Originally posted by its50:
I figure its time I get in much better shape.i stated the gym and went for 2 weeks but wanna get super serious.any recommend supplements or pre work out shakes????any info would be greatly appreciated thx guys
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quote:+1, and none of those protein shakes and supplements are regulated by the FDA.
Originally posted by adower:
Just eat clean. Dont spend money on protein shakes. They have too many cal.
quote:What the hell you need protein to help your muscles recover and build...they have low calorie shakes at max muscle. ..
Originally posted by adower:
Just eat clean. Dont spend money on protein shakes. They have too many cal.
quote:+1
Originally posted by 94 fobra:
quote:What the hell you need protein to help your muscles recover and build...they have low calorie shakes at max muscle. ..
Originally posted by adower:
Just eat clean. Dont spend money on protein shakes. They have too many cal.
quote:That's why you eat....
Originally posted by 94 fobra:
quote:What the hell you need protein to help your muscles recover and build...they have low calorie shakes at max muscle. ..
Originally posted by adower:
Just eat clean. Dont spend money on protein shakes. They have too many cal.
quote:Pre work out stuff like amino acids do work especially when your tired! Your only 19 bro you should not need it but you wait till you get older you will trust me!!!
Originally posted by i:
18 1/2 165lbs Nov 2012 (no supplements)
18 174lbs 2013 New years (no supplements)
18 181lbs 2013 Summer ( Gnc Pro Performance Amplified)
and (gnc protein powder rebuilt mass)
19 187lbs 2014 New years (Ate shit load of food No supplements)
19 197 Now as of today ( taking gnc vitamins)
Protein shakes are whatever to me but in my opinion I rather buy Meat! I understand if you don't have time to cook.
Stay away from prework out that shit is addicting, watch bodybuilding motivational videos from youtube and it's for free or bring your dre beats!
quote:Agreed, your gona wana try out different stuff to see what works for your body.
Originally posted by its50:
Thanks guys I guess the best thing to do is try out both ways and see what works betterfor me.thx guys
quote:And remember NO PAIN NO GAIN!
Originally posted by SL0BRA650:
quote:Agreed, your gona wana try out different stuff to see what works for your body.
Originally posted by its50:
Thanks guys I guess the best thing to do is try out both ways and see what works betterfor me.thx guys
quote:This^^^ pro hormones are the exact same thing as protein
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Just use steroids, it's the same shit. IMO
quote:wow really? so eating a piece of chicken breast is the same as injecting in pro hormones? I only drink protein shakes if I don't have time but usually I prep all my meals on Sunday and Wednesday nights, I go through about 10 lbs of chicken per week.
Originally posted by SantaClara_Cobra:
quote:This^^^ pro hormones are the exact same thing as protein
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Just use steroids, it's the same shit. IMO
quote:You're barley finding this out
Originally posted by blackfifty:
quote:wow really? so eating a piece of chicken breast is the same as injecting in pro hormones? I only drink protein shakes if I don't have time but usually I prep all my meals on Sunday and Wednesday nights, I go through about 10 lbs of chicken per week.
Originally posted by SantaClara_Cobra:
quote:This^^^ pro hormones are the exact same thing as protein
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Just use steroids, it's the same shit. IMO
quote:Cheap and healthy. Believe it or not, but an 8 fl oz glass of chocolate milk after every workout helps your muscles recover!!
Originally posted by its50:
I figure its time I get in much better shape.i stated the gym and went for 2 weeks but wanna get super serious.any recommend supplements or pre work out shakes????any info would be greatly appreciated thx guys
quote:Yeah I buy a gallon of whole milk and put a scoop or 2 of chocolate whey for post workout.
Originally posted by KARATExxCHUCK:
quote:Cheap and healthy. Believe it or not, but an 8 fl oz glass of chocolate milk after every workout helps your muscles recover!!
Originally posted by its50:
I figure its time I get in much better shape.i stated the gym and went for 2 weeks but wanna get super serious.any recommend supplements or pre work out shakes????any info would be greatly appreciated thx guys
Charles
quote:Dairy fat is the worst fat you can possibly consume. Go with almond milk and buy whey protein isolate to help your muscles recover faster.
Originally posted by SLOWBACK 67:
quote:Yeah I buy a gallon of whole milk and put a scoop or 2 of chocolate whey for post workout.
Originally posted by KARATExxCHUCK:
quote:Cheap and healthy. Believe it or not, but an 8 fl oz glass of chocolate milk after every workout helps your muscles recover!!
Originally posted by its50:
I figure its time I get in much better shape.i stated the gym and went for 2 weeks but wanna get super serious.any recommend supplements or pre work out shakes????any info would be greatly appreciated thx guys
Charles
Check out the buff dude's youtube channel for some cool protein snacks and meals.
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quote:For the record I was joking about steroids. Being the same as protein.
Originally posted by cpthowdy:
Wow soo much horrible advice for getting fit on here.
OP, join bodybuilding.com and you'll find every single thing you need to know about getting in great shape
I follow their advice and got me down to a ripped single %bf.
Remember, this is cafords, not cafordsNhealth
quote:everyone's body is different just because my body reacts to something doesn't mean OP's body will react the same. I agree with the fact that supplements will only work if your diet is stout hence the name supplement. I get all my protein from chicken breast, lean ground turkey, Bison and tilapia I don't use a meal replacement whey protein. bodybuilding.com is the best way to get advice no matter what your goal is.
Originally posted by brandon151:
so many misconceptions here, its ridiculous. protein powders are a waste of money if you dont have a healthy diet already. supplements are only there to supplement something in your healthy diet that you arent getting. protein is not what helps your muscles recover, food and its by product glucose is. the only thing protein does for your muscles is supply them with amino acids which help stop your muscles from catabolizing. amino acids do work somewhat as a pre workout though, as in they help in not letting your muscles break down while working them. chocolate milk is one of the best post workout drinks you can possibly have. while working out you deplete your blood glucose and muscle glycogen the only way for your muscles to recover and work again is to re fuel the glucose/glycogen. pure protein with water is not a good example of that. chocolate milk has protein (whey and casein) fat, carbs, and sugar which is exactly what you need post workout.
fun fact: a great pre workout is a piece of fruit (apple, banana, orange) they are high in carbs and sugar which will boost your blood glucose for a short period of time helping you go longer.
quote:I agree with about 99% of this, but I don't think that 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight is necessary, unless you're hyper-anabolic (aka steroids, etc). To me, extra protein included in the diet makes sense, as it is a 'clean' caloric intake (assuming lean meats), and that may be where the perceived benefit above the typical 0.8g/lb ceiling comes into play. But shooting for a specific "300g/day" goal that you're only able to reach by topping off with a protein shake at the end of the day is unnecessary; again, other than taking in incidental additional calories, I'm not sure there's much of a point. Plus, it's pretty amazing to see how much fat is in some of the protein powders that are available at alot of the stores.
Originally posted by Mr.10psi:
If you wanna be serious its a lot more work than you think.I live this shit day in day out.First off get on a diet plan and only have 1 shake a day thats an isolate cuzz it absorbs faster than any protein out there with simple carbs to replinish glycogen levels.The rest of the day you want to be eating 5 solids meals with lean sources of protein ,complex carbs, and good fats.Its all about hitting those macros and getting the nutrients in.take a multi,some fish oil and bcass with some creatine monohydrate just make sure you do a loading phase if required.take 1.5 grams of protein per body pound and eat 500 cals above your caloric maintence. the diet should be roughly 50/30/20 percent from carbs to protein to fats. Avoid crossfit if your trying to get big its more of a fad.not worth it.i wouldnt recomment preworkouts as alot of them are loaded with caffein and stimulants and that shit aint too good for you.goodluck op cuzz its a really hard lifestyle to do youll know when you try it.
quote:The only way to see gains - and the physiological point of lifting weights - is to 'damage' your muscle fibers by stressing them with load. Taking in AA pre-workout won't keep the body from breaking down the muscles. Having enough protein (amino acids) in your diet ensures that the body won't begin to catabolize muscle for fuel, but it's not protective against the stresses you place on them in the gym.
Originally posted by brandon151:
amino acids do work somewhat as a pre workout though, as in they help in not letting your muscles break down while working them.
quote:you are right on the fact that i dont know his goals i thought he was trying to put on mass which is why i recommended the 500 calorie surplus to gain 1 lb a week for muscle mass if he wants to lose weight eat 500 calories below maintence to lose 1 lb a week no shit you dont need 5 to 6 meals a day to lose weight rookie you can lose weight on 1 meal or even 2 or 3 or 20 meals does not matter at all its all about calories in calories out you either burn more than you take in or you eat below your maintence so meals dont matter its not broscience theres a reason why bodysbuilders use supplements and Whole Food also.ask any real dedicated lifter/bb who takes supplements and you cant beat an isolate protein shake post workout cuzz its the fastest digesting and thats what you want post work out.pm me if you need advice cuzz you need it anybody else also
Originally posted by brandon151:
the things i just read... SMH
eating 5-6 small meals a day is a myth to help you lose weight. correct me if im wrong but one of you said to eat 500 more than your caloric maitenence?! that would be fine if someone was trying to bulk. but no where did he say he was bulking, and you have no idea what his goals are so take your bro science back to bodybuilding.com with the rest of the amatuers.
now phil a made some good points. if you have a solid diet there is no need for ANY supplements. a good diet consists of a balance of all your nutrients. sleep is HUGE. and BCAA's isoleucine, leucine and valine do work as pre workouts to an extent because like you stated amino acids do help your body not catabolize your muscles for fuel. hence why a lot of pre workout drinks have bcaa's in them. one last problem about drinking protein powders is that they arent regulated so whats on the back i can almost guarentee you isnt whats in it, and there is a chance (everyone is different) that your body will not abosorb all the nutrients from the powder because it is in a liquid form. thats also why using a juicer or blender is not as good as eating solid fruits and vegetables.
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quote:Are you one of those people who believe the hype of IIFYM (if it fits your macros which means basically you can eat anything you want as long as it fits your macronutrients at the end of the day). I'm not assuming you do but your saying that its not necessary to eat 5-6 small meals a day, but yet the best bodybuilders and Men's Physique competitors all eat clean and consume 5-6 meals a day.
Originally posted by brandon151:
Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.
quote:I agree. I try and eat 3 main meals a day with snacks thru out the day. I drive a truck most of the day so being able to eat and drive is a must.
Originally posted by blackfifty:
quote:Are you one of those people who believe the hype of IIFYM (if it fits your macros which means basically you can eat anything you want as long as it fits your macronutrients at the end of the day). I'm not assuming you do but your saying that its not necessary to eat 5-6 small meals a day, but yet the best bodybuilders and Men's Physique competitors all eat clean and consume 5-6 meals a day.
Originally posted by brandon151:
Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.
quote:You are very sure of yourself aren't you.
Originally posted by brandon151:
absolutely not, "flexible dieting" is what they call that (its a joke). IIFYM is usually just a good place for people to start, studies have shown that people who track what they eat have better success towards their goals. there is literally no difference between eating 5-6 meals a day or eating 3 meals a day though, in the end youre getting the same amount of calories and macros. the reason why most body builders eat so many meals per day is cause they need those calories to lift as much as they do. those guys are eating an insane amount of food so theres no way they could get it all in 3 meals.
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quote:Nice! Good info bro, you sound like you really know your stuff. I tend to eat 6 meals a day when I have the time but often times I'll have to combine two meals or eat twice within a two hour window to finish my macros at the end of the day. However I do eat clean and the flexible eating fad is just a fad it wont stay for long.
Originally posted by brandon151:
yes, yes i am... only because i study all these topics on a daily basis and i go to school for this shit. what you read on the internet and what you read in professionally written books are two different stories. fitness and nutrition is my career, so i spend most of my time re searching a finding the real facts instead of reading topics on bodybuilding.com
quote:Yes sir if you eat 500 cals you will get fatter but at the same time you will be putting on muscle if your eating sleeping and training right.that is why ppl do a bulk,to make the best gains you have to put on fat that is why there is a bulk which is called offseason and then you cut all the fat off but try to retain as much muscle mass as possible by slow dieting and not crash dieting and the midsection is the 1st place fat storage normally occurs and its the last place to lose it and that starts to go away around 15%bf depending on your build whether your an ecto meso or endo.as you get older your metabolism slows down making it harder for you to lose that weight than when you were younger that is why you must be activie or follow some type of plan to lose that weight and if your only 300-500 cals below maintence then you roughly should be losing .5to 1 lb a week max.in my honest opinion if your trying to put on the most muscle 150 to 200 cals surplus is a waste way to small of a surplus atleast 300-500 over maintence is where its at try it and get those gains homie.
Originally posted by SLOWBACK 67:
If I eat 500 over I will get fatter. I really only consume 150-200 over and I will go as much as 300-500 below to loose weight. It's harder for me to loose it then gain it now that I'm older.
Trying to loose 15 pounds of fat in my mid section...... That fucking last spot to loose!
quote:You dont have a reason to argue bud everything i said is on par i gaurantee you every one of your bodybuilder buddys that lifts with no supplements is not stepping on olympia stage huh?Guess jay and ronnie and all those guys dont know what there doing and they dont need supps and yes i know there on all kinds of crap but at the end of the day you will never find a top bodybuilder or even physique guy that does not take supplements ever.no need to eat 6 times a day if your not a lifter other wise 4 meals is fine but eating 3 meals a day when being serious is a joke your shoving to much protein down your throat for your body to break down at one time.I hope you really arent iifym cuzz thats just another excuse to eat bs for the weakminded lifters if it were that easy everyone would be doing it.
Originally posted by brandon151:
Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.