucked bro.

Might have gotten water on the heating element.

Aside from that moving all the other stuff to try and correct the issue may have introduced another issue into play.

Check the coil? Or EGR?

[ 2018-12-26, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Fostang ]
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Fostang:
I think the MAF is fucked bro.

Might have gotten water on the heating element.

Aside from that moving all the other stuff to try and correct the issue may have introduced another issue into play.

Yes. Dirty water splashed on heated MAF elements can't be good.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
New maf here today/monday. will keep ya posted.

POS CAR!!!!
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
New maf, same problem. Car runs like it's on 6 cylinders.

wtf
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
It has to be something simple. Cracked spark plug. Bad wire. Vacuum or gasket leak. Bad wiring. Damaged injector. Damaged sensor. Don't keep throwing parts at it. Think and trouble shoot logically.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
It has to be something simple. Cracked spark plug. Bad wire. Vacuum or gasket leak. Bad wiring. Damaged injector. Damaged sensor. Don't keep throwing parts at it. Think and trouble shoot logically.
Everything is new. I've been trying to get this running for 2 months, now.

MONTHS.

There is no vac leak.. there is no gasket leak.. the car ran GREAT.. idled rock steady.. then I took it to the store a mile up the road in the rain.. got MAF wet/etc.. and ever since, it WILL NOT RUN RIGHT.

NO MATTER WHAT.. believe me, i'd love it to be something stupid/simple.. but at this point i'm lost

[ 2018-12-31, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Computer error codes? Compression test? Smoke test for leaks? Get back to the basics.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
Computer error codes? Compression test? Smoke test for leaks? Get back to the basics.
No codes, good compression, no leaks.

Fuckin killin' me
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Does it idle with your air idle controller unplugged? Unplug the IAC and adjust the blade screw to the best idle you can get. Certain mo computer codes with the engine running test?
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
Does it idle with your air idle controller unplugged? Unplug the IAC and adjust the blade screw to the best idle you can get. Certain mo computer codes with the engine running test?
Soon as I unplug it, it dies.
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Tighten your idle screw more until it doesn't.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
Tighten your idle screw more until it doesn't.
I had it idle at 950.. rock solid.. vortech hummin' along.. i'm so lost atm.

I shouldn't have to change anything.. arg

I pulled all the plugs again, 7 were wet.. #2 was like nothing ever fired it.

SO STRANGE.. Ok this is before I took it to the store in the rain that one eve..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68gqrHTS8S0

[ 2019-01-01, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
What's your fuel pressure? Is your coil okay? I've heard of a computer test to check dead cylinders. It runs engine at cruise RPM and shuts off an injector one at a time to see if the RPMs drop. If it shuts of an injector and the RPMs don't drop, that cylinder isn't working. Run all these tests. Hang in there man, the fix is close.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
What's your fuel pressure? Is your coil okay? I've heard of a computer test to check dead cylinders. It runs engine at cruise RPM and shuts off an injector one at a time to see if the RPMs drop. If it shuts of an injector and the RPMs don't drop, that cylinder isn't working. Run all these tests. Hang in there man, the fix is close.
FP is right on.. 32/34 ish, spikes to 40 ish vac off.. I have a AFPR mounted to 1/2" CHP fuel rails.. the fpr sits on the booster for the brakes lol. Only place I could fit it.. as you can see in the video.. just kinda worked out.

I had an MSD coil on it, and swapped to an accel at the suggestion of a post I found on the corral, and WOW, did the accel put out like 20% more spark it seemed.. it was night and day.. like holy shit, and I already have a 6al in it..

We went through hell adjusting the rockers/valves because of the cam, but finally got it I do believe. I found a valve stem with a groove in it, took it to machine shop, had .010" shaved.. thousandths if I did that wrong, lol.. off bottom.. to flatten it back out. I was told being hydraulic it would adjust and be fine once we did our adjustments again, and it seemed to quiet down once the new lifters pumped up with oil.

The balancer has absolutely no marks on it, we had to set tdc, mark with chalk, then we are sorta guessing on 10*... best guess? 1/4"? 1/2"? I've seen anywhere from one to the other depending on the balancer and markings....

I'm going by ear, but this is killing me.. it obviously ran rock solid there.. so wtf are we missing, now? I have 3 sets of plugs here, a plug cleaner (abrasive on a compressor/air tool).. ngk's, I believe a tr6, then autolite 3923 (colder) and 3924 (step warmer).. I have 2 diff dizzys.. the MSD pro billet is a pos. I put a stocker in with a new pip.. pip went bad.. got lifetime warranty one.. already swapped it 3x...

Could the msd be smoking the pip??

I have new cap/rotor, wires on way. New ECT. It's throwing zero codes at me.

Could too much advance.. timing, simply cause all this??

Driving me NUTS

We checked compression and had 150 in all and 145 ish on last one. Well within specs i'd say. We went round and round on adjusting the rockers/valves, and finally got it, i'd say. I used this method.. because of the larger cam and heads/etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ZNY5a8gD0&t=298s

The only thing I would say I did a tiny bit diff, is that I had to rotate those set screws out a bit more, or it wouldn't let me adjust all the way proper. Outside of that, it ran GREAT, as you can see/hear.

Now, seems like something simple is beating me [Embarrassed]

[ 2019-01-01, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
Wonder if my computer is just a pos lol.

I have a t4m0 here.. apparently a straight swap from my j4j1 cobra.. once I pop the quarterhorse in.. donezo.

Wondering if I just swap em..

[ 2019-01-01, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by 4IDFOX (Member # 9921) on :
 
Eliminate the 6AL and see what happens.
Do you have a good ground strap from engine to chassis ?

[ 2019-01-02, 04:45 AM: Message edited by: 4IDFOX ]
 
Posted by 351w (Member # 11875) on :
 
How bad do you want the car to run? Who’s going to tune the car for you, how much is that going to cost you? I have a solution for you to fix the car yourself completely but you have to be up to the task and my suggestion will force you to troubleshoot and find the actual issue and resolve it, I’ve been down this road before, PM me for the info if you want to know more.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351w:
How bad do you want the car to run? Who’s going to tune the car for you, how much is that going to cost you? I have a solution for you to fix the car yourself completely but you have to be up to the task and my suggestion will force you to troubleshoot and find the actual issue and resolve it, I’ve been down this road before, PM me for the info if you want to know more.
Lots of assumptions in this post.

So tell me, you gonna just explain to me how to backpin my computer and all connections?

[ 2019-01-02, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :
 
Similar bullshit was happening to me...then i decided to just swap the entire hci motor with a completely stock motor. Problem still existed (excessive fuel being sprayed in number 8 cylinder)..i changed the ECM, it went away. That was a pain in the ass. Car was sitting for about a year with that problem til i solved it

[ 2019-01-02, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: fredfifty ]
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
Similar bullshit was happening to me...then i decided to just swap the entire hci motor with a completely stock motor. Problem still existed (excessive fuel being sprayed in number 8 cylinder)..i changed the ECM, it went away. That was a pain in the ass. Car was sitting for about a year with that problem til i solved it
I had a feeling it was the computer, or ccrm.. I swapped out another ccrm and it threw more codes.. put old back on.. went away lol. gotta love it.

Looks like I may be swapping computers here just to try
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 4IDFOX:
Eliminate the 6AL and see what happens.
Do you have a good ground strap from engine to chassis ?
I agree. Bypass the 6AL.

You can't swap GT and Cobra computers. They're tuned for different size injectors.

[ 2019-01-02, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Martinna ]
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
quote:
Originally posted by 4IDFOX:
Eliminate the 6AL and see what happens.
Do you have a good ground strap from engine to chassis ?
I agree. Bypass the 6AL.

You can't swap GT and Cobra computers. They're tuned for different size injectors.
Perhaps I didn't mention I have a quarterhorse and tune /wideband/datalogger etc.

So yeah.. I can luckily.

[ 2019-01-02, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351w:
How bad do you want the car to run? Who’s going to tune the car for you, how much is that going to cost you? I have a solution for you to fix the car yourself completely but you have to be up to the task and my suggestion will force you to troubleshoot and find the actual issue and resolve it, I’ve been down this road before, PM me for the info if you want to know more.
Post your technique in this thread so we can all learn.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
quote:
Originally posted by 351w:
How bad do you want the car to run? Who’s going to tune the car for you, how much is that going to cost you? I have a solution for you to fix the car yourself completely but you have to be up to the task and my suggestion will force you to troubleshoot and find the actual issue and resolve it, I’ve been down this road before, PM me for the info if you want to know more.
Post your technique in this thread so we can all learn.
Kinda what I was thinking lol
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blown93Snake:
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
quote:
Originally posted by 4IDFOX:
Eliminate the 6AL and see what happens.
Do you have a good ground strap from engine to chassis ?
I agree. Bypass the 6AL.

You can't swap GT and Cobra computers. They're tuned for different size injectors.
Perhaps I didn't mention I have a quarterhorse and chip/tune /wideband/datalogger etc.

So yeah.. I can luckily.
That makes the job easy for you. Are the long term fuel trims adding or taking fuel? Adjust your MAF curve slightly to compensate accordingly. Your trim at low loads and RPMs is probably maxed at one extreme or the other.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
quote:
Originally posted by Blown93Snake:
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
quote:
Originally posted by 4IDFOX:
Eliminate the 6AL and see what happens.
Do you have a good ground strap from engine to chassis ?
I agree. Bypass the 6AL.

You can't swap GT and Cobra computers. They're tuned for different size injectors.
Perhaps I didn't mention I have a quarterhorse and chip/tune /wideband/datalogger etc.

So yeah.. I can luckily.
That makes the job easy for you. Are the long term fuel trims adding or taking fuel? Adjust your MAF curve slightly to compensate accordingly. Your trim at low loads and RPMs is probably maxed at one extreme or the other.
The guy tuning the car is Willie at Dirty Dirty Racing out in Virginia. I've worked with him on my last 95 cobra with the vortech and it was spot on after a couple rough pulls and tweaks.

This is a tougher but i've had it running, perfectly, lil rich, but idling rock solid like that video I posted.. it's gotta be something dumb at this point.

Gonna bypass 6al and try that next if none of this bs works next round.

Thanks for the help
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Read from your EEC and post a screen grab of your KAMRF table.

Do that EEC injector balance test I was talking about yesterday too.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351w:
How bad do you want the car to run? Who’s going to tune the car for you, how much is that going to cost you? I have a solution for you to fix the car yourself completely but you have to be up to the task and my suggestion will force you to troubleshoot and find the actual issue and resolve it, I’ve been down this road before, PM me for the info if you want to know more.
So are you going to like.. withhold ~24 year old knowledge of a car most of us all own?

Or tell us wtf?
 
Posted by 351w (Member # 11875) on :
 
Never got a PM from you
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351w:
Never got a PM from you
You need a PM from me to tell people on a mustang site what they might be able to learn from you?

Lol. Clown.
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
That was harsh. 351w isn't a clown. He knows more about wrenching on cars than most people here. He is being inexplicably mysterious, but that doesn't make him a clown. 351w can probably help you trouble shoot. Calling him a clown will only ensure he doesn't.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
That was harsh. 351w isn't a clown. He knows more about wrenching on cars than most people here. He is being inexplicably mysterious, but that doesn't make him a clown. 351w can probably help you trouble shoot. Calling him a clown will only ensure he doesn't.
Good. Anyone who refuses to share info on a forum that can help plenty of others is indeed, a fucking CLOWN.

There isn't a goddamn thing he can tell me that I haven't already read on the Corral or SN 100x.. which is why he is being like this.

Fucking pathetic.

[ 2019-01-07, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :
 
Relax man. People are trying to help you out on their own free time and dime. I've found I get further in life by being humble and appreciative for the gifts I'm given.
 
Posted by Blown93Snake (Member # 94) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
Relax man. People are trying to help you out on their own free time and dime. I've found I get further in life by being humble and appreciative for the gifts I'm given.
He didn't try to help. He asked me to DM him like he is some important person who wanted to fuckin' charge me for the advice.

If he had something to fucking say, tell his bitch ass to speak up, and potentially help OTHER PEOPLE as well.. but naw.

That's cool you are appreciative of the gifts you have been given.. I haven't been given anything except a run around for about a week, now.. but hey.

This is where someone with good intentions to help another would do so, without being asked, without NEEDING to be sent a fucking DM, and obviously, as you pointed out earlier, is a problem many other members could likely find useful..

But nope. Typical douchebag CAford members.. that's why this place is fucking dead and the guys who started it and had fun all left and this is what's left of it. Shame.

Also.. relax? Lol. Plenty relaxed.. this is how i've always been. I don't find it exciting people hoarde info on a public forum for ~25 year old cars lots of us have and could use the info about.. Nothing changed since about 20 years ago when I signed up here.. except people back then tried to help just because..

[ 2019-01-07, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Blown93Snake ]
 
Posted by 351w (Member # 11875) on :
 
I was the first to reply to your thread to see why you needed help, I also followed along and after reading about your issue with the car I thought I could offer some advice since I had a similar issue, whether or not I wanted to share with everyone is my personal decision so I asked that your shoot me a PM so we could talk about it, that never happened, I actually checked my email a few times to see if I got a PM from you but never did, I don’t check in on the site daily, but hey whatever, good luck with your car, hope you get it figured out.
 




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