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Posted by KARATExxCHUCK (Member # 12851) on :

How do some of you guys get out of smogging your cars? I am tired of smog and do not want to want to smog my car anymore!

Can anyone help me out?

Charles [patriot]

Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :

Buy new or classic car

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

^^^^ old school.... I heard something about cali raising the smog limit year, but it could be all wishful thinking

Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :

Quit voting for Politicians who support/believe Climate Change.

Posted by Sinister Mustang (Member # 13889) on :

I made the change to a classic. Do whatever you want.

Posted by 70stang351w (Member # 9948) on :

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
^^^^ old school.... I heard something about cali raising the smog limit year, but it could be all wishful thinking

Been hearing that for a few years now? the "rumor" i heard was to 96 smog exempt

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

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Originally posted by 70stang351w:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
^^^^ old school.... I heard something about cali raising the smog limit year, but it could be all wishful thinking
Been hearing that for a few years now? the "rumor" i heard was to 96 smog exempt

I highly doubt they'd move it to 1996. I would appreciate if they moved it to 1986 though. [Big Grin]

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

just bought a scion tc last week and had to smog it...failed the initial, but passed the retest. what a pain in the ass! merica

Posted by flores24v (Member # 10586) on :

Smog exempt diesel!!

Posted by theconductor (Member # 13458) on :

Buy CARB legal parts?

Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :

Make it a historical vehicle of its old enough and be done

Posted by flores24v (Member # 10586) on :

ANyone Need smog hit up Neight oN here through Pm

[ 2016-10-15, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: flores24v ]

Posted by Poisond Pony (Member # 5141) on :

Move lol

Posted by Blow_U_In_Reverse (Member # 12298) on :

I dont think there's any way of avoiding smog if ur car requires it.. only way to get rid of the smog headache is to get rid of the car that needs to be smog compliant, and buy something thats smog exempt.. but the catch even with "presmog" cars is that Any/All emissions equipment must remain intact if it came with it from the factory..

Posted by KARATExxCHUCK (Member # 12851) on :

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Originally posted by Blow_U_In_Reverse:
I dont think there's any way of avoiding smog if ur car requires it.. only way to get rid of the smog headache is to get rid of the car that needs to be smog compliant, and buy something thats smog exempt.. but the catch even with "presmog" cars is that Any/All emissions equipment must remain intact if it came with it from the factory..

Which year of the classic mustangs came with smog equipment, all of them?

Posted by Blow_U_In_Reverse (Member # 12298) on :

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Originally posted by KARATExxCHUCK:

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Originally posted by Blow_U_In_Reverse:
I dont think there's any way of avoiding smog if ur car requires it.. only way to get rid of the smog headache is to get rid of the car that needs to be smog compliant, and buy something thats smog exempt.. but the catch even with "presmog" cars is that Any/All emissions equipment must remain intact if it came with it from the factory..
Which year of the classic mustangs came with smog equipment, all of them?

It wasnt exactly "smog equipment" but a lot of the classics came with EGR & stuff..

Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :

Retarding timing is the secret to passing the sniff test. Any V8 running about 20 degrees total and a pair of cats will pass clean.

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

I register a few cars in a special county in cali... no smogg after initial test. [Big Grin]

I think there's only a few of them.

[ 2016-10-18, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: 68dustin ]

Posted by MUSTTANGUY (Member # 2251) on :

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
I register a few cars in a special county in cali... no smogg after initial test. I think there's only a few of them.

Some of your foothill counties like San Andreas and Calaveras only require smog with change of ownership.

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

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Originally posted by MUSTTANGUY:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
I register a few cars in a special county in cali... no smogg after initial test. I think there's only a few of them.
Some of your foothill counties like San Andreas and Calaveras only require smog with change of ownership.

Posted by Blue92 (Member # 8789) on :

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Originally posted by 68dustin:

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Originally posted by MUSTTANGUY:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
I register a few cars in a special county in cali... no smogg after initial test. I think there's only a few of them.
Some of your foothill counties like San Andreas and Calaveras only require smog with change of ownership.

Well, there goes the secret. lol

[ 2016-10-18, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: Blue92 ]

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

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Originally posted by Blue92:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:

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Originally posted by MUSTTANGUY:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
I register a few cars in a special county in cali... no smogg after initial test. I think there's only a few of them.
Some of your foothill counties like San Andreas and Calaveras only require smog with change of ownership.

Well, there goes the secret. lol

no.. cause that isn't my county.. lol. I got a house in my secret county lol.

Posted by Blue92 (Member # 8789) on :

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Originally posted by 68dustin:

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Originally posted by Blue92:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:

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Originally posted by MUSTTANGUY:

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Originally posted by 68dustin:
I register a few cars in a special county in cali... no smogg after initial test. I think there's only a few of them.
Some of your foothill counties like San Andreas and Calaveras only require smog with change of ownership.

Well, there goes the secret. lol
no.. cause that isn't my county.. lol. I got a house in my secret county lol.

Most of my family is in Calaveras County. [Wink]

Posted by theconductor (Member # 13458) on :

My dad lives in Healdsburg. No smog test required after purchase.

Posted by MUSTTANGUY (Member # 2251) on :

I have property in Murphys (Calaveras county)

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

Lake county here.. [Razz]

Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :

Please register your vintage hotrod vehicles in the gray counties listed on this map http://smogcheck.ca.gov/pdf/Program_Map.pdf Avoid orange ones. The gray counties only require smog when you change ownership. The government has no justification to restrict Sunday cruisers.

The less timing you run, the lower your hydrocarbon and NOx numbers will be. Just under 20 degrees timing total will pass the sniffer on most cars.

[ 2016-10-20, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: Martinna ]

Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :

Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

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Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

That all sounds great but its not reality about breathing "fresh" air; its about money, nothing less. They'd like you to think that though.

So in all these smog free counties, apparently they don't care about people breathing in polluted air? I thought each and every person makes a difference and counts? How could they possibly not care about the people in smog free counties?? All those city officials in those counties should be fired immediately and comply with CARB NOW!!

Certainly those people are just as susceptible to getting lung cancer like the rest of us in the bay area?

What about passing a sniffer but not visual? Isn't it what comes out of the exhaust pipe what matters? Isn't that what we breathe?

If my car now has better performance, burns cleaner and uses less fuel, isn't that better for the environment? If I now get 25mpg instead of 23, isn't that a good thing? Times that by millions of people doing it, now that would make a difference.

All these other countries don't do any of this and pollute the $#@& out of the world. We breathe all that at some point. The real problem is over population and nothing is being done about that. The more people, the more resources are used, the more problems.

People need to start thinking before they have kids nowadays, or how many you should have.

Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :

9cobra7 makes good points.

50 Deep -------- no one daily drives cars made in the 80s anymore. There is no reason the government requires smogs on the few 1980s cars on the road. The same is becoming true of cars made in the 90s. 50 Deep is right. SMOG is no longer about clean air. It's about taxes, which people call revenue these days. Do you really think there are that many 20+ year old cars still on the road every day to pollute your fresh air? Or is the pollution coming from those diesel buses driving around your city all day with plumes of black smoke coming out, with only three people inside? Or is the pollution coming from hundreds of thousands of newer VW cars with rigged computer code to pass the sniffer? The SMOG system is rigged folks.

The only people I know of in support of the SMOG revenue industry do so because their pay checks depend on it. They're on the take.

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:

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Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.
That all sounds great but its not reality about breathing "fresh" air; its about money, nothing less. They'd like you to think that though.

So in all these smog free counties, apparently they don't care about people breathing in polluted air? I thought each and every person makes a difference and counts? How could they possibly not care about the people in smog free counties?? All those city officials in those counties should be fired immediately and comply with CARB NOW!!

Certainly those people are just as susceptible to getting lung cancer like the rest of us in the bay area?

What about passing a sniffer but not visual? Isn't it what comes out of the exhaust pipe what matters? Isn't that what we breathe?

If my car now has better performance, burns cleaner and uses less fuel, isn't that better for the environment? If I now get 25mpg instead of 23, isn't that a good thing? Times that by millions of people doing it, now that would make a difference.

All these other countries don't do any of this and pollute the $#@& out of the world. We breathe all that at some point. The real problem is over population and nothing is being done about that. The more people, the more resources are used, the more problems.

People need to start thinking before they have kids nowadays, or how many you should have.

You're right, it's like everything else in this country, money driven. I've already smogged my BMW 3 fucking years in a row because of some BULLSHIT ass computer problems(supposedly my test never got sent to the state) but what the fuck am I suppose to do when I NEED my stickers or else I get tickets?

Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :

Pound the keyboard and rant all you want boys. As the law stands the path of least resistance to the OP's problem is to put smog legal parts on his car. But by all means keep fighting the good fight and have the headache every two years. I played that game when I was younger and it's just not worth it.

The value of enjoying my car 24/7/365 without worry of going to the referee or blowing increased carbon emissions into the air as I drive by a park where kids play is worth he extra 40hp that nobody cares about

Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on :

I agree that clean air benefits all of us. But, if California's emissions laws were really about the clean air that kids playing in parks are breathing, then there would be tailpipe emission tests only. If the engine runs clean, but I have non CARB parts on it, I fail smog. It's a state money grab.

I do not take offense to tailpipe emission testing. But visual tests have little to no relevance to OUR air quality.

[ 2016-10-21, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: phildog ]

Posted by SVT_AMRIT (Member # 11311) on :

My sister lives in Mendocino county and she doesn't have to smog after 5 years. If you register your car depending on the county you wouldn't have to until 5 years I think chico is the same I could be wrong though

Posted by JZTRK (Member # 7641) on :

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Originally posted by Martinna:
Retarding timing is the secret to passing the sniff test. Any V8 running about 20 degrees total and a pair of cats will pass clean.

you can do this and fail when the tech checks timing with his light

Posted by stanger00 (Member # 13818) on :

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Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

We'll run out of water before we run out of 'fresh' air

Posted by Martinna (Member # 12493) on :

JZTRK --- Not advocating anything in this thread, but anyone that has worked on a car knows there are many ways around this.

VW showed the world the timing advance can be limited by reprogramming the computer.

The ability of the computer to advance the timing can be disabled.

The timing tape on the balancer can have an offset.

Rely on the laziness of a tech that doesn't want to look on a rusted balancer. A bright paint mark on an old rusted balancer will be good enough for the tech to assume the mark represents 10 BTDC.

Those are just four ways to limit the timing to just under 20 degrees. Everyone knows just under 20 degrees total timing puts out clean NOx and HC numbers no matter what. People here can think of more ways. Not advocating any one of them.

I suspect the lone person advocating for tighter emissions regulations has financial ties to the SMOG industry. Full disclosure, I do not have financial ties for or against the SMOG industry. People should disclose financial ties if they want their unreasonable claims taken seriously.

Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :

He's probably someone who respects the laws that the people have put in place. Might not agree with the law but the law is the law unless you can change the law then trying to manipulate the system will continue to be more difficult than just following the law.

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