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Posted by 68gtscode (Member # 8679) on :
 
Am I alone feeling that the word “built” is the most misused word on this forum? To answer this question, I suppose we need to define “built” in regard to Mustangs. I don’t feel a 5.0 (pushrod) engine is “built” if it has uses the stock 2 bolt block. I don’t feel a rear end is “built” if it has 28 spline axles and/or 4 lug wheels. I don’t feel a transmission is “built” if it has a 10 spline input shaft. From a lot of posts that I read on this forum, I believe most of you disagree with me.

Discuss…
 
Posted by blown doors off (Member # 10713) on :
 
100% agree. Where's the LIKE button
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
Its definitely a term that is used waaaaay too loosely.
 
Posted by Robb (Member # 9444) on :
 
So my beat down raggidy ass fox with bolt ons and an intake is not built and worth 8k dollars?

=o
 
Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :
 
I kind of have an issue with the built block part. What if dude has really good stroker assembly but no dart or boss block? I mean I really do understand the differences...one splits in half the other doesn't but idk I could be wrong. And as for the rear end moser and strange make considerably strong 28 spline axles and 5 lug is more of a preference thing. Good rims or ancient rocks is the 4 or 5 lug conversation. But either way really strong points on your end just my .02
 
Posted by SIC70STANG (Member # 4347) on :
 
Stock blocks and 28 spline rears hahhahah
 
Posted by Nastysvt (Member # 6431) on :
 
Does this count for modulars too cause my motor was built using my stock block..imo when I hear built, I automatically assume better internals. This doesn't mean because you have all the bolt ons your car has to offer makes it built
 
Posted by 5LTR SVT (Member # 7080) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nastysvt:
This doesn't mean because you have all the bolt ons your car has to offer makes it built
I guess Im not built then [Frown]

Lol
 
Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by blown doors off:
Where's the LIKE button
its on facebook [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
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Posted by JBeezy53 (Member # 3960) on :
 
I agree on everything except the block part. If it's a N/A 302/306 motor then a stronger block may not be neccessary. Now if it's forced induction then it's more than likely putting out more power than the block can handle so a stronger block is needed.

I also hate to see a car listed as "H/C/I" and it have iron GT40 heads, an explorer intake and an E cam. It may run hard for what it is but it's basically factory parts.
 
Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :
 
my stock block can handle in excess of 800hp. since i didnt upgrade its not considered built even though it has a forged rotating assembly and solid roller cam?

i think "built" includes everything necessary to handle the power youre making as well as making a good bit of power.
 
Posted by 79 cobra (Member # 10137) on :
 
so a stock block with afr heads/custom cam/ holley intake/forged eagle crank/eagle h-beam rods/diamond pistons/ fully blueprinted and balanced is not built?????


or how about a tko 500 with 10 spline and faceplatted gears from liberty thats not built???


or how about a 8.8 rear end with 28 spline/spooled/moser axles/4 lug to me thats built


not trying to start a argument but just because its the stock block or a rear end has 4 lug or a tranny has a 10 spline they still kan be built rember u get what you pay for
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
those sound rebuilt to me, but not built.

28 splines spooled and 4 lug is a hilarious waste of money, if it all came apart at least upgrade to 31 spline, lol
 
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 
Built to me would mean somthing with aftermarket parts that goes beyond just bolt ons. Like something thats built to handle some power.

[ January 06, 2012, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Boss 327 ]
 
Posted by Snakezilla (Member # 9553) on :
 
So now that my T56 has a Mcloed RXT with a D&D 26 spline input shaft and a upgraded TOB sleeve is considered Built?

[ January 06, 2012, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Snakezilla ]
 
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Snakezilla:
So now that my T56 has a Mcloed RXT with a D&D 26 spline input shaft with a upgraded TOB sleeve is considered Built?
Only if it has beefed up internals.
 
Posted by Snakezilla (Member # 9553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Snakezilla:
So now that my T56 has a Mcloed RXT with a D&D 26 spline input shaft with a upgraded TOB sleeve is considered Built?
Only if it has beefed up internals.
thats exactly was I was thinking. The sleeve and input shaft are internal but in the OP post he said if it has a 10 spline only. mine only has a 26 spline and new and upgraded TOB sleeve yet I dont consider it built... just has a few upgrades...

[ January 06, 2012, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Snakezilla ]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
My take on it is that I brush over comments like this. "Built" is a meaningless throw away comment.

Another one that comes to mind is when you see for sale ads where the owner will state something like:

Interior 8/10
Exterior 7/10

Complete horseshit commentary and if you try to decipher something from it, you are probably setting yourself up for dissappointment.

When I buy or sell, it's facts that I want.
 
Posted by Sonic96GT (Member # 9594) on :
 
Honestly it all depends on the car. 96-98 cobras have aluminum teskid blocks with forged cranks. 03-04 Mach's have WAP aluminum block with forged cranks. Both aluminum blocks if built with forged rotating assembly are capable to hold up to 1000 HP. 03-04 cobras have forged everything and people push them anywhere between 500rwhp-700rwhp. When it comes to a 5.0 pushrod. A stock 2 bolt 302 block is at its breaking point with about 500rwhp. So no matter how good your top end is, your still limited at X amount off power do to the block splitting.
 
Posted by Snakezilla (Member # 9553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic96GT:
Honestly it all depends on the car. 96-98 cobras have aluminum teskid blocks with forged cranks. 03-04 Mach's have WAP aluminum block with forged cranks. Both aluminum blocks if built with forged rotating assembly are capable to hold up to 1000 HP. 03-04 cobras have forged everything and people push them anywhere between 500rwhp-700rwhp. When it comes to a 5.0 pushrod. A stock 2 bolt 302 block is at its breaking point with about 500rwhp. So no matter how good your top end is, your still limited at X amount off power do to the block splitting.
True but they are built from Ford which is stock. IMO...
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
 
Posted by lxhatch5.0 (Member # 6319) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Snakezilla:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sonic96GT:
Honestly it all depends on the car. 96-98 cobras have aluminum teskid blocks with forged cranks. 03-04 Mach's have WAP aluminum block with forged cranks. Both aluminum blocks if built with forged rotating assembly are capable to hold up to 1000 HP. 03-04 cobras have forged everything and people push them anywhere between 500rwhp-700rwhp. When it comes to a 5.0 pushrod. A stock 2 bolt 302 block is at its breaking point with about 500rwhp. So no matter how good your top end is, your still limited at X amount off
power do to the block splitting.
True but they are built from Ford which is stock. IMO... [/
QUOTE]

Consider that Built straight from The FORD motor ©
 
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
No I wouldn't, I'm talking about a vehicle with aftermarket parts that is reliable and puts down some serious power.

My brothers Terminator has a 2.9L Whipple running on E-85 stock long block that puts down 764RWHP and 668RWTQ, would you call that stock, not built or lightly modded?

My new 408W has fully forged internals, TFS CNC'd 225 highports and I will be throwing about 12psi at it with a stock block. Should be around a reliable 650+RWHP, would you consider this stock, not built or lightly modded?
 
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
No I wouldn't, I'm talking about a vehicle with aftermarket parts that is reliable and puts down some serious power.

My brothers Terminator has a 2.9L Whipple running on E-85 stock long block that puts down 764RWHP and 668RWTQ, would you call that stock, not built or lightly modded?

My new 408W has fully forged internals, TFS CNC'd 225 highports and I will be throwing about 12psi at it with a stock block. Should be around a reliable 650+RWHP, would you consider this stock, not built or lightly modded?
I wouldnt call the Terminator built since nothing in the motor has been touched. Putting a whipple on those cars is like doing an intake swap on other stangs but the 408 is definitely built.
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
No I wouldn't, I'm talking about a vehicle with aftermarket parts that is reliable and puts down some serious power.

My brothers Terminator has a 2.9L Whipple running on E-85 stock long block that puts down 764RWHP and 668RWTQ, would you call that stock, not built or lightly modded?

My new 408W has fully forged internals, TFS CNC'd 225 highports and I will be throwing about 12psi at it with a stock block. Should be around a reliable 650+RWHP, would you consider this stock, not built or lightly modded?
I wouldnt call the Terminator built since nothing in the motor has been touched. Putting a whipple on those cars is like doing an intake swap on other stangs but the 408 is definitely built.
Ok I can agree with that [Razz]
 
Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 
I guess my drop isn't built ... Oh well ... I guess ima have to go 351 dart block to fit in
 
Posted by JUNKYARD5.0 (Member # 10398) on :
 
To me anything BUILT means you had to do more than take a few bolts or off, hence why they call h/c/i "bolt-ons". Also, to be built IMO the parts being replaced(ex.pistons,rods,cam,injectors,fuel rails, bolts) must be of higher quality than the OEM parts. Otherwise, it is just a RE-Build.

Also, you have to take into account that there are differences between Fully-Built to just Built and etc.

Just my 2 cents
 
Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 68dustin:
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I tried clicking on it but it didn't work??

[Big Grin] +1
 
Posted by Nastysvt (Member # 6431) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by JUNKYARD5.0:
To me anything BUILT means you had to do more than take a few bolts or off, hence why they call h/c/i "bolt-ons". Also, to be built IMO the parts being replaced(ex.pistons,rods,cam,injectors,fuel rails, bolts) must be of higher quality than the OEM parts. Otherwise, it is just a RE-Build.

Also, you have to take into account that there are differences between Fully-Built to just Built and etc.

Just my 2 cents
+1000 well said!
 
Posted by 92 ssp (Member # 8013) on :
 
So if the only thing stock on your car is the body lol.. everything esle as motor as boss block ,transmission,subspension,roll cage,fuel system, mean fully built???
 
Posted by JUNKYARD5.0 (Member # 10398) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 92 ssp:
So if the only thing stock on your car is the body lol.. everything esle as motor as boss block ,transmission,subspension,roll cage,fuel system, mean fully built???
Why is everyone trying to make hypothetical situations, and find loop holes for the word built. It's not like you're going to get a certificate saying the CAFords community approves your car as being built or not.

Like I said, anything that takes more than removing bolts and putting them on, like welding, cutting, buying aftermarket parts like headers, k-members, motor mounts, and everything to make your drivetrain application fit on your body and etc is built.

lastly, this is a CAR forum, if members on here don't know built vs non-built then we have a problem.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Build
1.to construct (especially something complex) by assembling and joining parts or materials: to build a house.
 
Posted by 2BlueGeeTees (Member # 4702) on :
 
Thank you!! I'm glad this was brought up. I posted this in somebodies for sale add the other day and by no means meant it in a bad way but when you call a car with H/C/I and some suspension fully built I feel a slap in the face that my all motor 11 sec 93 cobra wasn't IMO a fully built car andthe only thing left factory on it was brakes andthe engine block itself. It is way too loosely used of a term and seems to be a matter of perspective
 
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on :
 
LOL you still mad cuz i used the word built referring to my car How about this sentence I fucking took a 4 cyl mustang and used my own hands and BUILT it up! I put the cobra brake swap, master cylinder swap, engine swap, computer swap, fuel line swap, brake line swap, BUILT the motor yes its has upgraded internals I have upgraded my 5 spd to a Tremec 3550 BUILT the rear end I did all thats shit I I there fore have the right to say I BUILT that shit....you want to come and flame my post about not being buit then start this flame thread when YOU probly havent BUILT shit...BUILT BUILT BUILT lol
 
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on :
 
I bet the only reason your so mad about that word is cuz you never turned a wrench before and bought some wanna-be "built" shit that any real racing mother fucker would know the difference from...cuz we BUILD are own shit and don't buy it
 
Posted by SAV SVT (Member # 7848) on :
 
Fuck it Im STOCK!! [Confused]

Stock Block
Stock Heads
Stock Intake
 
Posted by 92 ssp (Member # 8013) on :
 
Triple b to me that's a full car built lol... to me the only people who question built cars are people that buy cars from the dealership that say muscle car on the brochure lol.. people who buy car they seen on tv an spend $1000 on a tune an say the car was built people who know me know I get my car from nothing an seen me outside putting in the hours to say I'm built my shit .. so if its not stock its built [worship]
 
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on :
 
Shit u got me! I still didn't list all the parts I've put into my car yeah let alone the time to wrench on that the counts less trips to Kargen auto and autozone
 
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on :
 
Shit u got me! I still didn't list all the parts I've put into my car yeah let alone the time to wrench on that the counts less trips to Kargen auto and autozone
 
Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
I LOVE my REbuilt 302, even tho ive only put 1.5 miles on it lol, but it was REbuilt by Turbo50 and Ssf50 lmao [Big Grin] [patriot] [Razz]
 
Posted by Y2K 281 (Member # 10132) on :
 
Built IMO represents replacing the majority of vital components with stronger components. So if an engine is built the block is obviously cleaned up or new, rotating assembly is forged or stronger than stock. When referring to the trans and rear end i would say the transmission needs to be rebuilt with better stronger components and the same goes for the rear end (31 spline axles, beefier diff, etc.) Until you have replaced major components with much stronger stuff, your shit ain't "built"
 
Posted by *BlownMach1* (Member # 5400) on :
 
BUILT = upgrading the internals with aftermarket parts to hold high horsepower! Non stock internals(stock block Block/caseing ok)

Modded= bolt on parts to support or add horsepower! Usually attached to the stock/original block/caseings! Not inside the block/case!

Stock= as the whole car came from the factory! Dont wanna hear ur car is stock and has full exhaust, gears, and pulleys! Sorry now ur modded or mildly modded!
 
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on :
 
Lol so i guess a 2004 mustang that had a elite mechanic install and build that engine with a forged Kellogg crank forged rods and diamond pistons would not be considered built!? I guess a Lamborghini or Ferrari is not built either bcuz they came factory stock blowing the doors off lol this thread is point less
 
Posted by 1ST0KGT (Member # 10606) on :
 
I have a fully built...... TOILET SEAT.. MMR estimated to handle 2500AP (Ass Power)... NOW THATS BUILT [dance]
 
Posted by 93coupessp (Member # 8418) on :
 
Who cares
 
Posted by bullitt3513 (Member # 10473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
No I wouldn't, I'm talking about a vehicle with aftermarket parts that is reliable and puts down some serious power.

My brothers Terminator has a 2.9L Whipple running on E-85 stock long block that puts down 764RWHP and 668RWTQ, would you call that stock, not built or lightly modded?

My new 408W has fully forged internals, TFS CNC'd 225 highports and I will be throwing about 12psi at it with a stock block. Should be around a reliable 650+RWHP, would you consider this stock, not built or lightly modded?
I wouldnt call the Terminator built since nothing in the motor has been touched. Putting a whipple on those cars is like doing an intake swap on other stangs but the 408 is definitely built.
thats an expensive intake [Smile]
 
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 68gtscode:
Am I alone feeling that the word “built” is the most misused word on this forum? To answer this question, I suppose we need to define “built” in regard to Mustangs. I don’t feel a 5.0 (pushrod) engine is “built” if it has uses the stock 2 bolt block. I don’t feel a rear end is “built” if it has 28 spline axles and/or 4 lug wheels. I don’t feel a transmission is “built” if it has a 10 spline input shaft. From a lot of posts that I read on this forum, I believe most of you disagree with me.

Discuss…
I have a 2 bolt block and still run 4 lug, and i run in the 9's. Is my car "Built"?

[ January 08, 2012, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: ItzStock ]
 
Posted by ZEXyPONY4.6 (Member # 10372) on :
 
BUILT!!!!!!
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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 79 cobra:
so a stock block with afr heads/custom cam/ holley intake/forged eagle crank/eagle h-beam rods/diamond pistons/ fully blueprinted and balanced is not built?????


or how about a tko 500 with 10 spline and faceplatted gears from liberty thats not built???


or how about a 8.8 rear end with 28 spline/spooled/moser axles/4 lug to me thats built
Just cause you dont have a stock block or stock 10 spline or 28 spline axels I
not trying to stt a argument but just because its the stock block or a rear end has 4 lug or a tranny has a 10 spline they still kan be built rember u get what you pay for
Just because you don't have a stock block and 10 spline trans and 28 spline axels is why you feel this way I'm sure if it has upgraded internals then by definition it's built how far it's built or how much you spend on these parts is another subject but still doesn't change the fact it is built
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 79 cobra:
so a stock block with afr heads/custom cam/ holley intake/forged eagle crank/eagle h-beam rods/diamond pistons/ fully blueprinted and balanced is not built?????


or how about a tko 500 with 10 spline and faceplatted gears from liberty thats not built???


or how about a 8.8 rear end with 28 spline/spooled/moser axles/4 lug to me thats built
Just cause you dont have a stock block or stock 10 spline or 28 spline axels I
not trying to stt a argument but just because its the stock block or a rear end has 4 lug or a tranny has a 10 spline they still kan be built rember u get what you pay for
+1 ,Just because you don't have a stock block, and 10 spline trans ,and 28 spline axels, is why you feel this way, I'm sure. but if it has upgraded internals ,then by definition it's built how far it's built or how much you spend on these parts is another subject but still doesn't change the fact that it's built.
 
Posted by 98 ROUSH (Member # 10309) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ZEXyPONY4.6:
BUILT!!!!!!
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LMAO [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Broke4.6 (Member # 9085) on :
 
^^ hahaha thats got me weak right now!
 




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