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Originally posted by 510cpskid:
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Originally posted by 510cpskid:
aren't these optional

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If the driver refuses, the vehicle is released and another vehicle is quickly directed into the test lane. The license plate numbers of vehicles whose operators decline to participate in the Roadside Inspection Program are recorded and entered into a laptop computer for later analysis.

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Originally posted by 94 N.C.F. GT:
What would be the later analysts

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I bet they make your smog test only after that.
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
Sounds like our better off just doing the test right there. The reason I say that is ur gonna be in the black book like in casino. they might start having you smog your car more often or even show up at your house and check out your car.
 

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Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 
I just went back to take some pics, but they are already gone, sorry.
 

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Posted by xvt's 85 5.0 (Member # 4765) on :
 

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If the driver refuses, the vehicle is released and another vehicle is quickly directed into the test lane. The license plate numbers of vehicles whose operators decline to participate in the Roadside Inspection Program are recorded and entered into a laptop computer for later analysis.

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wtf does that mean, lol.

Lee, good looking out.
If anyone can, snap a few pics of this set-up. If I didn't have work commitments, I would go out there and snap a boatload of pics and post it on every forum I can think of.

It sounds like this BS is popping up in Concord multiple times now.

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for what I know is that every car tested at the roadside smog check, the results are later compared to those of what's on the system of the same car when it got smog by the owner, they do this to cracked down on the smog places if there's a significant difference than they'll start investigating the smog check place where it got smog by the owner, and it is "optional" but if you refuse you get entered into the system as a refusal and yep you get more frequent smog checks.

 

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Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
These days it's easier to just be smog legal and not have to worry about anything or just get a smog exempt car.
 

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Posted by Mineralgt (Member # 9909) on :
 
Damn thats crazy how there doing this in concord its BS they better be making more money then they spend on this crap. ima be pissed if i get caught up in one of these with an offroad x pipe on because im planning on getting one but this is making me change my mind real fast
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Lee, how were they pulling people over?
Does CHP waive you down?

And has anyone see one of these road-side smog ambushes at night?
 

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Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 
The first time I saw a Highway Patrol officer waving people over, the second time I only saw a Concord Cop.
 

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The greeter explains to the driver that the test is part of a survey to evaluate
the Smog Check Program and that there are no penalties, emissions-related or otherwise,
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I am going to print out that PDF and keep a copy in the car with the "voluntary" highlighted, lol.

Does anyone have a more recent copy of that epa roadside smog information?

[ September 09, 2010, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
addendum

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/02_SmogCheck/addendum_with_report.pdf

I have had a chance to read through the initial intro document by the EPA from 2000 along with the addendum. Unless things have changed, here is my impression:

1. This is a voluntary test
2. There is no negative impact to the user regardless of the outcome of the test
3. The testing began in 1985 and is used to gauge the effectiveness of current smog protocols and keep smog stations honest, not to single out individual users.
4. The results truly are staggering. Of all pre-OBDII cars that fail a smog and then pass within the same smog period, the mobile smog program found that nearly 50% of those cars fail the mobile test within a year. That tells you fraud is happening on an epic scale and this is a tool to catch those kinds of "bad-apple" smog shops.

At the same time, if you roll up there with an off-road h-pipe and a JLT CAI and fail smog, do they just let you go with no penalty? Maybe, but I am not so sure.

I am 100% for smog checks in the state of CA given our population, but it has to make sense and people can't be failing for air-tubes or filter elements, come on!

Smog should be a tailpipe only test. Let's cut through the beauracracy California!

[ September 09, 2010, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 

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Posted by mustangdude24 (Member # 6581) on :
 
It never has made sense that your car can pass the sniffer, but they'll fail you if you don't pass visual.
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 
The cops and smog police are coming for you!

[ September 10, 2010, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
 

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Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on :
 
There were two smog checks last month alone in sacramento..one on folsom near bradshaw and howe ave...these smog inspections got me stressin big time considering I have absolutely zero smog junk on my notch! Ugh,california is becoming more of a fucking head ache everyday..
 

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4. The results truly are staggering. Of all pre-OBDII cars that fail a smog and then pass within the same smog period, the mobile smog program found that nearly 50% of those cars fail the mobile test within a year. That tells you fraud is happening on an epic scale and this is a tool to catch those kinds of "bad-apple" smog shops.

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4. The results truly are staggering. Of all pre-OBDII cars that fail a smog and then pass within the same smog period, the mobile smog program found that nearly 50% of those cars fail the mobile test within a year. That tells you fraud is happening on an epic scale and this is a tool to catch those kinds of "bad-apple" smog shops.

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Selective sampling is an often used political trick. For all we know, four cars fit that category and two of them failed. That's gets you 50% right there. Percentages mean nothing without the actual numbers

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