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Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
Just got my rate plans for 2014, starting December my family rates are almost double. Sure seems like this fucking idiot wants all self employed people out of business. Must be great that I will have to pay $1200 a month for absolutely shit benefits that require me to foot the bill for every dr. visit up to 6k a year in individual costs while illegals will still continue to get shit for free!!! Fuck you Obama, and all your stupid ass supporters who continue to drive this country to shit!!!
 

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Posted by 75 chevy (Member # 6717) on :
 
you serious? those numbers don't really make sense??
 

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Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
dead serious! If i was to buy a comparable healthcare plan to that of which most can get through their employer I would be over 2k
 

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Posted by TEXAS (Member # 11875) on :
 
Obama FTW!
 

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Posted by 75 chevy (Member # 6717) on :
 
Are we going to war? Bankrupt? Or rob the people for healthcare?
 

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Posted by TEXAS (Member # 11875) on :
 
Just found out I get to pay more in taxes now, OBummer!
 

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Posted by sinisterblk (Member # 8425) on :
 
Im saying this half facetiously, but more and more its the way you have to do things. If you are going to be a creator, innovator, i.e. own your business; and not work for a county, state, federal department or a large corporations half subsidized by the gov't, Cash is fucking king...again this is in jest, than you go out and get your paid for entitlements because you apparently have no income. Although, I worry about the day when currency is no longer a tangible commodity and it only exists in electronic form. Ayn Rand is becoming more and more prophetic.
 

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Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
I guess it would almost be cheaper to pay the 2500 penalty and take a chance with no insurance. Or you could just renounce your citizenship, become and undocumented citizen & hit the emergency room for free service.
 

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Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :
 
It's simple mathematics. You CANNOT provide health insurance for 30 million more people who don't have it or don't want it without raising the insurance rates for those that have it. When Obama said insurance rates would go down, you could keep your current doctor's and current insurance, he was either a lying SOB or the stupidest mother fucker on the planet. I think it's both.

[ 2013-09-29, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: John91coupe ]
 

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Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 

 

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Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :
 
So..... who benefits from Obamacare?
 

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Posted by WILDMAN97 (Member # 9138) on :
 

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Originally posted by 75 chevy:
Are we going to war? Bankrupt? Or rob the people for healthcare?

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Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
So..... who benefits from Obamacare?

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Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
So..... who benefits from Obamacare?

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Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
So..... who benefits from Obamacare?

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Originally posted by losbadgts:
The issue is that everytime there is some change we and my self included we react ether negative or positive. Now what I don't get is why canada and other countries don't have an issue giving free health care. Also to make it clear undocument people would not benefit from this.

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Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
So..... who benefits from Obamacare?

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Originally posted by 75 chevy:
Are we going to war? Bankrupt? Or rob the people for healthcare?

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All of the above.

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Originally posted by 75 chevy:
Are we going to war? Bankrupt? Or rob the people for healthcare?

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All of the above.

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sad thing is its coming. this statement resembles a bottle of coke after shaking it for about an hour straight....question is, who and when will the cap be twisted off..shits coming aint no doubt about it...

+3 on the above comment..

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Originally posted by Camara90:
stop feeling sorry for the bottom feeders???!!!

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Stop watching FOX news as it's melting what's left of your brain.
By the way, It's the other way around.;The so called "bottom feeders" are getting shit on and with Obama care, there will be less shit thrown onto the bottom feeders and that's a good thing. I say fuck yeah for Obama care and fuck you the republican party.

I say fuck you republicans, I wipe my ass on your party as you fucks only care about sucking the dicks of the rich and the defense contractors and could care less about Americans how die because they have no health care insurance.


This messaage has been brought to you by Cobraracer46 in the great state of California where liberals run the show, guns are banned, the NRA gets shown the door and most importantly, were Obama care faces no opposition!

Fuck FOX news and the Tea party too!







 

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Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :
 

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Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
So..... who benefits from Obamacare?

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The unemployed jackwagon thieves lurking on this site.
 

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Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on :
 
Obama 2016! FTW!! Give him a 3rd term

[ 2013-09-29, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: 88cobraclone ]
 

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Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camara90:
stop feeling sorry for the bottom feeders???!!!

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Stop watching FOX news as it's melting what's left of your brain.
By the way, It's the other way around.;The so called "bottom feeders" are getting shit on and with Obama care, there will be less shit thrown onto the bottom feeders and that's a good thing. I say fuck yeah for Obama care and fuck you the republican party.

I say fuck you republicans, I wipe my ass on your party as you fucks only care about sucking the dicks of the rich and the defense contractors and could care less about Americans how die because they have no health care insurance.


This messaage has been brought to you by Cobraracer46 in the great state of California where liberals run the show, guns are banned, the NRA gets shown the door and most importantly, were Obama care faces no opposition!

Fuck FOX news and the Tea party too!

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Camara90:
stop feeling sorry for the bottom feeders???!!!

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Stop watching FOX news as it's melting what's left of your brain.
By the way, It's the other way around.;The so called "bottom feeders" are getting shit on and with Obama care, there will be less shit thrown onto the bottom feeders and that's a good thing. I say fuck yeah for Obama care and fuck you the republican party.

I say fuck you republicans, I wipe my ass on your party as you fucks only care about sucking the dicks of the rich and the defense contractors and could care less about Americans how die because they have no health care insurance.


This messaage has been brought to you by Cobraracer46 in the great state of California where liberals run the show, guns are banned, the NRA gets shown the door and most importantly, were Obama care faces no opposition!

Fuck FOX news and the Tea party too!

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Camara90:
stop feeling sorry for the bottom feeders???!!!

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Stop watching FOX news as it's melting what's left of your brain.
By the way, It's the other way around.;The so called "bottom feeders" are getting shit on and with Obama care, there will be less shit thrown onto the bottom feeders and that's a good thing. I say fuck yeah for Obama care and fuck you the republican party.

I say fuck you republicans, I wipe my ass on your party as you fucks only care about sucking the dicks of the rich and the defense contractors and could care less about Americans how die because they have no health care insurance.


This messaage has been brought to you by Cobraracer46 in the great state of California where liberals run the show, guns are banned, the NRA gets shown the door and most importantly, were Obama care faces no opposition!

Fuck FOX news and the Tea party too!

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Originally posted by John91coupe:
It's simple mathematics. You CANNOT provide health insurance for 30 million more people who don't have it or don't want it without raising the insurance rates for those that have it.

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Meanwhile, your piece of shit Republican congrassman who ARE BLOCKING OBAMA care enjoy 1000% free tax payer funded government healthcare.

Simply put its fuck up that there are many Americans without health coverage and therefore get sick and die because they cant afford to see a doctor while at the same time, these no good filthy greedy fuckin republicans mooch off us by enjoying free health care.

This country has some serious health problems. The US ranks 37th in life expectancy and health costs way too much. In japan, an ambulance ride is free. here in the US, it costs 1800. In Canada, health care is free, in the US it costs a lot.

Simply put the republicans dont give a fuck and have no solution to the USA health crisis.

 

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Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
^ Yup only the republicans have free healthcare. You're a fucking joke. Why don't you just leave troll and never come back. Nobody here wants you around anyways. Take your fucking subframe write up and shove it up your smug ass.
 

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Posted by i (Member # 12534) on :
 
ron paul 2016
 

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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
So what happens if you already have insurance through your employer? What then? We had someone from HR come and try to explain this to us but she was more confused than I am. I understand those who would profit from this plan but what about those not in the list that already have insurance. I also heard the penalty for not having insurance the first year is $300 deducted from your tax returns.
 

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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
Its sad that many americans cant afford healthcare specially in this country. To give an idea on how much hospital charged and I know cause I work in one. A simple IV bag cost at most $5. But if it gets used for a patient he gets charged $105. Its not so much obamacare its big companies taking advantage and fucking up the middle man.
 

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Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :
 

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
So what happens if you already have insurance through your employer? What then? We had someone from HR come and try to explain this to us but she was more confused than I am. I understand those who would profit from this plan but what about those not in the list that already have insurance. I also heard the penalty for not having insurance the first year is $300 deducted from your tax returns.

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This is where it gets really confusing. Most employers don't completely understand it either. I think a lot depends on how much more it will cost the employer for your insurance. There are no hard numbers for that yet but lots of studies have said it will increase and in some cases increase a LOT. I think employers will have the option to swallow the cost increase, pass it on to you by some percentage, drop your coverage and pay the penalty (probably cheaper then paying for the insurance). In that case you will need to find your own and pay for it yourself or pay a penalty. Or the employer may choose to reduce your hours below 30 and make you a part time employee. In that case they are not responsible to insure you. This option is being used by large numbers for new workers. Not exactly sure but it's like 8 to 1 part time for every full time new hire. It's a cluster fuck of monumental proportions!



One estimate of the cost changes.

[ 2013-09-30, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: John91coupe ]
 

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Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :
 

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Originally posted by losbadgts:
Its sad that many americans cant afford healthcare specially in this country. To give an idea on how much hospital charged and I know cause I work in one. A simple IV bag cost at most $5. But if it gets used for a patient he gets charged $105. Its not so much obamacare its big companies taking advantage and fucking up the middle man.

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That's one of the justification for Obamacare. The big markup for stuff like that is to cover the costs of people using the emergency room for care that don't have insurance. I paid $5 for a single tablet of 400mg Magnesium one time (well my insurance paid it) and a whole bottle of 50 cost $7 in a drug store. Only time will tell whether the increased cost for Obamacare is greater then the cost of inflated emergency care prices but for sure the health insurance companies are loving it either way.
 

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Posted by dean-93 (Member # 9401) on :
 
heres for you cobraracer

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/28/obama-administration-to-spend-45m-on-cops-in-schools/

and just not fox news http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/30/obama-shifts-45m-armed-cops-schools-la-nra/

looks like the nra and republicans had it right all along
 

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Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
California and 9 other States Where Obummercare Wipes Out Existing Health Care Plans.

http://www.thecalreport.com/2013/09/30/california-and-9-other-states-where-obamacare-wipes-out-existing-health-care-plans/
 

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Posted by cemelevu (Member # 10601) on :
 
" 1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s third largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll."

These are pretty staggering #s

Hey cobraracer, how you like these stats?
 

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Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :
 
CobraRacer (and others who take similar views) - gotta tell you how this stuff is experiencing people directly, in the real world in actual hands-on situations. I was at work today (I'm in Ohio for the next six weeks), and I heard some of the huge downsides of the new healthcare system being explained by an OBGYN to one of his patients. Now, you can call his political affiliation into question, but I guess I'd just ask you to try and look at how this stuff actually affects the PATIENTS in all aspects of healthcare.

Under the new legislation, some of the previously-instituted routine healthcare screening is now going to be rationed. By that, I mean that mammograms, Pap smears, PSA levels, etc, are now going to be regulated such that routine screening will be started later and ended earlier in an attempt to save government spending. Rationing healthcare on the basis of evidence-based medicine has its merits - and yea, sure, if routine screening costs $XX dollars and saves 'only' one or two lives outta 10,000 - it kinda makes sense....until you or your family member becomes one of those casualties. From an economics standpoint, sure, some of it does make sense. But at the same time, there's an awful lot that doesn't. I'd like to hear your response - however rational or irrational - just to see if you're willing to drop some of the hatred and propaganda and see things from an actual hands-on point-of-view.

Thanks
Phil
 

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Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 
Yup my health care just jumped up from 1525 to 1750 a month for some basic ass coverage... I'm done with this shit!!!
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
I'm cringing at what it will now cost me to insure my family I thought it was already too high fml
 

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Posted by BLK66FB (Member # 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
In japan, an ambulance ride is free. here in the US, it costs 1800. In Canada, health care is free, in the US it costs a lot.

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There is nothing free bro. You think the ambulance driver in Japan is a volunteer? You think all the doctors in Canada work for fuckin beer eh?

The money comes from somewhere and in the Obama care instance it is coming from us in the form of higher premiums.

I'm not a cold heart. There are some instances where I believe some should qualify for subsidized health care, but Obama care has way to many loop holes and ways for people to take advantage.

I'm sure the government will do a great job running health care, look at the fantastic job they do with other institutions like the DMV, Social Security, Public Education etc... /sarcasm
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

 

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Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :
 
And just think these idiots are already pushing for the country to elect Hilary in 2016, there's a great f'n idea!
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Lol at Cobraqueer for thinking shits free.
 

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Posted by BLK66FB (Member # 8282) on :
 
Hey Cobraracer,

I found that free ambulance ride you were talking about...looks legit.

http://youtu.be/-D2bUJlX_oQ
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

 

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Posted by cemelevu (Member # 10601) on :
 
I just checked my cost (monthly deduction from my paycheck) for next year. I am fortunate that I work for a large company. Only increased $5.00 per month. I do feel for the small business owners and self employed. But as Obama said in one of his speaches, "You didn't earn that"

I guess the real cost is going to be when we file our taxes.

[ 2013-10-01, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: cemelevu ]
 

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Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :
 
The way Obummercare is supposed to work.



The way it will actually work.



 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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I wipe my ass on that worthless and misleading map you sorced from "poor richard's news.com, a super conservitve pro republican site that only exists to spew right wing nonsense from the anus of the Republican Party.


The actual real data for Obama care:



By the way, I was right about the Republicans fucking us. Thanks to the greedy, selfish no good shitty crooked Repupulicans, Our federal Government is now partially shut down.


 

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Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
Yeah because everyone wants a high deductible.
I hope you get hit by a truck.
 

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Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
Disregard any memes Cobraracer post. He has in the past put up incorrect/false memes. Just like the dems always do. Lie, Lie, and Lie some more.
 

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Posted by 408LIGHTNING (Member # 7447) on :
 

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Originally posted by phil a:
CobraRacer (and others who take similar views) - gotta tell you how this stuff is experiencing people directly, in the real world in actual hands-on situations. I was at work today (I'm in Ohio for the next six weeks), and I heard some of the huge downsides of the new healthcare system being explained by an OBGYN to one of his patients. Now, you can call his political affiliation into question, but I guess I'd just ask you to try and look at how this stuff actually affects the PATIENTS in all aspects of healthcare.

Under the new legislation, some of the previously-instituted routine healthcare screening is now going to be rationed. By that, I mean that mammograms, Pap smears, PSA levels, etc, are now going to be regulated such that routine screening will be started later and ended earlier in an attempt to save government spending. Rationing healthcare on the basis of evidence-based medicine has its merits - and yea, sure, if routine screening costs $XX dollars and saves 'only' one or two lives outta 10,000 - it kinda makes sense....until you or your family member becomes one of those casualties. From an economics standpoint, sure, some of it does make sense. But at the same time, there's an awful lot that doesn't. I'd like to hear your response - however rational or irrational - just to see if you're willing to drop some of the hatred and propaganda and see things from an actual hands-on point-of-view.

Thanks
Phil

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Originally posted by ItzStock:
I just talked to my dad. He just got his letter in the mail that his incurance price is going to increase by 87%

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I just talked to my dad. He just got his letter in the mail that his incurance price is going to increase by 87%

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God damn.

Come on cockracer, where is your socialist response to this. Real fucking people being affected by your socialist party...

Again I am thankful for now I am a worker bee for a large corporation. Not proud, just doing what I need to do for now for my family.
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Lol Cobraqueer is mental, that map came from CNN.
 

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Posted by 408LIGHTNING (Member # 7447) on :
 
SIGN ME UP

 

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Posted by Robb (Member # 9444) on :
 
I feel sorry for all the small business owners/self employed folks. They are really trying to screw people over to the max.
 

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