Lets try this again....What will it make? Posts your guesses *TUNED WITH VIDEOS*

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

Going to try and tune it next week. The old motor made 520rwhp or 620hp to the flywheel on 91 pump gas.

460 Block D9TE
-Scat 532 Crank
-Eagle H Beam Rods
-Probe Pistons dished .280

Heads
Edelbrock Performer 460 CJ Heads #61649
-75cc Combustion Chamber
-310cc Intake
-100cc Exhaust
Valve Diameter
-2.20in Intake .343
-1.76in Exhaust .343
-0.700in max valve lift
-1.54in spring diameter(outside)
Comp Cams Ultra Pro Magnum Chromoly steel CCA-1630-16
-1.7 Ratio

Intake
Edelbrock Victor Jr 460 #2966
-2.16x1.88 port size

Carb
Holly 4150 4 Barrel Double Pumper
-950CFM

Cam
Comp Cams Custom Grind
-Hydraulic
-1.73 Rocker ratio
-Intake Event 21BTC/53ABC
-Exhaust Event 64BBC/16ATC
-Duration 254intake/260exhaust
-Lift(INCHES) (lobe).371i/.374e (valve) .641i/.647e
Comp Cams Lifters 8934-16
-Hydraulic roller
-Outside dia. 0.874in
Comp Cams push rods 7983-16
-8.000

Water Pump
Meziere Water pump Mez-WP108
-35GPM flow

Fuel System
Holley 510-12-815-1
-140gph
-14psi max
Holley Fuel Regulator HLY-12-704
-4.5-9psi

Ignition
MSD Billet Distributor MSD-8580
-Magnetic trigger
-Mechanical Advance
MSD 6AL MSD-6420
-Spark output 105-115 Millijoules
MSD Coil MSD-8202

Misc
-Moroso Street/strip 7qt Oil Pan 20620
-Canton Stud girdle Canton21-066
-Melling Oil pump M84DHV

[ 2013-09-10, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]

Posted by slidewayz94 (Member # 3101) on :

232 HP and 187 tq [burnout]

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by slidewayz94:
232 HP and 187 tq

lol i hope not

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

transmission is going to make a huge difference.

Posted by stock fox (Member # 9211) on :

Spoilers and stickers also help give it that extra hp [burnout]

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

624rwhp

Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :

673 hp 594tq

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

what have you added or changed from your old build?

that looks like maybe 540rwhp with a c6. and 580rwhp with a manual. just guesses.

[ 2013-09-07, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: MauriSSio ]

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
what have you added or changed from your old build?

that looks like maybe 540rwhp with a c6. and 580rwhp with a manual. just guesses.

I put a bigger cam, ported and polished the heads, better roller rockers, and made the oil pump better.

Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :

Should make another 30-40 to the tire. You still fighting fires Dana?

Posted by i (Member # 12534) on :

quote:
Originally posted by stock fox:
Spoilers and stickers also help give it that extra hp

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
Should make another 30-40 to the tire. You still fighting fires Dana?

Yea I am still although we got 2 inches of rain a week ago so nothing is going on now and we're not up to go off forest right now.

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
what have you added or changed from your old build?

that looks like maybe 540rwhp with a c6. and 580rwhp with a manual. just guesses.
I put a bigger cam, ported and polished the heads, better roller rockers, and made the oil pump better.

i see. what do the heads flow now?

Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :

627RW & 600TQ

Posted by 98 ROUSH (Member # 10309) on :

595wrhp 607wrtq

Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :

612 RWHP 630 TQ

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
what have you added or changed from your old build?

that looks like maybe 540rwhp with a c6. and 580rwhp with a manual. just guesses.
I put a bigger cam, ported and polished the heads, better roller rockers, and made the oil pump better.
i see. what do the heads flow now?

Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :

583.4 RWHP

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

All washed and ready to go!

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

550 and 610

Carb is too small.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

I hope it makes more than the old motor, I'll be happy with that. Would be cool to have a big block street car make 600rwhp without any power adders though.

Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :

i was curious if the fuel pump was to small. anyways im not into dyno bench racing but i can def geuss it will be fun!

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
i was curious if the fuel pump was to small. anyways im not into dyno bench racing but i can def geuss it will be fun!

I might put a bigger fuel pump in it this winter but only cause i read reviews that the pump i have isn't as good as i can get.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

Car made 548rwhp and 549rwtq. Max HP was at 5900rpms Max TQ was at 3200rpms and flatlined all the way to 6,000rpms. [Eek!]

I'll post some videos in a few.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

http://youtu.be/iUDh2ocJE9I

Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :

Not bad, not bad at all. [Whoo Whooooo!]

What kind of port work did you get. I'd like to see more flow from the exhaust side. Maybe a bigger carb also.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Not bad, not bad at all. What kind of port work did you get. I'd like to see more flow from the exhaust side. Maybe a bigger carb also.

I just got the intake ported, they were kinda weird looking like edelbrock didn't finish the job. They cleaned the exhaust a bit.
Tuner said my carb was fine, but wasn't sure on my fuel pump. We did a pressure check of it on a run and it kept up fine.
Also since this is a different dyno than AED's i am kinda curious what my numbers would be on AED's dyno. Might take it there and do a quick run just to see what she puts down.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

http://youtu.be/c6ifl0-PiX4

Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Not bad, not bad at all. What kind of port work did you get. I'd like to see more flow from the exhaust side. Maybe a bigger carb also.
I just got the intake ported, they were kinda weird looking like edelbrock didn't finish the job. They cleaned the exhaust a bit.
Tuner said my carb was fine, but wasn't sure on my fuel pump. We did a pressure check of it on a run and it kept up fine.
Also since this is a different dyno than AED's i am kinda curious what my numbers would be on AED's dyno. Might take it there and do a quick run just to see what she puts down.

You took it to motor machine that's why..Dons a great dude no doubt and knows his shit but his dyno reads low...seen it with multiple cars and he swears everyone else's is wrong lol,if I'm wrong ill stand corrected but by the look of the checkered floor you went to motor machine...

Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :

Please take her to AED as is untouched and see what she puts down..I've been wanting to do this comparison forever but with a car that makes over 500 rw and see the dyno differences...

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.

Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.

This!

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SIC9250:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Not bad, not bad at all. What kind of port work did you get. I'd like to see more flow from the exhaust side. Maybe a bigger carb also.
I just got the intake ported, they were kinda weird looking like edelbrock didn't finish the job. They cleaned the exhaust a bit.
Tuner said my carb was fine, but wasn't sure on my fuel pump. We did a pressure check of it on a run and it kept up fine.
Also since this is a different dyno than AED's i am kinda curious what my numbers would be on AED's dyno. Might take it there and do a quick run just to see what she puts down.
You took it to motor machine that's why..Dons a great dude no doubt and knows his shit but his dyno reads low...seen it with multiple cars and he swears everyone else's is wrong lol,if I'm wrong ill stand corrected but by the look of the checkered floor you went to motor machine...

Yeah i went to Motor Machine, Don tuned it last time i wanted him to tune it again this time.
Its weird that different machines give different numbers, i thought it was easy to measure HP but i guess every company has different graphs.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.

He didn't talk shit about your dyno and i know about those numbers, dyno numbers are just bragging numbers.

I would like to make a run on your dyno though just to compare.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.
He didn't talk shit about your dyno and i know about those numbers, dyno numbers are just bragging numbers.

I would like to make a run on your dyno though just to compare.

I wouldnt bother long as your happy and I guarantee if you take it to the track it won't hook anyway

Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.
He didn't talk shit about your dyno and i know about those numbers, dyno numbers are just bragging numbers.

I would like to make a run on your dyno though just to compare.

yes, recently, Donnie has talked shit AED's dyno when he was dynoing Finn's car there....saying it read high blah blah blah...especially after my buddy put down over 1000RW on AED's dyno...

for comparison...had a friend dyno at AED and put down 687RW....about 2 months later, we went down South to a Dynojet and it put down 702RW on the same tune

and you're right though..dyno numbers are jsut bragging numbers..almost as bad as people who will take those dyno numbers and convert them Flywheel HP to brag...

[ 2013-09-11, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: CornOil_&_Boost ]

Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :

Great numbers! I'd be more than happy.

Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Car made 548rwhp and 549rwtq. Max HP was at 5900rpms Max TQ was at 3200rpms and flatlined all the way to 6,000rpms.
I'll post some videos in a few.

forgot to mention..great numbers BTW...6000RPM is screaming for that big block

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by CornOil_&_Boost:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.
He didn't talk shit about your dyno and i know about those numbers, dyno numbers are just bragging numbers.

I would like to make a run on your dyno though just to compare.
yes, recently, Donnie has talked shit AED's dyno when he was dynoing Finn's car there....saying it read high blah blah blah...especially after my buddy put down over 1000RW on AED's dyno...

for comparison...had a friend dyno at AED and put down 687RW....about 2 months later, we went down South to a Dynojet and it put down 702RW on the same tune

and you're right though..dyno numbers are jsut bragging numbers..almost as bad as people who will take those dyno numbers and convert them Flywheel HP to brag...

I meant he wasn't talking shit when I was there.

Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by CornOil_&_Boost:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.
He didn't talk shit about your dyno and i know about those numbers, dyno numbers are just bragging numbers.

I would like to make a run on your dyno though just to compare.
yes, recently, Donnie has talked shit AED's dyno when he was dynoing Finn's car there....saying it read high blah blah blah...especially after my buddy put down over 1000RW on AED's dyno...

for comparison...had a friend dyno at AED and put down 687RW....about 2 months later, we went down South to a Dynojet and it put down 702RW on the same tune

and you're right though..dyno numbers are jsut bragging numbers..almost as bad as people who will take those dyno numbers and convert them Flywheel HP to brag...
I meant he wasn't talking shit when I was there.

main thing is..as long as you're happy...

your car is going to be a tire burning machine regardless..

and it put down 550RW through an unlocked auto...which is pretty damn awesome especially for a street car

Posted by iceman302 (Member # 7180) on :

I'm pretty sure he's still running a 5 speed Tremec box.

Nice numbers, Dana!

[ 2013-09-11, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: iceman302 ]

Posted by MR. STALLION (Member # 374) on :

quote:
Originally posted by CornOil_&_Boost:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Don always talks shit about my Dyno. He's full of it.
My Dyno reads extremely comparable to a DynoJet. (Within 1/2% in most cases)

3 weeks ago I tuned a 2012 GT M6 with base Paxton kit on E85 and it put down 727SAE on my Dyno. Yesterday I finished up remote tuning a 2012 GT M6 with the same Paxton kit on the same pulley on E85 at GTR down south and it put down.....728SAE with the same timing and fuel curve.

A chassis Dyno is a tuning tool, nothing more. The only numbers that matter come on a time slip that's titled 'Sacramento Raceway'.
He didn't talk shit about your dyno and i know about those numbers, dyno numbers are just bragging numbers.

I would like to make a run on your dyno though just to compare.
yes, recently, Donnie has talked shit AED's dyno when he was dynoing Finn's car there....saying it read high blah blah blah...especially after my buddy put down over 1000RW on AED's dyno...

for comparison...had a friend dyno at AED and put down 687RW....about 2 months later, we went down South to a Dynojet and it put down 702RW on the same tune

and you're right though..dyno numbers are jsut bragging numbers..almost as bad as people who will take those dyno numbers and convert them Flywheel HP to brag...

This is very true.
We would get the same comment with our dyno.
Mustang guys said it read low, vette guys said it was high.....as they were comparing numbers to other cars with "similar" mods.
We here have done comparisons with cars that come thru here. And I personally have had cars come here from other shops....with dyno sheets....and i've strapped them down and run them with the no changes.....and have seen as much as a 50rwhp difference.
As long and the car runs great, makes good power, and timeslips get lower....dyno numnbers are just ego convos.

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

548rwhp is still good even through a manual. i bet you'd see some power gains by going with a 1050 dominator or an 1150. what was the final a/f ratio?

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
548rwhp is still good even through a manual. i bet you'd see some power gains by going with a 1050 dominator or an 1150. what was the final a/f ratio?

This and add some fuel pump.

Besides a/f ratio what was the vacuum reading if any at wot and peak torque or hp, I bet there was a tiny bit of vacuum.....

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
548rwhp is still good even through a manual. i bet you'd see some power gains by going with a 1050 dominator or an 1150. what was the final a/f ratio?
This and add some fuel pump.

Besides a/f ratio what was the vacuum reading if any at wot and peak torque or hp, I bet there was a tiny bit of vacuum.....

i didn't get to see the vac.
12.8 A/F

Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :

quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
548rwhp is still good even through a manual. i bet you'd see some power gains by going with a 1050 dominator or an 1150. what was the final a/f ratio?
This and add some fuel pump.

Besides a/f ratio what was the vacuum reading if any at wot and peak torque or hp, I bet there was a tiny bit of vacuum.....

Hey Dan

Do you ask about vacuum at WOT because that'd mean that the engine is trying to pull more air through the ports or carb than they'll allow? And if so, this'd indicate that there's power being left on the table due to this/these restrictions?

In my limited understanding of dynos, is it accurate to say that, regardless of what it makes on this dyno vs that dyno, as long as the tune is optimized, it'll run the same numbers at the track? And thus the only difference is the amount of 'resistance' on a certain dyno affecting the hp/tq numbers?

Thanks

Phil

Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :

Oh, and nice numbers Dana

Out of curiosity, what does your car weigh? Any plans to take it to Sac Raceway when the weather cools off a bit? I'm outta state at the moment - what's the temps been lately? Still hot?

Phil

Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :

quote:
Originally posted by phil a:
Oh, and nice numbers Dana

Out of curiosity, what does your car weigh? Any plans to take it to Sac Raceway when the weather cools off a bit? I'm outta state at the moment - what's the temps been lately? Still hot?

Phil

Still hot. Waiting for it to cool down myself.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by John91coupe:

quote:
Originally posted by phil a:
Oh, and nice numbers Dana

Out of curiosity, what does your car weigh? Any plans to take it to Sac Raceway when the weather cools off a bit? I'm outta state at the moment - what's the temps been lately? Still hot?

Phil
Still hot. Waiting for it to cool down myself.

Yeah I am planning on running it at the track again this fall.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

I should have set up the GoPro inside the car so I could look at all the gauges. Only gauges I really paid attention to was the oil pressure and fuel pressure.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by phil a:

quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
548rwhp is still good even through a manual. i bet you'd see some power gains by going with a 1050 dominator or an 1150. what was the final a/f ratio?
This and add some fuel pump.

Besides a/f ratio what was the vacuum reading if any at wot and peak torque or hp, I bet there was a tiny bit of vacuum.....
Hey Dan

Do you ask about vacuum at WOT because that'd mean that the engine is trying to pull more air through the ports or carb than they'll allow? And if so, this'd indicate that there's power being left on the table due to this/these restrictions?

In my limited understanding of dynos, is it accurate to say that, regardless of what it makes on this dyno vs that dyno, as long as the tune is optimized, it'll run the same numbers at the track? And thus the only difference is the amount of 'resistance' on a certain dyno affecting the hp/tq numbers?

Thanks

Phil

When a carb becomes a restriction typically you will see vacuum at wot.

There are variables and what not but basically that's what happens.

I don't, however, know how these would affect air fuel ratio if at all. I've never seen it with my own eyes

I have seen a 6400rpm 306 pull vacuum with a Holley 650 hp

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

i was just wondering at what
fuel ratio the car made most power at. i want trying to make a correlation between that and the carb size or vacuum. a lot if people on 460 Ford.com seem to make best power at the low 13 to mid 13's for air to fuel. most cars though i see today (modern engines) seem to be tuned for 12.8 or so.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:
i was just wondering at what
fuel ratio the car made most power at. i want trying to make a correlation between that and the carb size or vacuum. a lot if people on 460 Ford.com seem to make best power at the low 13 to mid 13's for air to fuel. most cars though i see today (modern engines) seem to be tuned for 12.8 or so.

I know. My mention of carb size and vac wasn't directed towards u bro

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

My max A/F ratio was 12.8

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