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Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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I never post. But I really want some opinions. Where should I get my car tuned gona get a procharger installed hopefully by xmas. I was thinking on going to nextgen in hayward but im.sure there are plenty other places out there any suggestions and I know neither of the places will be cheap.
Thanks
Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on
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nextgen,
tps motors sports in campbell
a few more in the 650
Posted by bsaleens281 (Member # 5343) on
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Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
nextgen,
tps motors sports in campbell
a few more in the 650
TPS Motorsports ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
I have had all my work and tuning done there. Talk to jason and he will take care of you.
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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I never heard of tps motorsports. Do they tune withh sct?
Posted by STEED (Member # 4787) on
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TPS Motorsports
Yes we do in house dyno tuning. And yes we use SCT.
SCT for Fords
HP Tuners for GM
http://www.youtube.com/user/tpsmotorsports?feature=mhee
[ November 28, 2011, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: STEED ]
Posted by 68gtscode (Member # 8679) on
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If you want the best tune money can buy, drop your car off at AED. They are in Sac, but well worth the extra drive. www.aedhp.com
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Most people will recommend some shop and that will be the most convenient option.
When I tuned my car, I purchased a wideband, and worked with a remote tuner where I sent him SCT data-logs and he sent me revised tunes until we got it right... This is the most cost effective way to go, and you will learn a lot, but it will be time consuming.
Posted by 68gtscode (Member # 8679) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Most people will recommend some shop and that will be the most convenient option.
When I tuned my car, I purchased a wideband, and worked with a remote tuner where I sent him SCT data-logs and he sent me revised tunes until we got it right... This is the most cost effective way to go, and you will learn a lot, but it will be time consuming.
I don't disagree remote tuning isn't a good option (I believe Shaun at AED offers remote tuning BTW), but I doubt it would be cheaper. Do tuners offer a discount for this service, and how much was your wideband? I assume it would be cheaper to just pay a tuner like Shaun if you are local.
Posted by slow96cobra (Member # 6001) on
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For what car?
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Most people will recommend some shop and that will be the most convenient option.
When I tuned my car, I purchased a wideband, and worked with a remote tuner where I sent him SCT data-logs and he sent me revised tunes until we got it right... This is the most cost effective way to go, and you will learn a lot, but it will be time consuming.
I don't disagree remote tuning isn't a good option (I believe Shaun at AED offers remote tuning BTW), but I doubt it would be cheaper. Do tuners offer a discount for this service, and how much was your wideband? I assume it would be cheaper to just pay a tuner like Shaun if you are local.
Good question...
For me here is how it stacked up:
If I tuned locally:
- $500-600 for tune
- $400 for handheld
If I tuned remotely:
- $50 for tune (unlimited tunes for 90 days)
- $400 for handheld
- $200 for wideband (which I sold after tuning)
Of course the remote tuning will vary. The cheapest I've seen is about $50 and the most expensive is $300 or so... These are data-logged remote tunes that are refined (not some one-time mail order tune)... For $50 I was expected to know exactly how to operate my wideband/SCT tuner and although the tuner was helpful, I didn't expect any significant tech support since the tune was already so cheap.
I will say that tuning in general concerns me a bit. Tuners obviously receive a lot of pressure from their customers to deliver the highest HP numbers possible.
This typically involves leaning of the A/F ratio and increasing the ignition timing. The tuner will tune in one set of conditions. They may or may not pull a couple degrees of timing as a safety margin once finding that sweet spot on the dyno.
Then once the car is tuned, sometime in the future it experiences a whole spectrum of load conditions. That customer may be driving in warmer weather, with a hotter engine, maybe on some gas that isn't quite the octane that they think it is due to refinery variation, maybe even with a passenger or the AC on, and on a slight grade while going WOT, and all of a sudden that car that was a beast on the dyno is pinging like a SOB and you got a problem on your hands.
My point is that for the folks that are getting tunes, don't get too caught up in the peak number. Sacrificing 5rwhp peak to have a safe tune with plenty of safety margin is a very favorable trade-off in the long run.
My car made 305rwhp peak on 30.5deg timing. It made 300rwhp on 26.5deg timing and I feel a lot better beating on it with that safety margin. Here is the kicker... when I overlayed the two plots, although there was a 5rwhp difference in peak, the area under the curve was almost spot on...
My car is much funner to drive with the tune however... And primarily at part throttle since that is really where I can feel it. At WOT I can't really tell between a tuned vs untuned car in my uncalibrated SOP butt meter. But at part throttle it is really noticeable since the car is so much more responsive with the tune.
[ November 28, 2011, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
If you want the best tune money can buy, drop your car off at AED. They are in Sac, but well worth the extra drive. <a href="http://www.aedhp.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.aedhp.com</a>
Cool story bro
Posted by 68gtscode (Member # 8679) on
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
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Originally posted by 68gtscode:
If you want the best tune money can buy, drop your car off at AED. They are in Sac, but well worth the extra drive. <a href="http://www.aedhp.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.aedhp.com</a>
Cool story bro
Not a story, rather feedback from a satisfied customer. Shaun has tuned three of my cars now and my brother's GT500. All cars make great power and drive as good as or better than stock.
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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its a 2004 roush stock gt engine. If i can get a good tune around my area it would be perfect but if aed is really that "top notch" then i will probably be getting in contact with them
Posted by slow96cobra (Member # 6001) on
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Originally posted by stackss2:
its a 2004 roush stock gt engine. If i can get a good tune around my area it would be perfect but if aed is really that "top notch" then i will probably be getting in contact with them
I've had all my tunes done at NEXTGEN, haven't complained yet
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Originally posted by stackss2:
its a 2004 roush stock gt engine. If i can get a good tune around my area it would be perfect but if aed is really that "top notch" then i will probably be getting in contact with them
And I quote "if you have deep pockets" and your car is not a bucket, hit up AED, but talk to Matt at nextgen and see what he can do for you.
[ November 28, 2011, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: LETHL 03 ]
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
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And I quote "if you have deep pockets" and your car is not a bucket, hit up AED, but talk to Matt at nextgen and see what he can do for you. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I called nextgen and seems like they are charging 450 for tuning and 150 for a chip? i already have a handheld i just recently picked one up. so they seem to be more expensive than aed at this point
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Originally posted by stackss2:
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
And I quote "if you have deep pockets" and your car is not a bucket, hit up AED, but talk to Matt at nextgen and see what he can do for you. [/QB]
I called nextgen and seems like they are charging 450 for tuning and 150 for a chip? i already have a handheld i just recently picked one up. so they seem to be more expensive than aed at this point [/QB][/QUOTE]
I only pay 150 for every tune and have multiple.
Posted by BULLITTMAN (Member # 8468) on
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Originally posted by stackss2:
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
And I quote "if you have deep pockets" and your car is not a bucket, hit up AED, but talk to Matt at nextgen and see what he can do for you. [/QB]
I called nextgen and seems like they are charging 450 for tuning and 150 for a chip? i already have a handheld i just recently picked one up. so they seem to be more expensive than aed at this point [/QB][/QUOTE]
I recommend you have Shaun from AED tune it for you. He knows his stuff and will explain everything to you. You'll the most power you can safely get out of the car and it will drive like/better than stock...
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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im either thinking nextgen or aed both with eventually be the same price
Posted by 98 ROUSH (Member # 10309) on
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Nextgen tuned my car n/a and w/ spray and I have no complaints. Made good power on both tunes
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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I think im going to go with aed to tune my car
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on
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Originally posted by stackss2:
I think im going to go with aed to tune my car
I think you wont be disappointed. Good choice.
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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I think im going to go with aed to tune my car
Posted by 04cobra408 (Member # 4025) on
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what was the deciding factor?
Posted by SAV SVT (Member # 7848) on
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Take it to Ditos Motors in South San Fran. They did my Procharger tune. They know what their doing.
Posted by Nastysvt (Member # 6431) on
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Lol..this thread is funny, dude don't even have the prochsrger yet, still needs a lot before even considering a tune..he'll be wasting his time And the tuners time without have the right fuel setup, maf, spark, etc..I understand he's looking for a good tuner but should be focused on getting all the right components first..I'm sure every tuner will tell him the same thing..jus my .02 cents
Posted by CobramanPhil (Member # 2170) on
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How about a self tuner (i.e. tweecer/QH/PMS)? Cost is even cheaper when you need a retune:)
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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Woah guys no need to go for the kill. I have everything ready and looking to install next saturday the only thing I ordered today was my oil and water gauges so im not wasting anyones time. I have just heard a lot of good things from aed and seems to be cheaper than nextgen which was my next choice
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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Originally posted by Nastysvt:
Lol..this thread is funny, dude don't even have the prochsrger yet, still needs a lot before even considering a tune..he'll be wasting his time And the tuners time without have the right fuel setup, maf, spark, etc..I understand he's looking for a good tuner but should be focused on getting all the right components first..I'm sure every tuner will tell him the same thing..jus my .02 cents
I understand where your coming from. Ive seen plenty of threads where some guy asks advice about a "future" supercharger they "plan" on getting and it gets under my skin. But i bought it all complete and just upgraded a few more things so now after 2 months of waiting im finally going to install it.so no need to come out the gate like that.
Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on
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Don't be cheap, get a good tune from a good shop. In general (once again) you get what you pay for.
I don't advise Mickey Mousing around with mail order, it's hit or miss and you have to wait and hope its right. Dyno tuning is what you want to do imo, you ever see big HP power cars go through the mail? Not
Posted by MACK.GT (Member # 10461) on
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Rescino Performance
Chassis dyno tuning
301 Barneveld Aves
SF,CA
415 647 9575
Posted by Nastysvt (Member # 6431) on
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Originally posted by stackss2:
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Originally posted by Nastysvt:
Lol..this thread is funny, dude don't even have the prochsrger yet, still needs a lot before even considering a tune..he'll be wasting his time And the tuners time without have the right fuel setup, maf, spark, etc..I understand he's looking for a good tuner but should be focused on getting all the right components first..I'm sure every tuner will tell him the same thing..jus my .02 cents
I understand where your coming from. Ive seen plenty of threads where some guy asks advice about a "future" supercharger they "plan" on getting and it gets under my skin. But i bought it all complete and just upgraded a few more things so now after 2 months of waiting im finally going to install it.so no need to come out the gate like that.
That's cool man, and that comment was more directed to everyone arguing about what shop to go to for a tune rather than looking out for you about making sure u have all the right parts so that your not wasting your money on dyno time..
[ December 13, 2011, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: Nastysvt ]
Posted by stackss2 (Member # 10071) on
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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Don't be cheap, get a good tune from a good shop. In general (once again) you get what you pay for.
I don't advise Mickey Mousing around with mail order, it's hit or miss and you have to wait and hope its right. Dyno tuning is what you want to do imo, you ever see big HP power cars go through the mail? Not
Not worrying about being cheap I did say cheaper I should have picked my words better. But now its all advice and preference for me
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