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Depends on what your looking for, use, caliber, price? There are a ton of good guns out there.

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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
Sig sauer

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I own a 1911 sig sauer and its the shit
 

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Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :
 
Under $500 bucks and range gun, MHO I would say check out a used Glock, S&W or a Ruger and in 9mm to keep down the price of range time.
 

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Posted by SIC70STANG (Member # 4347) on :
 

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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
Sig sauer

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I own a 1911 sig sauer and its the shit

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Originally posted by 2T0NE:
sig,hk and kimber FTMFW...GO LAKERS

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He's not going to find that under 500 bucks LOL.
I'd also say a Glock in that price range in .40 or 9mm......

Oh and The Lakers can suck it!!!
 

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Posted by 306mustang (Member # 9204) on :
 
I didn't want to go over 500 since am going to be building a ar soon but I can probably do like around 800
 

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Posted by SIC70STANG (Member # 4347) on :
 
Glocks are good drug dealer guns especially when you equip them with homie sights


 

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Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :
 

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Originally posted by 306mustang:
I didn't want to go over 500 since am going to be building a ar soon but I can probably do like around 800

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Originally posted by 306mustang:
I didn't want to go over 500 since am going to be building a ar soon but I can probably do like around 800

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You're in Sac right? Check out River City Gun Exchange they sell a ton of used and Agency Trade In guns. With tax and Paperwork it's very easy to get well above $500 on a new gun.

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Originally posted by 2T0NE:
sig,hk and kimber FTMFW...GO LAKERS

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He's not going to find that under 500 bucks LOL.
I'd also say a Glock in that price range in .40 or 9mm......

Oh and The Lakers can suck it!!!

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oooops missed the 500 dollar mark,yeah sorry slowback is right not under 500 but HEs also WRONG the lakers RULE,lol
 

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Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on :
 
I bought my Taurus pt145 seven years ago and put over four thousand rounds threw it and never had it jam or anything great gun for the price....
 

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Posted by JZTRK (Member # 7641) on :
 
GSG 1911 .22 cal amo is cheap and you will get bored with its accuracy before you run out of ammo 379.99



[ May 02, 2012, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: JZTRK ]
 

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Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on :
 
u can find used guns from 4-600 hk or smith and wesson,i actually seen a used usp 40 for 600 and i came up on a smith and wesson m&p 40 with about 100 rounds threw it for 400 with 300 rounds and a safe,passed that deal on to a friend

[ May 02, 2012, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: 2T0NE ]
 

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Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :
 

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I didn't want to go over 500 since am going to be building a ar soon but I can probably do like around 800

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You're in Sac right? Check out River City Gun Exchange they sell a ton of used and Agency Trade In guns. With tax and Paperwork it's very easy to get well above $500 on a new gun.

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Yeah that's where I was plan on going tomorrow

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I didn't want to go over 500 since am going to be building a ar soon but I can probably do like around 800

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You're in Sac right? Check out River City Gun Exchange they sell a ton of used and Agency Trade In guns. With tax and Paperwork it's very easy to get well above $500 on a new gun.

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Yeah that's where I was plan on going tomorrow

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I didn't want to go over 500 since am going to be building a ar soon but I can probably do like around 800

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You're in Sac right? Check out River City Gun Exchange they sell a ton of used and Agency Trade In guns. With tax and Paperwork it's very easy to get well above $500 on a new gun.

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Yeah that's where I was plan on going tomorrow

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I've had a love/hate deal w/ RCGE. They've got a couple GREAT dudes there who know all the answers to your questions, but there's also a couple assholes as well. Keep your eyes out for the black dude Lawrence (used to work at Sac Armory) - he's real helpful and will take the time to answer your questions.

Like fstryde said, check an agency trade-in - great prices for solid guns, and the only way you'll get into a SIG for your price-point. Keep in mind ammo prices, as that'll add up pretty quickly. Understand that you'll pay nearly double for .45 over 9mm for range ammo, and if that makes a difference, don't kid yourself that it'll get any cheaper down the road

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anything sig, love the way they shoot and feel, plus never had a misfire, if it's good enough to protect the president, it's gotta be one of the best ya?

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anything sig, love the way they shoot and feel, plus never had a misfire, if it's good enough to protect the president, it's gotta be one of the best ya?

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+1 Love my sig P229 40 cal can't go wronf with it.

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Originally posted by phil a:
IMO - and probably many others here - you're not gonna beat this gun for this price: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/654_910/products_id/411548668/USED+SIG+SAUER+P220+POLICE+TRADE+w+3+MAGS

RCGE on Fruitridge has trade-ins sometimes, so check there if you'd like, but at least w/ Bud's you can avoid the sales tax!

Shooting a .45 does get expensive quick though....

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Not anymore...at least in our fucked up state of CA. The FFL doing the transfer now has to collect. I've ordered many of guns from buds, cheap prices and excellent customer service.
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 
yeah keep in mind when buying out of state you will need the following:

gun lock if not included or if you have a Ca. D.O.J. approved safe you will not need one. typically about $8-$15 depending on the shop.

Dros which is about $25

Handling fee which I have seen anywhere from $40-$150 depending on the shop.( the shops do have to keep your record for like 10 years so they will want some $$$)

and now the best part. Ca. requires gun shops to charge you tax based on the value of the Gun your getting. so there you have it!

Im acutally getting an autoloading shotgun from my cousin for a debt he has with me. but to give you an Idea I was looking at $135 if he shipped from CO. to my FFL here in Vallejo! and the $135 is just my end! luckly hes coming for a visit so we will get to do a face to face and save me $$$$!
 

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Posted by slidewayz94 (Member # 3101) on :
 
your going into a ford vs. chevy vs whatever debate.

Find a firearm that fits your hands and you can accurately shoot. Having a big ass dirty harry gun won't do shit if you can't control your weapon.
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
You can find these 40s brand new for just under the 5 look good also

 

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Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :
 

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Originally posted by slidewayz94:
your going into a ford vs. chevy vs whatever debate.

Find a firearm that fits your hands and you can accurately shoot. Having a big ass dirty harry gun won't do shit if you can't control your weapon.

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Steve you're telling me the receiving FFL has to collect sales tax for a gun shipping from out-of-state?? How in the hell does that ever apply, with the business being out of CA?

Hope that isn't the case....
 

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Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :
 
im not even gonna read all these posts...cuz MOST people will say whats best...is what they own with no real competition to offer.

kinda like..."what headers are best for my 5.0"

so...here are my top 3 for given scenario

1) best handgun ever made ?? 1911 .45 acp
2) second best ever made...and #1 best multi purpose handgun = glock 19 9mm
3)best carry gun for anyone under 300 lbs or living in alaska or elsewhere using a trench coat as daily fashion = sig p238 .380 acp


heres my glock 21 V 1911, V XDm



taurus .380 V sig





and glock 19 V glock 21


 

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Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :
 
didnt notice the $500 restriction

my sig p238 was $540 delivered WITH the ffl transfer fee

my glocks are always $515-$550

just shop or go to buds guns, and dont pay more than $20 for the transfer...free shipping and no tax from buds
 

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 
I just don't see what the big deal about glocks are? they aren't durable, my friend bougth my other friends sig just so he could have something sturdy enough to carry while he's working and not bang up (owns/works at a gun store), what is so special about the glock 19, i really would like to know.
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
^ Glocks are the AK of pistols.
I don't know why your friend feels they aren't reliable. I've been around a lot of pistols and I've seen one stovepipe out of a brand new Glock 31 one time. Honestly it could have been a badly seated round too.
I seen a story about a Glock that was in ocean for years and it still fired when they put new ammo in it.
I am a diehard 1911 guy BTW
 

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 

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Originally posted by Slowback67:
^ Glocks are the AK of pistols.
I don't know why your friend feels they aren't reliable. I've been around a lot of pistols and I've seen one stovepipe out of a brand new Glock 31 one time. Honestly it could have been a badly seated round too.
I seen a story about a Glock that was in ocean for years and it still fired when they put new ammo in it.
I am a diehard 1911 guy BTW

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your going into a ford vs. chevy vs whatever debate.

Find a firearm that fits your hands and you can accurately shoot. Having a big ass dirty harry gun won't do shit if you can't control your weapon.

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Steve you're telling me the receiving FFL has to collect sales tax for a gun shipping from out-of-state?? How in the hell does that ever apply, with the business being out of CA?

Hope that isn't the case....

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
I just don't see what the big deal about glocks are? what is so special about the glock 19, i really would like to know.

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
I just don't see what the big deal about glocks are? what is so special about the glock 19, i really would like to know.

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Are you for real?

Ok well, the metal is treated to have the hardness near that of a diamond, try to scratch it.... you'll damage whatever your trying to scratch it with. Use a key....you'll leave brass on the glock

Polymer not tuff? Sorry wrong again

As far as reliability, you can't touch a glocks reliability for anything less than almost $800 (sig,HK,FN) and they are equal

With respect to the G19 specifically it is just perfect, size for the caliber etc. There's a reason more glocks are sold than pretty much everything else combined

But im on my phone so im stopping there

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Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on :
 

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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
im not even gonna read all these posts...cuz MOST people will say whats best...is what they own with no real competition to offer.

kinda like..."what headers are best for my 5.0"

so...here are my top 3 for given scenario

1) best handgun ever made ?? 1911 .45 acp
2) second best ever made...and #1 best multi purpose handgun = glock 19 9mm
3)best carry gun for anyone under 300 lbs or living in alaska or elsewhere using a trench coat as daily fashion = sig p238 .380 acp


heres my glock 21 V 1911, V XDm



taurus .380 V sig





and glock 19 V glock 21

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
I just don't see what the big deal about glocks are? they aren't durable, my friend bougth my other friends sig just so he could have something sturdy enough to carry while he's working and not bang up (owns/works at a gun store), what is so special about the glock 19, i really would like to know.

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i HATE glocks

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I own 2 sigs, and would take another one in a heart beat.

Alquist Arms in Turlock, as well as Targetmasters in Milpitas both have 2nd hand sigs available around $500. Well worth going into. A sig 229 or 226 are probably their most versatle guns.

Example. My 229 is chambered in .40 cal, to swap to .357 sig, just need the other barrel. Uses same spring and mags. Nothing else changes. To convert to 9mm, barrel and mag. Use other spring that came with gun. Essentially you can get 3 guns, actually 4 if you count the 22 conversion, out of 1 frame.

I've been told you can use the 220 .45acp short barrel, slide, and mags in the 229 frame also. If so then make it a round 5 variations possible. And this is all the same for the 226 too.

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226r ftmfw..GLOCKS ARE HONDAS there is areason the sigs and hk are almost 1000 and glocks are 500
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
^ I don't know about that.
I didn't notice much of a diff from an HK and a Glock...... Ive held some sigs, but I've never shot one. They too seemed to be jocked real hard & I don't know why..... But like I said I've only held one and haven't shot one.

I'll stick with 1911's , revolvers & glocks.
 

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Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on :
 

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i did too...til a glock was EXACTLY what i needed.

up til about 3 yrs ago i hated them blindly...partially cuz i have kids and a wife who is uneducated about loaded guns

when i needed a carry...all of a sudden it clicked.

POINT AND SHOOT

no frills.....no nonsense....bangs EVERY time you squeeze,

and is the 5.0 of handguns (someone already said the AK47 of handguns) and my kids are 17 and 18 and shoot and respect guns now

anyways....if your a glock guy you get it...if your not...i encourage you to shoot one. you may change your mind, you may not. my current carry is a sig p238, cuz glock cant import their .380 and even if they could it'd be too big (im 5'6" and a buck

i have ALOT of stuff....my opinions arent biased as to what iown....i have also shot ALOT of stuff, full auto , silenced , you name it

but again...my opinions are just that...opinions

i try to give honest non biased info based on a little bit of experience so take it for what its worth

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Damn you is a small foo. Lol. I'm 5'9 207lbs.


Lol I think when you referred to silenced weapons that you actually meant suppressed weapons. Being that when most people that aren't in the know refer to a suppressor they usually say "silencer". Anyhow, Glock's are great guns. I have had 2 compact Gen 3 Glock 19's. I have also had a Berreta 92FS. A colt .38 super 1911. And numerous other pistols and rifles. All I can say about glocks is that they are dogshit simple to use, reliable but they do lack that "WOW" factor that a Sig 226 would have. The best modern pistol that I think is out there that us Californians can't have unless you make it a single shot, ( you have to have an FFL block the magwell ) is the Springfield XDM 9 with the 19+1 capacity. These pistols have all the ergonomics from a modern pistol that you would expect like sarations in the front part of the slide, changeable backstraps for different sized hand shooters. It is just an all around badass modern gun. There is LEO&Military personnel currently using it.
 

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Posted by 1ST0KGT (Member # 10606) on :
 
Skin Pistol, best shots ever and ammo is free lol
 

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Posted by RODRIGUEZ (Member # 9104) on :
 
Get a GLOCK and call it a day. You'll be happy trust me.
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
Ok, just cause you "held" a sig, doesn't give you room to comment on them. Shoot one. Preferably a private party weapon, not a rental. Rentals are beaten up, poor maintained, and really not a fair comparison for what they can do. Sig's are know for there back to back reliability. It's used by many law enforcement agencies because of its reliability. When your life is on the line, you want a weapon you can get on target, and trust that you can back to back put rounds where you need. Don't get me wrong, there are alot of good weapons on the market, but once you shoot one of these you will see what I'm and everyone else who owns one is talking about.

If you are in east bay and want to shoot a .40, let me know. You get rounds, I'll meet you at the lanes.
 

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Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
I have a Springfield 1911, Glock 22/23, Sig P226, s&w sigma .40, etc

I depends...it's all preference...go to a range and shoot different ones to get a feel
 

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Posted by SS396 chevelle aka fasthatch (Member # 7277) on :
 

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I just don't see what the big deal about glocks are? they aren't durable, my friend bougth my other friends sig just so he could have something sturdy enough to carry while he's working and not bang up (owns/works at a gun store), what is so special about the glock 19, i really would like to know.

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This is a joke right? Your friend works at a gun shop? I call BS or he is a Sig retailer! I have been in the military/law enforcement for the last 18 years, other then not having a safety and a lot of departments that issue Sig Sauer there is absolutely no shooter on earth that will say a Glock is not a good, durable and reliable weapon. I have fired pretty much every handgun in the law enforcement and every weapon in the Nato and Warsaw Pact inventory and I will tell you right now my Glock 23 is awesome! Yes I like Sig and yes I like S&W but that story is questionable.

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