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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 
Ending a decade-long campaign led by African-American lawmakers, the House Wednesday approved and sent to President Barack Obama a measure to reduce the disparity in penalties between use of crack and powder cocaine.

Under a 25-year-old law, mandatory minimum sentences involving crack cocaine -- a drug more commonly used by blacks than whites -- led to far more severe penalties than for offenses involving powder cocaine, generally preferred by whites.

"The Fair Sentencing Act will reduce sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine from 100-to-1 to 18-to-1," said Congressman John Conyers, D-Michigan, who applauded the passage.

Conyers said the crack mandatory sentences had pushed the number of drug offenders in federal prisons from fewer than 5,000 in 1980 to nearly 100,000 in 2009.

The law drops the five-year mandatory sentence for first time offenders, and for repeat offenders with less than 28 grams of crack. Current law sets the mandatory sentence for conviction at five grams.

Support for reducing the disparity with powder cocaine offenders increased with reports beginning in 2002 by the U.S. Sentencing Commission calling for Congress to change the crack cocaine law. The commission is independent agency in the judicial branch that develops national sentencing policy for the federal courts.

The House measure, passed on a voice vote with bipartisan support, follows passage by the Senate in March.

President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder had both pressed for passage of the law.

"This day was long in coming," said Holder. He said the bill will "go a long way toward ensuring that our sentencing laws are tough, consistent, and fair."

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus had led the battle for passage for 10 years. Holder also singled out key Republicans including Sens. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama, and Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, who had joined with Democrats. Conyers tipped his hat to House GOP members Dan Lungren, R-California, James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, and Ron Paul, R-Texas, for their support.

Not all Republicans joined the majority, however.

The top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee Lamar Smith, R-Texas, argued vigorously shortly before passage that to reduce the crack cocaine penalties would be a serious mistake.

"Reducing the penalties for crack cocaine could expose our neighborhoods to the same violence and addiction that caused Congress to act in the first place," Smith said. "Crack cocaine is associated with a greater degree of violence than most other drugs. And more than any other drug, the majority of crack defendants have prior criminal convictions," Smith said.

The White House is expected to schedule a presidential signing ceremony within a month.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/28/house.drug.penalties/index.html
 

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Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on :
 
People on powder party and people on crack break my fuckin window and steal change.
 

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Posted by bigjerry (Member # 6033) on :
 
Till next month ill remain hiding the 28 grams of coke in my nose.
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
Will know in 5 years if it's a good idea.... I'm for rehab if people want it. But so e people do need to be locked up.
I don't care if your high on crack or not, if you rob someone,rape or attack someone you need to spend some serious time in jail.
 

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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 

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Originally posted by Slowback67:
Will know in 5 years if it's a good idea.... I'm for rehab if people want it. But so e people do need to be locked up.
I don't care if your high on crack or not, if you rob someone,rape or attack someone you need to spend some serious time in jail.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slowback67:
[qb] Will know in 5 years if it's a good idea.... I'm for rehab if people want it. But so e people do need to be locked up.
I don't care if your high on crack or not, if you rob someone,rape or attack someone you need to spend some serious time in jail.

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I personally feel a drug addict shouldn't waste my tax dollars sitting in jail, unless you are commiting other crimes. Our jails are already over crowded. Also there shouldn't be any difference in sentencing over which brand of coke a person is using just like there is no difference in sentencing for weed types (bammer)

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I personally feel a drug addict shouldn't waste my tax dollars sitting in jail, unless you are commiting other crimes. Our jails are already over crowded. Also there shouldn't be any difference in sentencing over which brand of coke a person is using just like there is no difference in sentencing for weed types (bammer)

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so you want drug addicts to be out on the streets committing crimes to support their habits?

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
YAY Obama just earned the crack addict vote! This country is getting so f'n sad we got our boys and girls getting blown up in Afghanistan, we got homeless moms and kids on our streets and we have hard working people busting their asses just to keep their homes which aren't worth a damn right now and our so called president and congress worried about getting rid of sentencing disparities for CRACKHEADS! Great demonstration of priorites and use of resources.

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
YAY Obama just earned the crack addict vote! This country is getting so f'n sad we got our boys and girls getting blown up in Afghanistan, we got homeless moms and kids on our streets and we have hard working people busting their asses just to keep their homes which aren't worth a damn right now and our so called president and congress worried about getting rid of sentencing disparities for CRACKHEADS! Great demonstration of priorites and use of resources.

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
YAY Obama just earned the crack addict vote! This country is getting so f'n sad we got our boys and girls getting blown up in Afghanistan, we got homeless moms and kids on our streets and we have hard working people busting their asses just to keep their homes which aren't worth a damn right now and our so called president and congress worried about getting rid of sentencing disparities for CRACKHEADS! Great demonstration of priorites and use of resources.

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I wish people weren't so ignorant, republicans voted for it as a majority. Stop bringing shit in the conversation that has nothing to do with anything

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
YAY Obama just earned the crack addict vote! This country is getting so f'n sad we got our boys and girls getting blown up in Afghanistan, we got homeless moms and kids on our streets and we have hard working people busting their asses just to keep their homes which aren't worth a damn right now and our so called president and congress worried about getting rid of sentencing disparities for CRACKHEADS! Great demonstration of priorites and use of resources.

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I wish people weren't so ignorant, republicans voted for it as a majority. Stop bringing shit in the conversation that has nothing to do with anything

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First of all go F yourself second of all you want to talk about ignorance WTF was the point of posting this in the first place? Did you consider this decision a victory for all Crackheads or just you?

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
YAY Obama just earned the crack addict vote! This country is getting so f'n sad we got our boys and girls getting blown up in Afghanistan, we got homeless moms and kids on our streets and we have hard working people busting their asses just to keep their homes which aren't worth a damn right now and our so called president and congress worried about getting rid of sentencing disparities for CRACKHEADS! Great demonstration of priorites and use of resources.

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I wish people weren't so ignorant, republicans voted for it as a majority. Stop bringing shit in the conversation that has nothing to do with anything

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First of all go F yourself second of all you want to talk about ignorance WTF was the point of posting this in the first place? Did you consider this decision a victory for all Crackheads or just you?

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Since you are obviously part of the uneducated, Fox lovely side... the point of posting this was pure facts, not once did you hear me bring up political parties and such. You also didn't see me saying how the law was targeted towards inner city either. Your posts have all looked the same... it always goes "F Obama...blah blah blah..... Read posts before posting your ignorant, bias, nothing to do with the topic comments. I don't mind someone disagreeing with me, but at least be educated and actually have a valid point.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I still don't see how if the majority of republicans voted for it, how was it..." great crackheads for Obama"...

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I still don't see how if the majority of republicans voted for it, how was it..." great crackheads for Obama"...

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Again he's the Prez that is the only reason I said it, if you'd like I will retract my initial statement and say YAY Obama AND Congress just earned THEMSELVES the CRACKHEAD vote! Again I don't care about what party it is or it isn't I'm not down with any politician as this nation currently stands. I believe the politicians need to focus on more important issues in this country.

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I still don't see how if the majority of republicans voted for it, how was it..." great crackheads for Obama"...

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Again he's the Prez that is the only reason I said it, if you'd like I will retract my initial statement and say YAY Obama AND Congress just earned THEMSELVES the CRACKHEAD vote! Again I don't care about what party it is or it isn't I'm not down with any politician as this nation currently stands. I believe the politicians need to focus on more important issues in this country.

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until the november elections, congress will not pass any additional bills of any real importance

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Originally posted by kingroy:
We're getting off topic here. It's basically the same drug. They're both illegal, they're both from the same plant, they both get you high as fuck and They both ruin families and ruin lives. They both should get equal sentences if caught with equal value. It's like, if I blow a .10 from drinking a beer and you blow a .10 from drinking wine, since beer is generally cheaper and associated with more violence, I'm fined and punished more than you. That ain't fair, and the previous crack vs. powder law wasn't fair.

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Originally posted by kingroy:
We're getting off topic here. It's basically the same drug. They're both illegal, they're both from the same plant, they both get you high as fuck and They both ruin families and ruin lives. They both should get equal sentences if caught with equal value. It's like, if I blow a .10 from drinking a beer and you blow a .10 from drinking wine, since beer is generally cheaper and associated with more violence, I'm fined and punished more than you. That ain't fair, and the previous crack vs. powder law wasn't fair.

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^exactly^.. and for the "know its alls".. this isnt a victory for "crackheads"
its the dude who's sellin the crack that actually wins(and the
only way to really win is to not get caught anyway)..
crackheads smoke crack all the time and the police see them
high and dont arrest them, its the drug dealers that get
busted for crack charges

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Originally posted by kingroy:
We're getting off topic here. It's basically the same drug. They're both illegal, they're both from the same plant, they both get you high as fuck and They both ruin families and ruin lives. They both should get equal sentences if caught with equal value. It's like, if I blow a .10 from drinking a beer and you blow a .10 from drinking wine, since beer is generally cheaper and associated with more violence, I'm fined and punished more than you. That ain't fair, and the previous crack vs. powder law wasn't fair.

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Originally posted by L:

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Originally posted by kingroy:
We're getting off topic here. It's basically the same drug. They're both illegal, they're both from the same plant, they both get you high as fuck and They both ruin families and ruin lives. They both should get equal sentences if caught with equal value. It's like, if I blow a .10 from drinking a beer and you blow a .10 from drinking wine, since beer is generally cheaper and associated with more violence, I'm fined and punished more than you. That ain't fair, and the previous crack vs. powder law wasn't fair.

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^exactly^.. and for the "know its alls".. this isnt a victory for "crackheads"
its the dude who's sellin the crack that actually wins(and the
only way to really win is to not get caught anyway)..
crackheads smoke crack all the time and the police see them
high and dont arrest them, its the drug dealers that get
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Maybe cops don't round up every crackhead because they can't arrest all of them.... Let's be serious here, The POS drug dealers are scumbags that are making serious money off addicts.
I'm real fucking tired of hearing people say shit like " I can't get a job to support my family, cause I'm a fellon." or " Im black and the mans trying to hold me down so I got to hustle to make my money."

It's all BS that's handed down from generation to generation. People need to have some god damn work ethic. People sell drugs cause they DON'T want a 9 to 5. They want to risk working a few hours a day a sell drugs, drive a new car, buy nice jewelry and spend money on girls at the clubs. They couldn't do all that shit with no education and a normal ass job.

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Originally posted by kingroy:
We're getting off topic here. It's basically the same drug. They're both illegal, they're both from the same plant, they both get you high as fuck and They both ruin families and ruin lives. They both should get equal sentences if caught with equal value. It's like, if I blow a .10 from drinking a beer and you blow a .10 from drinking wine, since beer is generally cheaper and associated with more violence, I'm fined and punished more than you. That ain't fair, and the previous crack vs. powder law wasn't fair.

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Although you are right about them both being illegal comparing wine/beer to crack/cocaine is a bit of a stretch.

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Originally posted by kingroy:
We're getting off topic here. It's basically the same drug. They're both illegal, they're both from the same plant, they both get you high as fuck and They both ruin families and ruin lives. They both should get equal sentences if caught with equal value. It's like, if I blow a .10 from drinking a beer and you blow a .10 from drinking wine, since beer is generally cheaper and associated with more violence, I'm fined and punished more than you. That ain't fair, and the previous crack vs. powder law wasn't fair.

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Although you are right about them both being illegal comparing wine/beer to crack/cocaine is a bit of a stretch.

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thats a perfect analogy cuz beer/wine are both alcohols as crack/cocaine are both illegal drugs.. so y should the penalty for possessing one or the other be different... and remember u make crack from cocaine

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Because beer and wine both get you drunk crack and cocaine cause different and much stronger reactions in people I agree both are bad both are illegal but until you have had to fight and make an arrest on someone who has been using crack or PCP as opposed to someone who has been smoking weed or snorted a line of coke take my word for it. Again sentencing is one thing and the way different drugs cause different reactions is another. It wouldn't bother me if you sentenced a Meth head or someone who uses heroin 100:1 times more then someone who uses cocaine because meth and heroin are not the same as cocaine.

Easiest way to put it for me is this, would you hang out with someone who just snorted a line of coke like some chick at a club YES you would!, but would you freebase with someone or let a crackhead in your house NO, they are different.

Hell ask yourself would you rather smoke a cocaine blunt or would you hit a crack pipe? Now tell me there's not a difference.

Besides this won't solve prison overcrowding anyways and if it's really a concern then just try being one of the millions of people who don't make/sell/smoke crack and you won't hve to worry about sentecing disparities.

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Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on :
 
fuck yeah! time to sell a kick with no hesitation!
 

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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 
Crack and cocaine is the same drug, to make crack you need Cocaine and baking soda. Crack is just cheaper because it isn't as pure as cocaine is. Sentencing for crack and coke should be the same, if not the same then coke should hold a stiffer penalty.
 

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Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
only thing I can see happening when this passes is

1.we will have more crack dealers
2. more crack addicts
3.more killings,violent crimes,burglaries...
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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only thing I can see happening when this passes is

1.we will have more crack dealers
2. more crack addicts
3.more killings,violent crimes,burglaries...

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^ Yeah and then politicians will tell us to give up our guns because there's too many guns on the streets.
 

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Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 

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Originally posted by phonso302:
only thing I can see happening when this passes is

1.we will have more crack dealers
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^ Yeah and then politicians will tell us to give up our guns because there's too many guns on the streets.

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