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Originally posted by blkfoxbody89:
Contact Sacstangdriver. He has a shop, is Very reasonably priced, and KNOWS his shit. I would HIGHLY recommend him. Plus he has excellent feedback from many members here.

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Originally posted by rdiaz89:
I have been in contact with sacstangdriver regarding my gear install. didn't know he did longtubes install as well, I will be in touch with him.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I would advise against going with long tube headers on a 4.6 mustang as they are not smog legal, may cause ground clearance issues and could develop leaks.

I will be installing a set of JBA shorty headers on my 2001 Cobra next week and before anyone says "go long tubes or go home"

check out this thread:

JBA DOHC Cobra shorty headers VS Kooks long tube headers

I'll say it again, if we are talking about a street car here in Northern California, you will be making a big mistake installing long tube headers on your 4.6 mustang.

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i didnt see if he had cams or not, but adding cams to a 2v 4.6L adds an additional 20rwhp
my boy went from 280rwhp full bolt on with cams added long tubes w/ matching o/r x and hit 305rw
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
Cobraracer46/\ go buy a Prius ya vagina longtubes FTW

[ 2013-07-11, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I would advise against going with long tube headers on a 4.6 mustang as they are not smog legal, may cause ground clearance issues and could develop leaks.

I will be installing a set of JBA shorty headers on my 2001 Cobra next week and before anyone says "go long tubes or go home"

check out this thread:

JBA DOHC Cobra shorty headers VS Kooks long tube headers

I'll say it again, if we are talking about a street car here in Northern California, you will be making a big mistake installing long tube headers on your 4.6 mustang.

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Fuck smog, ground clearance is an issue no matter what exhaust you have when your cars lowered and my long tubes have never leaked.

Care to spew anymore bullshit out your mouth?

 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
Lets not forget te sound quality with longtubes,can't fake that!! Nothing like a modular with longtubes and quality exhaust,u wanna worry about smog with a mustang go buy an air hog an flows and be like every other mustang runnin around,Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!
 

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Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cobraracer46/\ go buy a Prius ya vagina longtubes FTW

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HAHAH Cobraracer's fallopian tubes for the win!


 

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Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Lets not forget te sound quality with longtubes,can't fake that!! Nothing like a modular with longtubes and quality exhaust,u wanna worry about smog with a mustang go buy an air hog an flows and be like every other mustang runnin around,Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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Thats why I live in RENO!
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by Boss 327:

quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I would advise against going with long tube headers on a 4.6 mustang as they are not smog legal, may cause ground clearance issues and could develop leaks.

I will be installing a set of JBA shorty headers on my 2001 Cobra next week and before anyone says "go long tubes or go home"

check out this thread:

JBA DOHC Cobra shorty headers VS Kooks long tube headers

I'll say it again, if we are talking about a street car here in Northern California, you will be making a big mistake installing long tube headers on your 4.6 mustang.

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Fuck smog, ground clearance is an issue no matter what exhaust you have when your cars lowered and my long tubes have never leaked.

Care to spew anymore bullshit out your mouth?

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Boss 327:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I would advise against going with long tube headers on a 4.6 mustang as they are not smog legal, may cause ground clearance issues and could develop leaks.

I will be installing a set of JBA shorty headers on my 2001 Cobra next week and before anyone says "go long tubes or go home"

check out this thread:

JBA DOHC Cobra shorty headers VS Kooks long tube headers

I'll say it again, if we are talking about a street car here in Northern California, you will be making a big mistake installing long tube headers on your 4.6 mustang.

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Fuck smog, ground clearance is an issue no matter what exhaust you have when your cars lowered and my long tubes have never leaked.

Care to spew anymore bullshit out your mouth?

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Alright tough guy, how is mod motor mustang going to get past a smog inspection here in Northern California?

Long tube headers do hang lower than factory exhaust set up and that's a fact. Congrats on having a long tube set up that does not leak.

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
wanna worry about smog with a mustang go buy an air hog an flows and be like every other mustang runnin around,Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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Props to you for being committed enough to spend the time and money for a header swap every two years just to run long tubes on your 4.6 Mustang here in California. Jugging by your reasoning, I'm guessing that you are probably some young kid.

Just when you think you have heard the most stupid shit, CAFords comes to the rescue with nonsense like this thread.
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
27 actually,judging by your grandpa statements your some old man who bitches about smog legal parts and loud exhaust GTFOH with that bullshit you vagina im just not lazy to work on my car and choke it up to pass emissions every 2 years for a day to get it smogged.......
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
wanna worry about smog with a mustang go buy an air hog an flows and be like every other mustang runnin around,Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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Just when you think you have heard the most stupid shit, CAFords comes to the rescue with nonsense like this thread.

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Lol you were the one who posted bullshit NON-SENSE about how longtubes are not the route to go and how your modified mustang should pass emissions in ca..rofl go stick your dick ina catalytic converter

[ 2013-07-11, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
GTFOH with that bullshit you vagina im just not lazy to work on my car and choke it up to pass emissions every 2 years for a day to get it smogged.......

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Apperantly you don't know the diffrence between being smart VS working hard.


Enjoy your bi- annual header swaps! I know I wouldn't

[ 2013-07-11, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
The work was hard the first or second time...it's a breeze and a good time with buddies now..your just an idiot if you really think longtubes are a waste of time an not worth the work,done arguing-
 

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Posted by NK2186 (Member # 12319) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
GTFOH with that bullshit you vagina im just not lazy to work on my car and choke it up to pass emissions every 2 years for a day to get it smogged.......

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Apperantly you don't know the diffrence between being smart VS working hard.


Enjoy your bi- annual header swaps! I know I wouldn't

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quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
GTFOH with that bullshit you vagina im just not lazy to work on my car and choke it up to pass emissions every 2 years for a day to get it smogged.......

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Apperantly you don't know the diffrence between being smart VS working hard.


Enjoy your bi- annual header swaps! I know I wouldn't

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Being smart? You ride your bicycle to work in spandex with your cameltail showing bro. Nothing smart about that. If you don't want to beast out your ride trade it in for a civic. Going short tubes cause your afraid of smog, gtfo here.
 

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Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :
 
I've had my longtubes installed for well over a year N have not had one ground clearance issue or leaks! Sounds badass to! Longtubes, offroad x+magnaflows FTMFW!!!!
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
GTFOH with that bullshit you vagina im just not lazy to work on my car and choke it up to pass emissions every 2 years for a day to get it smogged.......

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Apperantly you don't know the diffrence between being smart VS working hard.


Enjoy your bi- annual header swaps! I know I wouldn't

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Being smart? You ride your bicycle to work in spandex with your cameltail showing bro. Nothing smart about that. If you don't want to beast out your ride trade it in for a civic. Going short tubes cause your afraid of smog, gtfo here.

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Posted by SacStangDriver (Member # 8304) on :
 
Ha. Cobraracer is a vagina
 

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Posted by SLOWFOX (Member # 11067) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
GTFOH with that bullshit you vagina im just not lazy to work on my car and choke it up to pass emissions every 2 years for a day to get it smogged.......

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Apperantly you don't know the diffrence between being smart VS getting fucked hard.


I Enjoy my anal beads,and I know I wouldn't change them for the world

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Originally posted by 1sickGT:
Can anyone install longtubes on a 2013 5.0?

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AED
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by Broke4.6:
Lol he's gonna run jba shittys on his cobra and see no horsepower increase, if you want to get technical no aftermarket header is smog legal...

All my cars being ls1s or mustangs get long tubes and no cats

Just listen to this mach1 with longtubes...

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The JBA cobra shorty headers are smog legal as perCARB EO# D-216-28


Kooks Long tube headers vs JBA shorty headers on a 1999 Cobra
Kooks vs JBA Dyno Results - Surprising....
Jason Steen of Steen racing installed a set of Kooks (from JDM) headers on my 99 Cobra a little while back, and I got to the dyno today. The results were less than I expected, though should give a boost to those that wish to run shorty headers - especially the JBA's.

Relevant data:

Only change between this and previous dyno was the Kooks and matching off-road X-pipe (from JDM) vs JBA Shorty and Dr Gas off-road X.

Results: 308.7 RWHP, 291.5 RWTQ
Previous: 305.5 RWHP, 287.1 RWTQ

Same Dyno, same number of total pulls (3), approx same amount of time between runs.


CLICK IMAGE FOR LARGER VERSION

Of note, I gained 12 RWHP going from the stock exhaust manifolds to the JBA's. I was hoping the long tubes would be worth more, but alas, it wasn't to be.

However, the car is MUCH nicer inside going down the road. It is quieter and doesn't have that "resonance" nor any drone. Very nice from that perspective.

Jason said there were few fitment problems, though the X-pipe had to be coaxed onto the collectors. Also, not all the tabs that hold the collectors to the individual pipes lined up, but only one is really needed, and there are no leaks.

The headers do hang a bit low, but we also installed a UPR Tubular K-member, and I plan to raise the motor a bit, so that will have some effect (more on the Tubular K-member install at a later date - we're still sorting out the springs for the coil-overs).

Overall, I'm disappointed with the power over the JBA's, but it would not be a stretch to see an honest 15-ish RWHP over the stock exhaust "logs".

OOPS!

[ 2013-07-17, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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I swear to god some people turn out some stupid kids.
I just finished installing the JBA shorty headers on my Cobra and it wasn't too bad of a job, but it was a time consuming job and after I was all done swapping the headers, I was thinking that only a stupid mother fucker or somebody with a ton of free time on their hands would look forward to doing a modular mustang header swap every two years.

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quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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I swear to god some people turn out some stupid kids.
I just finished installing the JBA shorty headers on my Cobra and it wasn't too bad of a job, but it was a time consuming job and after I was all done swapping the headers, I was thinking that only a stupid mother fucker or somebody with a ton of free time on their hands would look forward to doing a modular mustang header swap every two years.

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Originally posted by SLOWFOX:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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I swear to god some people turn out some stupid kids.

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Fuck you cobraracer46

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Hey, I heard you the first time already.
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:

quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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I swear to god some people turn out some stupid kids.
I just finished installing the JBA shorty headers on my Cobra and it wasn't too bad of a job, but it was a time consuming job and after I was all done swapping the headers, I was thinking that only a stupid mother fucker or somebody with a ton of free time on their hands would look forward to doing a modular mustang header swap every two years.

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You should watch what comes out of that cocksucker of yours Janet, calling people names on here is not nice.

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Do you think it's a good idea to spend a ton of time by swap out headers on a modular mustang every two years just for the sake of having a "cool" sounding car?
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
Lol and what's the difference of you wasting time with your gay ass post?! I work at at a shop that has a rack,my dad owns a rack at his house and I've been doin this forever so YES u fuckn retard it is worth it to me to swap longtubes on any car of mine for smog,it comes so natural to yank a k member and install some headers it's really not that big of a deal,considering I already kno your a fuckn slow as hell wrench I wouldn't expect a dipshit like you to understand at all,shit your basically all for smog and making your car legal so that right there shows me what kinda mind state you have ...why the fuck does it matter to you wtf it is I do?! Look at the level of respect you get compared to the respect I get on this board,your a joke and everyone knows it,some old mouthy fuck tryin to keep up with young bucks who kno there shit and you don't!! Funny as hell you brought this back up to try an clown me after u did your shorty header Install yet I'm the one with all this wasted time on my hands I would love to meet you and shit on your theories and wack concepts just to see the dumb founded look on your face...keep to yourself and ill do the same I'm not goin rounds with another cafords know it all....your an idiot dude

[ 2013-07-17, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Cali's smog laws can kiss my ass ill do the extra labor to make my car stock for a day or 2 then go right back to loud and modded!!

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I swear to god some people turn out some stupid kids.
I just finished installing the JBA shorty headers on my Cobra and it wasn't too bad of a job, but it was a time consuming job and after I was all done swapping the headers, I was thinking that only a stupid mother fucker or somebody with a ton of free time on their hands would look forward to doing a modular mustang header swap every two years.

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You should watch what comes out of that cocksucker of yours Janet, calling people names on here is not nice.

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Do you think it's a good idea to spend a ton of time by swap out headers on a modular mustang every two years just for the sake of having a "cool" sounding car?

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
I work at at a shop that has a rack,my dad owns a rack at his house

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OK, I got. You like to hang out in places with a rack. Who else in your family has a rack? By the way, your posts are at a level 10 and you need to calm down and bring them to level 2.
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
Ya I like to "hang out" at places with racks i work an build hotrods alongside my Pops amd we carry the passion further by having a shop and rack at the house...I could Install longtubes on jack stands faster than you could install your shorties ona rack rookie,I'd run circles around you in a shop environment,I've grown up around hotrods and tools since I was a baby and was doin motors and trannys in the dirt growing up,i earned my way,it's In my blood and its what I know always has an always will be,don't put a judge on me like you know me faggot,I already know your an idiot that can't wrench efficiently to save your life,no wonder your all about smog old man keep talkin ill bring his shit to a 12 or 13 just stfu already and give up..

[ 2013-07-17, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
I work at at a shop that has a rack,my dad owns a rack at his house

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OK, I got. You like to hang out in places with a rack

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
I work at at a shop that has a rack,my dad owns a rack at his house

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OK, I got. You like to hang out in places with a rack

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Who doesnt like hanging out at places with racks!!! Oh Shit that's right you like to hang out with men and riding bikes in spandex........

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Lol a rare visit in gen talk from our good member haulinass and all to tell you your gay cobraracer
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Ya I like to "hang out" at places with racks i work an build hotrods alongside my Pops amd we carry the passion further by having a shop and rack at the house...I could Install longtubes on jack stands faster than you could install your shorties ona rack rookie,I'd run circles around you in a shop environment,I've grown up around hotrods and tools since I was a baby and was doin motors and trannys in the dirt growing up,i earned my way,it's In my blood and its what I know always has an always will be,don't put a judge on me like you know me faggot,I already know your an idiot that can't wrench efficiently to save your life,no wonder your all about smog old man keep talkin ill bring his shit to a 12 or 13 just stfu already and give up..

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Congrats on calling your self a fast mechanic.

One reason why I like to work on my Cobra myself is that I'm afraid that some grease monkey that has grown up around hot rods all of his life will try and wrench on it too fast and fuck something up.
 

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Posted by SLOWFOX (Member # 11067) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Ya I like to "hang out" at places with racks i work an build hotrods alongside my Pops amd we carry the passion further by having a shop and rack at the house...I could Install longtubes on jack stands faster than you could install your shorties ona rack rookie,I'd run circles around you in a shop environment,I've grown up around hotrods and tools since I was a baby and was doin motors and trannys in the dirt growing up,i earned my way,it's In my blood and its what I know always has an always will be,don't put a judge on me like you know me faggot,I already know your an idiot that can't wrench efficiently to save your life,no wonder your all about smog old man keep talkin ill bring his shit to a 12 or 13 just stfu already and give up..

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Congrats on calling your self a fast mechanic.

One reason why I like to work on my Cobra myself is that I'm afraid that some grease monkey that has grown up around hot rods all of his life will try and wrench on it too fast and fuck something up.

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quote:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
Ya I like to "hang out" at places with racks i work an build hotrods alongside my Pops amd we carry the passion further by having a shop and rack at the house...I could Install longtubes on jack stands faster than you could install your shorties ona rack rookie,I'd run circles around you in a shop environment,I've grown up around hotrods and tools since I was a baby and was doin motors and trannys in the dirt growing up,i earned my way,it's In my blood and its what I know always has an always will be,don't put a judge on me like you know me faggot,I already know your an idiot that can't wrench efficiently to save your life,no wonder your all about smog old man keep talkin ill bring his shit to a 12 or 13 just stfu already and give up..

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Congrats on calling your self a fast mechanic.

One reason why I like to work on my Cobra myself is that I'm afraid that some grease monkey that has grown up around hot rods all of his life will try and wrench on it too fast and fuck something up.

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Uh O I got you to a level 6 watch out if u take what I posted as me being a fast sloppy mechanic then again u proved your a fuckn idiot....just give up
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
Btw my term of "hotrod" is far from California kid days that's any vehicle a person has a desire to modify to make faster and better than the factory intended...
 

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Posted by t-top50 (Member # 2735) on :
 
Cobraracer46, you really should stop. You're only making yourself look dumb.

B, don't trip off this ass clown. Everyone knows you got skills and obviously he doesn't have a clue.
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
/\ thanks Aaron good lookin,I just get so tied up in my cafords battles lol,I gotta come buy some parts soon I miss ya man lol
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by t-top50:
Cobraracer46, you really should stop. You're only making yourself look dumb.

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I'm curious as to why your small mind is unable to comprehend the logic behind my posts in this thread.

I posted actual dyno numbers from a 1999 Cobra that had JBA shorty headers replaced with Kooks long tube pipes only to gain something like 2 horse power and yet you have dip shits on this site saying that only long tube headers make power.

Second, I pointed out that it's a foolish idea to swap out headers every two years to pass a smog check just for the sake of having a cool sounding car, but once again, the retards on this board think that there is nothing wrong with bi annual modular mustang header swap.
 

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Posted by Broke4.6 (Member # 9085) on :
 
so in that thread you posted "cobraracer46" he said his numbers which are
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Relevant data:

Only change between this and previous dyno was the Kooks and matching off-road X-pipe (from JDM) vs JBA Shorty and Dr Gas off-road X.

Results: 308.7 RWHP, 291.5 RWTQ
Previous: 305.5 RWHP, 287.1 RWTQ

Same Dyno, same number of total pulls (3), approx same amount of time between runs.

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Does anyone else find this incredibly LOW for a 4v with headers,pullies,cai and a tune to put down 308/291? lol

i know from experience my brothers mach 1 32v with longtubes,cai,tune put down 336/348 and ran 12.3 @ 110

with stock manifolds and xpipe/programmer he rent 12.9 did longtubes/tune went 12.4

can you explain that cobraracer46


i want to see a N/A 32v car with JBA shitty headers in the 12s .....

no go forum search and see what you come up with or better yet meet us at sacramento raceway with your car and see what you run compared to other cars with "longtubes"


peice of mind: I recently did a clutch job on an 03 cobra that had jba shortys on it and i was highly disappointed in the quality, you pay all that money for those pile of shits and you get nuts and bolts for your collectors? lol nice!

[ 2013-07-19, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Broke4.6 ]
 

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Posted by Broke4.6 (Member # 9085) on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nmunjU9nk

that guy made 331 rwhp and 327rwtq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqpCpAXfRoE

that guy made 311rwhp and 322 rwtq


what im trying to say is those numbers are obviously based off a conservative tune or no tune and then someone puts it on blast for people like yerself to believe it and tell ppl about it!

basically, you dont know what kind of tune was on that car when he did these tests so why talk like you were there, lol yer thread is whack , longtubes are provin man for YEARS!!!!

do you see racecars with shorts?? no!! why do you think? cause they put down power!!!

you talk to SIC9250 like he is some young kid when hes probably the same age as you or close to it and has built shit way nastier than you could even figure out how to operate !

just sayin
 

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Posted by t-top50 (Member # 2735) on :
 
you talk to SIC9250 like he is some young kid when hes probably the same age as you or close to it and has built shit way nastier than you could even figure out how to operate !


^^"like WHAT"

Preach on my brotha!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by FiveOhChuck (Member # 12588) on :
 
Cobraracer46 sucks ahah
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
my boy comin in this bitch with knowledge!!! I totally didnt think of that car cobraracer used for his example as having LOW ass numbers,with kooks it didnt even make over 320rw or 300ftlbs OUCH!!

[ 2013-07-20, 02:29 AM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by FiveOhChuck (Member # 12588) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
my boy comin in this bitch with knowledge!!! I totally didnt think of that car cobraracer used for his example as having LOW ass numbers,with kooks it didnt even make over 320rw or 300ftlbs OUCH!!

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Ahah you already know bro
 

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Posted by SLOWFOX (Member # 11067) on :
 
Fuck you cobraracer46
 

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Posted by cpthowdy (Member # 10055) on :
 
Only pussies run shorty headers and care about smog laws
 

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Posted by 70stang351w (Member # 9948) on :
 
www.killcarb.org

[ 2013-07-21, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: 70stang351w ]
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by Broke4.6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nmunjU9nk

that guy made 331 rwhp and 327rwtq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqpCpAXfRoE

that guy made 311rwhp and 322 rwtq


what im trying to say is those numbers are obviously based off a conservative tune or no tune and then someone puts it on blast for people like yerself to believe it and tell ppl about it!

basically, you dont know what kind of tune was on that car when he did these tests so why talk like you were there, lol yer thread is whack , longtubes are provin man for YEARS!!!!

do you see racecars with shorts?? no!! why do you think? cause they put down power!!!

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It does not matter what kind of "tune" was inside that 1999 Cobra that had the JBA headers replaced with Kooks long tubes. What is important for the sake of comparison is the fact that all the variables were the same. The only change was swapping the headers. If you don't know anything about variables and repeatability that you probably flunked your High School science classes.

When the Shorty headers on the 1999 were swapped over to long tubes, the only thing that was changed were the headers. Everything else was the same and the result was only a 2 horse power increase.

The excuse of " it needs to tuning to make the best power" is invalid. If the Kooks long tube header or any long tube header for that matter truly did make more power than shorties, than It would do so with out "tuning".

Shorty headers on a F1 race engine.

 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
/\ ya lets use a pure race design header with almost 4" primaries and absolutely ZERO exhaust piping as an example of building HP your to much man I swear,and u wanna tell people there idiots and need to go back to school lol ur a fool,seriously...what broke4.6 was ultimately reffering to was the fact that the cobra you used for your argument is a tired worn out DOHC an couldn't even make more than 310rw WITH kooks and full bolt-ons,no wonder it only lost 2 rw with shorties the car don't make power with any headers cause of A:the tune or B:the cars tired and cant make power to save itself...
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
Nhra fuel car:


Nhra pro stock WJ's headers:


NASCAR Hendricks racing:


IZOD indycar headers:


Couldn't find a pic up close but most all Monster Trucks also run a magnaflow longtube design header,they all ran shorty style zoomies for a long time until recent changes,believe me I've been to the Vegas world finals the last 6/7 years and they all run longtubes....lets not even bring up how Mercedes amg,BMW M's,Ferrari's,Vipers,and most ALL exotics either come from factory with badass longtube style headers or when they pay the $$$ for them there gaining almost upwards of 40rw..especially the vipers and amg Benz/Ferrari's!! Idk how u can truly act like longtubes are pointless,ya maybe on a WORN out cobra but shit 9.9 times outta 10 they perform better than any factory log or shorty aftermarket header!! It's been proven..I've seen N/A 32v machs and cobras gain close to 20rw with longtubes only! Broke4.6's brother did it easily also mach916 AND his cousin with a badass 98 cobra...your done man just give up.....

[ 2013-07-21, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by FiveOhChuck (Member # 12588) on :
 
Longtube FTW bitches love long tubes
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
..what broke4.6 was ultimately reffering to was the fact that the cobra you used for your argument is a tired worn out DOHC an couldn't even make more than 310rw WITH kooks and full bolt-ons,no wonder it only lost 2 rw with shorties the car don't make power with any headers cause of A:the tune or B:the cars tired and cant make power to save itself...

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
..what broke4.6 was ultimately reffering to was the fact that the cobra you used for your argument is a tired worn out DOHC an couldn't even make more than 310rw WITH kooks and full bolt-ons,no wonder it only lost 2 rw with shorties the car don't make power with any headers cause of A:the tune or B:the cars tired and cant make power to save itself...

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Nowhere in the JBA to Kooks header swap did the BOB Cosby, the NMRA racer and owner of the 1999 Cobra state that the engine was tired.
What kind of fool would swap out shorty headers for long tube headers on a tired engine and expect a horse power increase?
Your argument about a tired engine being responsible for the minimal increase in HP from the long tube header swap makes no sense.

Your "tune" argument also makes no sense. If the shorty headers are so bad then shurly the long tubes will make more power with with everything else being equal but the numbers show that long tube headers are not better than Shorties when it comes to power production. No tuning in the world would have helped the Kooks headers make more power over the JBA headers.

You have to ask your self, If you added timing and took away fuel after swapping to long tubes, it could be possible to gain a hair more power, but you could do the same thing with the JBA headers on the car. The point about the tune hurting power on the KOOKS headers is invalid; Not what people with long tube headers like to hear, but those are the facts.

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Post a picture of the dyno graph
 

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Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on :
 
The only thing fast on cobraracers car is his own cum catchers going 100 miles an hour
 

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Posted by SwEeT03Gt (Member # 10283) on :
 
Car might see 10-15 hp at most but that's not what's important... Look at the overall gain in flattening out the power curve. Those are better than a peak hp gain.... They also sound way better!
 

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Posted by Broke4.6 (Member # 9085) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by SIC9250:
..what broke4.6 was ultimately reffering to was the fact that the cobra you used for your argument is a tired worn out DOHC an couldn't even make more than 310rw WITH kooks and full bolt-ons,no wonder it only lost 2 rw with shorties the car don't make power with any headers cause of A:the tune or B:the cars tired and cant make power to save itself...

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Nowhere in the JBA to Kooks header swap did the BOB Cosby, the NMRA racer and owner of the 1999 Cobra state that the engine was tired.
What kind of fool would swap out shorty headers for long tube headers on a tired engine and expect a horse power increase?
Your argument about a tired engine being responsible for the minimal increase in HP from the long tube header swap makes no sense.

Your "tune" argument also makes no sense. If the shorty headers are so bad then shurly the long tubes will make more power with with everything else being equal but the numbers show that long tube headers are not better than Shorties when it comes to power production. No tuning in the world would have helped the Kooks headers make more power over the JBA headers.

You have to ask your self, If you added timing and took away fuel after swapping to long tubes, it could be possible to gain a hair more power, but you could do the same thing with the JBA headers on the car. The point about the tune hurting power on the KOOKS headers is invalid; Not what people with long tube headers like to hear, but those are the facts.

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Originally posted by Broke4.6:
P.S


i hope i get to meet you one day cobraracer46 lol just so i can see what kind of guy you are! i bet you drive a fuckin prius when your not in your SMOG legal cobra

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Nothing wrong with a Prius, but when I'm not behind the wheel of my smog legal Cobra, I ride a bicycle.

By the way, I hope I don't ever get to meet you in person.
 

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Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
Cobraracer you are a known lair and bullshit spewer that has posted skewed facts.. You need to link any "facts" you claim to have/seen. Do not post only a screen shot. We know you like to only put up half of the stats.
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
All I read is "nothing wrong with a Prius and I ride bicycles" rofl...

[ 2013-07-22, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
 

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Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 
Still no graph?
 

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