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Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Going to media blast the car and put the aje k member in it next week. Will also be putting an 03/04 cobra IRS in it.

[ 2015-07-03, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: 70mach351 ]

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

My guy will media blast it and epoxy primer it for $800.

Dan

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Thanks Dan, I already bought 600 lbs of media, goin to give it a whirl myself.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
Thanks Dan, I already bought 600 lbs of media, goin to give it a whirl myself.

My man!

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Thanks Dan, I already bought 600 lbs of media, goin to give it a whirl myself.

Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :

That should turn out nice!! What are you using for the job? Shells, sand?

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

glass, crushed wine bottles are 10 bucks a bag from grit guys

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

This is the fun part [Big Grin]

Are you going with a 03/04 Cobra motor as well?

Maybe a Coyote swap? [Wink]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

More than likely a coyote swap unless a cobra or Shelby motor surface for a good deal

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

Im subscribed! Keep us posted

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
More than likely a coyote swap unless a cobra or Shelby motor surface for a good deal

My take on this.

I debated over this alot with my wifes new 69 camaro.

Remember back in the day when 5.0 SEFI (1990s and up) or the 5.7L TPI (late eighties and up) were the way to go in the old school muscle car swaps and hot rods (to have EFI and overdrive) well, now those are played out.

Then came the cobra swaps. Starting to get played out, people wanting coyotes now.

Then came the LS1 swaps. Those getting played out, people wanting LS2,3,6,7s.

Well in years come by, thats gonna be a played out ass swap and actually end up hurting the cars value in my opinion.

I think the guys that left the big blocks alone and maybe added overdrive or 6 speeds, and the guys that left the traditional small blocks alone and maybe added overdrive or 6 speeds (manual) the value will always be there.

Example:

Say you own a 1969 camaro or a 1967 fastback mustang.

In 1978 you built a bad ass big block.

In 1978 it was still cool and valuable.
In 1988 it was still cool and valuable.
In 1998 it was still cool and valuable.
In 2008 it was still cool and valuable.
In 2018, well you may not even have gasoling then but thats a different point.

Now say in 1990 you ripped the big block out of either car and put the latest small block, overdrive trans of either standard at that point, in the car.

1969 camaro= 5.7 TPI with 700R4
1967 mustang=5.0 with SEFI and AOD.

In 1978 you woulda had to have a time machine.
In 1988 it was still cool and valuable
In 1998 it was still kinda cool and valuable.
In 2008 what the fuck? Why didnt they do an LS swap?
In 2018, well you might not even be able to buy gas for it, so thats a different point.

Rant off.

Good luck Steve, either way gonna be sick.

[ October 14, 2012, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: turbo50 ]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

I hear ya. Then it will give me something else to do and put a hydrogen motor in it. The nice thing is it can be easily switched by just swapping motor mounts. I haven't bought anything yet so I still have time to change my mind 25 more times. Good luck with your surgery Dan.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
I hear ya. Then it will give me something else to do and put a hydrogen motor in it. The nice thing is it can be easily switched by just swapping motor mounts. I haven't bought anything yet so I still have time to change my mind 25 more times. Good luck with your surgery Dan.

No problem, just some input.

Things can always be changed you are right. I was just giving some food for thought.

Hydrogen for the WIN!!!!!

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

i was trying to make it a flying car, but i think my fabrication skills are not there yet, maybe with the gto.

Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
i was trying to make it a flying car, but i think my fabrication skills are not there yet, maybe with the gto.

LOL

Posted by Secnd2nun64 (Member # 1431) on :

A boss 429 would look pretty sweet n there. Who needs mpg!!

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

Big Block!

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Secnd2nun64:
A boss 429 would look pretty sweet n there. Who needs mpg!!

Thats still hybrid specs! Lol. It would look good in there.

[ October 14, 2012, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: 66_5.0 ]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

a boss 429 would be nice, however its not cheap. Ill see what presents itself as the time gets closer to put something in.

Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :

any reason your going with AJE and not something like DSE which utilizes a an SLA setup? cost?

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

i want to keep the cost below 20k for the whole build.

Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on :

Keep it Carb'd. no coyote. big block

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

to much money for big blocks. If i stay carbed it will be a cleveland unless i can find a deal on a boss or 427sohc.

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.

Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.

No Dan has a good point.
Think how the owners of the first 3v motors feel. I'd be kinda mad if my newer car made the same HP stock as a new v6!!! [Embarrassed]

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.
No Dan has a good point.
Think how the owners of the first 3v motors feel. I'd be kinda mad if my newer car made the same HP stock as a new v6!!!

Dude you're suppose to be on my team you fucker!

Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.
No Dan has a good point.
Think how the owners of the first 3v motors feel. I'd be kinda mad if my newer car made the same HP stock as a new v6!!!
Dude you're suppose to be on my team you fucker!

Well I can't support your stupid ideas ALL the time. [Smile]

I wanna see some SBF or BBF pushrod power in this thing. [patriot]

Posted by Marks93 (Member # 11130) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
i was trying to make it a flying car, but i think my fabrication skills are not there yet, maybe with the gto.

YEAH! Flux Capacitor. Now you're talking!! [Big Grin]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Well heres an update.....

Took it to the media blasters and that was a fuckin nightmare, kept getting postponed to pick up, got a call 430 today to come pick it up. My mom set up a paint booth for me and here we are. They didnt remove some of the undercoating in the rear wheel wells but ill get it with a wire wheel at a later date. Getting a plasma cutter soon and out come the shock towers.

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

Nice. The more pics the better! [Big Grin]

[ November 08, 2012, 02:33 AM: Message edited by: 66_5.0 ]

Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :

Ima bout to get an endorsment from baking-soda... Yaaaa got that crinACK!

Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :

Looks good so far... Keep us updated.. [Wink]

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

Hhat a SOLID body!

Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.
No Dan has a good point.
Think how the owners of the first 3v motors feel. I'd be kinda mad if my newer car made the same HP stock as a new v6!!!

Your only agreeing cause your car has a hard enough time keeping a motor in it!LOL

I see Dans point, but depending on what the purpose of the car is and if your building it to sell or keep id say do what you feel! truthfully if your car has gone mod motor it is still modern. or if your in the chevy area and you have gone LS1 you still have gone to an LS power plant.

most of that LS stuff is essentially the same stuff just different CID., if you start talking about LS3 thats starting to become a different animal with variable valve timing etc, but to most folks that see your car if you had a LQ4 5.3 with vette engine covers they are still going to think its vette (LS) powered.

Same goes for the fords. a lot of these older guys look at the car and go "MAN, that has one of those new mustang engines in it" so you still can win popular vote.

If you are keeping the car and decide to go pushrod go either with a standard small block or standard big block. the Cleavland will be nostalgic but you are already going to the AJE setup and the Nostalgic-ness is kind of null and void.

You will spend all this money on new distributor, headers etc. which 15-20 years from know when your motor may need a rebuild and the block is trashed and you cannot find another block you will have all these go fast parts for a damn near obsolete motor. then you are either faced with building some clevor abomination OR starting over. you could build a hot BIG CID sbf for the price or cheaper then the cleavland.

I say Do what you want, I'm still aiming for that coyote motor for my 67.

[ November 08, 2012, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: v-town coupe ]

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

DON'T put a chevy in it

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by v-town coupe:

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.
No Dan has a good point.
Think how the owners of the first 3v motors feel. I'd be kinda mad if my newer car made the same HP stock as a new v6!!!
Your only agreeing cause your car has a hard enough time keeping a motor in it!LOL

I see Dans point, but depending on what the purpose of the car is and if your building it to sell or keep id say do what you feel! truthfully if your car has gone mod motor it is still modern. or if your in the chevy area and you have gone LS1 you still have gone to an LS power plant.

most of that LS stuff is essentially the same stuff just different CID., if you start talking about LS3 thats starting to become a different animal with variable valve timing etc, but to most folks that see your car if you had a LQ4 5.3 with vette engine covers they are still going to think its vette (LS) powered.

Same goes for the fords. a lot of these older guys look at the car and go "MAN, that has one of those new mustang engines in it" so you still can win popular vote.

If you are keeping the car and decide to go pushrod go either with a standard small block or standard big block. the Cleavland will be nostalgic but you are already going to the AJE setup and the Nostalgic-ness is kind of null and void.

You will spend all this money on new distributor, headers etc. which 15-20 years from know when your motor may need a rebuild and the block is trashed and you cannot find another block you will have all these go fast parts for a damn near obsolete motor. then you are either faced with building some clevor abomination OR starting over. you could build a hot BIG CID sbf for the price or cheaper then the cleavland.

I say Do what you want, I'm still aiming for that coyote motor for my 67.

Within 8 years you will be able to buy an ecoboost turno setup v6 that makes more power and torque with better fuel economy in crate engine form..........

also the coyote will gain in cubes or drop in cubes and be standard with a blower or turbo on it.

Stay traditional if its just a cruiser IMHO

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:

quote:
Originally posted by v-town coupe:

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:

quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Don't listen to Dan they're giving him too many meds it's messing with his mind! Go Coyote it'll be dependable N put good power.
No Dan has a good point.
Think how the owners of the first 3v motors feel. I'd be kinda mad if my newer car made the same HP stock as a new v6!!!
Your only agreeing cause your car has a hard enough time keeping a motor in it!LOL

I see Dans point, but depending on what the purpose of the car is and if your building it to sell or keep id say do what you feel! truthfully if your car has gone mod motor it is still modern. or if your in the chevy area and you have gone LS1 you still have gone to an LS power plant.

most of that LS stuff is essentially the same stuff just different CID., if you start talking about LS3 thats starting to become a different animal with variable valve timing etc, but to most folks that see your car if you had a LQ4 5.3 with vette engine covers they are still going to think its vette (LS) powered.

Same goes for the fords. a lot of these older guys look at the car and go "MAN, that has one of those new mustang engines in it" so you still can win popular vote.

If you are keeping the car and decide to go pushrod go either with a standard small block or standard big block. the Cleavland will be nostalgic but you are already going to the AJE setup and the Nostalgic-ness is kind of null and void.

You will spend all this money on new distributor, headers etc. which 15-20 years from know when your motor may need a rebuild and the block is trashed and you cannot find another block you will have all these go fast parts for a damn near obsolete motor. then you are either faced with building some clevor abomination OR starting over. you could build a hot BIG CID sbf for the price or cheaper then the cleavland.

I say Do what you want, I'm still aiming for that coyote motor for my 67.
Within 8 years you will be able to buy an ecoboost turno setup v6 that makes more power and torque with better fuel economy in crate engine form..........

also the coyote will gain in cubes or drop in cubes and be standard with a blower or turbo on it.

Stay traditional if its just a cruiser IMHO

BIG BLOCK!

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

I'm leaning towards an FE. Shelby and a few others make aluminum blocks

[ November 08, 2012, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: 70mach351 ]

Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
I'm leaning towards an FE. Shelby and a few others make aluminum blocks

I guess the $20k price cap is gone? [Big Grin]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

yeah, 10k for the motor, 3k for the trany, 2k for the rear. wiring. im going 30k now. but its not a set number.

Posted by norcalfiddy (Member # 11207) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
I'm leaning towards an FE. Shelby and a few others make aluminum blocks

FE's FTW!

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Shock towers are out, have to make a sharper angle, tomorrow should have them welded up and hopefully have the k member mocked up. Working a ton this month so trying to get as much done as I can so it can go off to paint. Plasma cutter is my new favorite tool, little bit of a learning curve but it is awesome

[ November 27, 2012, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: 70mach351 ]

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

Keep it up man [patriot]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Got some more grinding and still have to fill the rest of the aprons in. Took longer than i thought didnt get to put the k member in today [Mad]

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

still have more welding and grinding to do. K member is mocked up but gonna take some shimming it looks like.

Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :

looking good! those notch plates fab'd by you OR bought?

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

i put them in. just cut them out of sheet metal with the plasma cutter

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

well 3 years later started up on it again..... suspension mocked up and got some more welding to do....

Posted by 70stang351w (Member # 9948) on :

Very Nice [patriot]

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

about time u start working on it!! lol.. that 9" I bought off you is still running strong!

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Glad to hear it!! Trying to buy a car fom copart to swap over parts

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Finally got all the sheet metal in now for smoothing and painting the engine bay and underside

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