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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Hey gentlemen,

Just wanted to start a brief discussion on the fastest production car you can buy for under $25K

That means no modifications of any kind.

Can you think of a faster car than the following:

- 03-04 Cobra
- C5 Z06

And please none of this, 86-87 GN if you raise the boost or 87-93 fox with HCI and supercharger... Point here is stock.

Let's see if you can identify another car faster than the two listed above.

Just some baseline rules:

- 100% OEM
- Quantified by 0-60mph time, 1/4 mile, or power to weight ratio
- Top speed doesn't matter since it's not practical on our roads

[ October 10, 2011, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 
Posted by Wolfie351 (Member # 651) on :
 
Probably isn't faster because of weight, but I would think an 04-05 E55 could be in the discussion and can easily be had for under $25k. Higher mileage Vipers also go for about $25k

[ October 10, 2011, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Wolfie351 ]
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
Domestic or Import?
 
Posted by JUNKYARD5.0 (Member # 10398) on :
 
Subaru STI the newest one?
 
Posted by gray03gt (Member # 6427) on :
 
If you can live with 2 seats, nothing is a better deal. Evo or Sti are well rounded but lack the top speed, burnouts.
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
Probably isn't faster because of weight, but I would think an 04-05 E55 could be in the discussion and can easily be had for under $25k. Higher mileage Vipers also go for about $25k
Good call on the 03-06 E55... These weigh around 3800lbs and run 115-116mph in the quarter so they would certainly take down a stock 03-04 Cobra and can be purchased for $20-25K depending on mileage. Good call on the viper too, but not likely for $25K or under.

quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
Domestic or Import?
Matters not.

quote:
Originally posted by JUNKYARD5.0:
Subaru STI the newest one?
Under $25K, probably won't be easy...

quote:
Originally posted by grey03gt:
If you can live with 2 seats, nothing is a better deal
Huh?

[ October 10, 2011, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 
Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
Probably isn't faster because of weight, but I would think an 04-05 E55 could be in the discussion and can easily be had for under $25k. Higher mileage Vipers also go for about $25k
I'm going with the Mercs myself..tan E55 or S55 with 470hp...pretty hard to beat in that range..

here's a rough and quick example

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd/2632734778.html
 
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gray03gt:
If you can live with 2 seats, nothing is a better deal. Evo or Sti are well rounded but lack the top speed, burnouts.
I heard there is no long term life for those things two of my boys had em and had to replace the motor and one was under 100,000
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
By whose standards? Motor trend 0-60? Top speed? 1/4 mile?
 
Posted by SS396 chevelle (Member # 7277) on :
 
Gnx hands down
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
how bout an evo said by top gear which compares the power to weight ratio hp to be over 400rwhp with less then 2l engine

[ October 10, 2011, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: 50Reasons ]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
By whose standards? Motor trend 0-60? Top speed? 1/4 mile?
good point Dan... Let's quantify it.

We can use 0-60mph, 1/4mile, or power to weight ratio. Any of the major publications as a reference is fine with me.

[patriot]
 
Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :
 
if you were willing spend up to $33K..

you coud also have this

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/2641648600.html

BMW M5 2006 - $32900 (san jose south)


just be ready for maintenance costs...which can be in the$1,000's...

http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m5/2006/tco.html


5 year JUST for maintenance is $12,000... the E55 is going to be more than that....

oh and look at insurance too [Smile]
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
M5 BMW 2002 and up

SLK32 AMG

94 and up supra turbo cars (hard to find stock and under 25K go quick)
 
Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
[qb] Probably isn't faster because of weight, but I would think an 04-05 E55 could be in the discussion and can easily be had for under $25k. Higher mileage Vipers also go for about $25k
Good call on the 03-06 E55... These weigh around 3800lbs and run 115-116mph in the quarter so they would certainly take down a stock 03-04 Cobra and can be purchased for $20-25K depending on mileage. Good call on the viper too, but not likely for $25K or under.
forgot to add...please look out for woes on the Mercs as well..

my friend had one and it cost him around $3K and 2 months for an alternator....

overall he spent around $20K in maintenance for the 4 years he owned it.....pad around $80K for it and sold it for $10K.....

so yeah....be on te lookout for those issues as well....
 
Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
So we are all on the same page thought wise.....
Let's define " Fast "
does this mean: quarter mile et? Lap times? High speeds?

If I had 25,000.00 to spend to go straight.... I'd say and AWD wrx or evo. ( do track tires count as not being stock? )

Track.... Cobra or Z06 ( that hurt to say )

High speeds...... Viper, cobra, z06 ( that also hurt to say LOL )
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
1990 ZR1 for 18,500 on the web for sale right now.....
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle:
Gnx hands down
Formidable choice. However, with 276hp and a 0.08hp/lb ratio, it's not likely to surpass a C5 Z06 or an e55.

With more boost sure, but the point here is stock production car.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2302/Buick-Grand-National-GNX.html

[ October 10, 2011, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 
Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 
Fastest or quickest for $25k? You can find Lotus Esprit S4's for 25k. They're not super quick, but an honest 165 top speed. Mid-2000's AMG's are a good deal if you want to hit the 155mph limiter.
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
I gotta be honest here, I had 25K to spend and I ended up going with a 1988 Mustang LX 5.0 Coupe.

No matter what I just CANT get away from foxbodies I dont know WHAT in the hell my problem is.

Ive drivin and had many other neat vehicles......

My love for foxbodies is kinda like my 93+ year old german grandfathers love for sluts.........something he will die with..
 
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SS396 chevelle:
Gnx hands down
Did you read when he said no upgraded boost?in stock form the two cars he mentioned will smash a gn
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Let's not get into top speed here since it's not likely to take cars out to 160mph+ on our roads.

Let's stick to acceleration.
 
Posted by CornOil_&_Boost (Member # 5888) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Let's not get into top speed here since it's not likely to take cars out to 160mph+ on our roads.

Let's stick to acceleration.
I'm still sticking with the E55 AMG if it doesn't break..lol
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Let's not get into top speed here since it's not likely to take cars out to 160mph+ on our roads.

Let's stick to acceleration.
Fuck it, Imma say it.

1/4 mile times ONLY.

That way we arent comparing fuck tard drivers 0-60 times or traction control etc. We can actually see a MPH number at the big end.

So

FASTEST standing 1/4 mile.

Deal?

Oh and no top speed, we live in the bay area and JPH331 showed us all what that gets you.

Dan
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Let's not get into top speed here since it's not likely to take cars out to 160mph+ on our roads.

Let's stick to acceleration.
Fuck it, Imma say it.

1/4 mile times ONLY.

That way we arent comparing fuck tard drivers 0-60 times or traction control etc. We can actually see a MPH number at the big end.

So

FASTEST standing 1/4 mile.

Deal?

Oh and no top speed, we live in the bay area and JPH331 showed us all what that gets you.

Dan
Fine with me Dan. It's as good a metric as any for this discussion.
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
Then:


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/2632799750.html

E55 AMG

12.4/112-116 depending on mag
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CornOil_&_Boost:
if you were willing spend up to $33K..

you coud also have this

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/2641648600.html

BMW M5 2006 - $32900 (san jose south)


just be ready for maintenance costs...which can be in the$1,000's...

http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m5/2006/tco.html


5 year JUST for maintenance is $12,000... the E55 is going to be more than that....

oh and look at insurance too [Smile]
Yes, the latest generation M5 is very impressive (also run about 115mph+ in the quarter), but they are disqualified here for being well over budget. That one you linked is the cheapest one on CL and still many thousands over $25K
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
1990 ZR1 for 18,500 on the web for sale right now.....
Dan, good choice...

Looking at this web-site below, there seems to be a huge variety in performance numbers for the ZR-1 ranging from 105 - 118mph for the Lingenfelter. I'm struggling with this one since it is such a rarity and there seems to be so much variation.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/c4/zr1/zr1perf.html
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
1990 ZR1 for 18,500 on the web for sale right now.....
Dan, good choice...

Looking at this web-site below, there seems to be a huge variety in performance numbers for the ZR-1 ranging from 105 - 118mph for the Lingenfelter. I'm struggling with this one since it is such a rarity and there seems to be so much variation.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/c4/zr1/zr1perf.html
My boss in 94 had a 90 and a 95calloway. One trapped 117 and one 130 I drove both. Don't remember if they were stock. He died of cancer a few yrs ago
 
Posted by Wolfie351 (Member # 651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Good call on the viper too, but not likely for $25K or under.
You can find them for under $25k, but would you want them? That's another story

Ebay: 1994 Viper $24500

Ebay: 1996 Viper $24999
 
Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on :
 
fox body ftw. buy one for 1k and put 24k into it and have more performance than all those other cars [burnout] [patriot]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wilit:
Fastest or quickest for $25k? You can find Lotus Esprit S4's for 25k. They're not super quick, but an honest 165 top speed. Mid-2000's AMG's are a good deal if you want to hit the 155mph limiter.
A quick car for sure with ~280hp and just under 3000lbs. I am having trouble finding trap speed information, but the quart mile numbers aren't too impressive at mid to low 13's

http://www.carspecsdirectory.com/Lincoln_Lotus_Marcos.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/ford/performance1.htm

Not easy to get them under $25K either.
 
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on :
 
i think the c5 z06 is gonna take the cake here...you can find them cheaper than 03 cobras and are alot faster.


oh and no one mentioned a regular old c5 vette?
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
M5 BMW 2002 and up

SLK32 AMG

94 and up supra turbo cars (hard to find stock and under 25K go quick)
The E39 M5 made 400hp (probably optimistic) but trapped 108-109mph from the sources I have seen... no soup for the E39 M5.

The SLK32 AMG runs right in the ballpark of the E39.

And the 94 Supra Turbo is similar to the GNX. They were rediculously fast with basic mods, but they weren't running 116mph right off the showroom floor like an E55.

So it looks like the top of the chart is still the C5 Z06 and the 03-06 E55. We can perhaps put the ZR1 up there in the appropriate trim, but they were so rare, that I'd rather ignore this one.

Anyone else got a car that can trap over 115-116mph and comes in under $25K straight off the showroom floor?

[ October 10, 2011, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
i think the c5 z06 is gonna take the cake here...you can find them cheaper than 03 cobras and are alot faster.


oh and no one mentioned a regular old c5 vette?
Agree with the C5 Zo6 comment.

Nobody mentioned the regular C5 because it traps 109-110mph and is in line with many of the cars already mentioned.
 
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
i think the c5 z06 is gonna take the cake here...you can find them cheaper than 03 cobras and are alot faster.


oh and no one mentioned a regular old c5 vette?
Agree with the C5 Zo6 comment.

Nobody mentioned the regular C5 because it traps 109-110mph and is in line with many of the cars already mentioned.
yeah its already in the 03 cobra ball park but i was just thinking they were forgetten since no one even mentioned it.

now that i think about it, if you were to make a thread on the fastest 10k under cars, c5 would prolly make that listlol.
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
i think the c5 z06 is gonna take the cake here...you can find them cheaper than 03 cobras and are alot faster.


oh and no one mentioned a regular old c5 vette?
Agree with the C5 Zo6 comment.

Nobody mentioned the regular C5 because it traps 109-110mph and is in line with any of the cars already mentioned.
yeah its already in the 03 cobra ball park but i was just thinking they were forgetten since no one even mentioned it.

now that i think about it, if you were to make a thread on the fastest 10k under cars, c5 would prolly make that listlol.
If we continued and made one for under $2.5K, the fox would be king, LOL
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Drum-roll:

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And the champions of the fastest stockproduction cars readily available today for under $25K goes to:

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GAME OVER! Thanks for playing.

-
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
No matter what I just CANT get away from foxbodies I dont know WHAT in the hell my problem is.
I have the opposite feeling. I never want to own one again, lol.
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
No matter what I just CANT get away from foxbodies I dont know WHAT in the hell my problem is.
I have the opposite feeling. I never want to own one again, lol.
Sweet!!!! More out there for others!!!


You sure? Coupes look good without wings!
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
No matter what I just CANT get away from foxbodies I dont know WHAT in the hell my problem is.
I have the opposite feeling. I never want to own one again, lol.
Sweet!!!! More out there for others!!!


You sure? Coupes look good without wings!
Never say never, but I am 99.99% sure. You can have them all Dan. [patriot]
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
No matter what I just CANT get away from foxbodies I dont know WHAT in the hell my problem is.
I have the opposite feeling. I never want to own one again, lol.
Sweet!!!! More out there for others!!!


You sure? Coupes look good without wings!
Never say never, but I am 99.99% sure. You can have them all Dan. [patriot]
They're ALL mine, mine!!!!!!

Lol

Nah one is enough to feed and clean up after.
 
Posted by 915.0gt (Member # 9518) on :
 
pontiac 2009 G8 GXP

415hp 415tq LS3 6speed

13.2 sec 1/4 mile

5.0 0-60 on a cold track with traction issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZAQfRMEHU

gona be right at or slightly over the 25k mark from kbb.com for 45,000 miles and flawless inside and out

[ October 10, 2011, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: 915.0gt ]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 915.0gt:
pontiac 2009 G8 GXP

415hp 415tq LS3 6speed

13.2 sec 1/4 mile

5.0 0-60 on a cold track with traction issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZAQfRMEHU

gona be right at or slightly over the 25k mark from kbb.com for 45,000 miles and flawless inside and out
It definitely belongs in the conversation. Motor Trend is showing 109-110mph trap speed which puts it about 5-6mph shy of the E55 and Z06.
 
Posted by 915.0gt (Member # 9518) on :
 
my friend bought the g8 gt before it came in the gxp and its SUPER luxury, seat heaters, nice leather everything, its deffinantly a nice car, and with the LS series motors they make good power

the first day he got it we unbolted the mufflers

100% stock

-
 
Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by wilit:
Fastest or quickest for $25k? You can find Lotus Esprit S4's for 25k. They're not super quick, but an honest 165 top speed. Mid-2000's AMG's are a good deal if you want to hit the 155mph limiter.
A quick car for sure with ~280hp and just under 3000lbs. I am having trouble finding trap speed information, but the quart mile numbers aren't too impressive at mid to low 13's

http://www.carspecsdirectory.com/Lincoln_Lotus_Marcos.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/ford/performance1.htm

Not easy to get them under $25K either.
The SE had the same amount of power as the S4 (265ish). The S4S had 300hp. Those are a tad bit harder to find for $25k, more like $35k, but SE's and S4's pop up on Ebay all the time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lotus-Esprit-1991-Lotus-Esprit-SE-5-Speed-w-Only-23K-Miles-/250905812821?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a6b26df55

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-Lotus-Esprit-SE-Turbo-8K-Original-Miles-Pristine-NO-RESERVE-/270827134884?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f0e8e1fa4
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
To me best car all around for that price would be the e55. It's a car that no matter how old it is its just plain badass
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
To me best car all around for that price would be the e55. It's a car that no matter how old it is its just plain badass
It's not that old lol (03-06)
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
To me best car all around for that price would be the e55. It's a car that no matter how old it is its just plain badass
It's not that old lol (03-06)
lol i know but i could see this car in 10 years and still be sexy
 
Posted by BackwardSnake (Member # 10857) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
1990 ZR1 for 18,500 on the web for sale right now.....
Dan, good choice...

Looking at this web-site below, there seems to be a huge variety in performance numbers for the ZR-1 ranging from 105 - 118mph for the Lingenfelter. I'm struggling with this one since it is such a rarity and there seems to be so much variation.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/c4/zr1/zr1perf.html
My boss in 94 had a 90 and a 95calloway. One trapped 117 and one 130 I drove both. Don't remember if they were stock. He died of cancer a few yrs ago
Did he own the Pennzoil Oil Change place in Martinez, I believe his name was Doug?
 
Posted by 89TRUNK (Member # 2506) on :
 
Audi rs6? Craislist had one for 25.5k. Twin turbo v8
 
Posted by gray03gt (Member # 6427) on :
 
Look at the Specter 341 race results (Virginia City Hill Climb) The 1st place car was a fully race built corvette zr1. 2nd-3rd were race built porsches. 4th was a daily driven Evo8 with a stock bottom end, turbo, etc. He beat a lot of purpose built cars in his Evo. He had the fastest times early in the weekend.
 
Posted by 04 S281 (Member # 9229) on :
 
94-98 Saleen S351 R-Code

490hp, 116-120mph trap speeds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJiFARxwYns

a good, low mileage example will run more than $25k, but one that needs a little work, in this economy, can be had for under $20k

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/sn95-mustangs-404/765936-fs-1997-s351-r-code.html
 
Posted by SLOWFOX (Member # 11067) on :
 
Gto's are pretty quick n go for about 15k..
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SLOWFOX:
Gto's are pretty quick n go for about 15k..
Another fast car but nowhere near touching the two trophy cars on this list.
 
Posted by 92mustanggt (Member # 5609) on :
 
What's the fastest production car now brand new under 25000
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 92mustanggt:
What's the fastest production car now brand new under 25000
Under $25K brand new? Nothing worth mentioning comes to mind.
 




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