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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
http://www.latimes.com/la-naw-arizona-immigration-072810,0,824360.story

Wish this law wouldn't have been stripped down..... Damn Liberal Judge.
 

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Posted by cagedblackgt (Member # 10090) on :
 
Wow that sucks.
 

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Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
its not over yet, this is only the begining
 

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Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 
Nothing has been stripped or striken from the law, just the parts that require a cop to ask for papers, aliens being required to carry papers, and barring illegals from standing outside of Home Depot have been placed on hold from being enacted. There's another lawsuit that needs to be decided to determine if they are constitutional or not. Other parts of the law will go into effect on Thursday.
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by wilit:
Nothing has been stripped or striken from the law, just the parts that require a cop to ask for papers, aliens being required to carry papers, and barring illegals from standing outside of Home Depot have been placed on hold from being enacted. There's another lawsuit that needs to be decided to determine if they are constitutional or not. Other parts of the law will go into effect on Thursday.

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But not being able to check for papers/ I.D isn't going to do any good right? Even if a cop is 99.9% positive that someone is here in the country illegally, they can't check?
 

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Posted by Ham'n Eggs (Member # 8967) on :
 
Judge intimated that being in the U.S. without any documentation is not illegal
 

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Posted by uncle bill (Member # 3953) on :
 
we dont need no stinking papers
 

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Posted by SHOalex (Member # 7720) on :
 
Haha
 

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Posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z (Member # 7845) on :
 
if your not WHITE! your not RIGHT! send them all back!
 

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Posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z (Member # 7845) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yaterstang:
its not over yet, this is only the begining

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can u pass my blunt back before its all over
 

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Posted by SSF SVT (Member # 8319) on :
 

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Originally posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z:
if your not WHITE! your not RIGHT! send them all back!

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Originally posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z:
if your not WHITE! your not RIGHT! send them all back!

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hey CHUGGNDUDE'Z, stfu. if you send us back, whos gonna make ur 7lb burrito?

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lol


 

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Posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z (Member # 7845) on :
 

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Originally posted by SSF SVT:

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Originally posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z:
if your not WHITE! your not RIGHT! send them all back!

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hey CHUGGNDUDE'Z, stfu. if you send us back, whos gonna make ur 7lb burrito?

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me ill make it
btw whats the deal with the slowskie sticker on the back of your car?
 

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Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
when I was in NH this summer for vacation, they shut down the highway for a checkpoint.

They were looking for illegals from Canada, and checking everybody's ID's.


but you don't hear about that one on the news...


illegal is against the law, not a race.
 

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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 

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Originally posted by Blind:
when I was in NH this summer for vacation, they shut down the highway for a checkpoint.

They were looking for illegals from Canada, and checking everybody's ID's.


but you don't hear about that one on the news...


illegal is against the law, not a race.

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Originally posted by Blind:
when I was in NH this summer for vacation, they shut down the highway for a checkpoint.

They were looking for illegals from Canada, and checking everybody's ID's.


but you don't hear about that one on the news...


illegal is against the law, not a race.

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so you mean the weeren't just checking people with accents? Different situation completely

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Originally posted by Yaterstang:
You act like your the only immigrants we have in the country, there's still plenty of chinese and the european beaners(Russians) are still gonna be around.

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Originally posted by Blind:
when I was in NH this summer for vacation, they shut down the highway for a checkpoint.

They were looking for illegals from Canada, and checking everybody's ID's.


but you don't hear about that one on the news...


illegal is against the law, not a race.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by Blind:
when I was in NH this summer for vacation, they shut down the highway for a checkpoint.

They were looking for illegals from Canada, and checking everybody's ID's.


but you don't hear about that one on the news...


illegal is against the law, not a race.

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so you mean the weeren't just checking people with accents? Different situation completely

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I wasn't aware you could hear an accent from a passing car, maybe the illegals should roll their windows up or talk a little more quiet?

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
Something I found from Time Magazine

When U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled on Wednesday that key provisions of Arizona's new anti-immigration law were unconstitutional, she could have also declared them unnecessary. That is, if the main impetus behind the controversial legislation was, as Arizona Governor Jan Brewer said when she signed it in April, "border-related violence and crime due to illegal immigration." The fact is, despite the murderous mayhem raging across the border in Mexico, the U.S. side, from San Diego to Brownsville, Texas, is one of the nation's safest corridors.

According to the FBI, the four large U.S. cities (with populations of at least 500,000) with the lowest violent crime rates - San Diego, Phoenix and the Texas cities of El Paso and Austin - are all in border states. "The border is safer now than it's ever been," U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Lloyd Easterling told the Associated Press last month. Even Larry Dever, the sheriff of Arizona's Cochise County, where the murder last March of a local rancher, believed to have been committed by an illegal immigrant, sparked calls for the law, conceded to the Arizona Republic recently that "we're not seeing the [violent crime] that's going on on the other side." (See photos of the Great Wall of America.)

Consider Arizona itself - whose illegal-immigrant population is believed to be second only to California's. The state's overall crime rate dropped 12% last year; between 2004 and 2008 it plunged 23%. In the metro area of its largest city, Phoenix, violent crime - encompassing murder, rape, assault and robbery - fell by a third during the past decade and by 17% last year. The border city of Nogales, an area rife with illegal immigration and drug trafficking, hasn't logged a single murder in the past two years. (See pictures of immigration detention in Arizona.)

It is true that Phoenix has in recent years seen a spate of kidnappings. But in almost every case they've involved drug traffickers targeting other narcos for payment shakedowns, and the 318 abductions reported last year were actually down 11% from 2008. Either way, the figure hardly makes Phoenix, as Arizona Senator John McCain claimed last month, "the No. 2 kidnapping capital of the world" behind Mexico City. A number of Latin American capitals can claim that dubious distinction. (Comment on this story.)

An even more telling example is El Paso. Its cross-border Mexican sister city, Ciudad JuÁrez, suffered almost 2,700 murders last year, most of them drug-related, making it possibly the world's most violent town. But El Paso, a stone's throw across the Rio Grande, had just one murder. A big reason, say U.S. law-enforcement officials, is that the Mexican drug cartels' bloody turf wars generally end at the border and don't follow the drugs into the U.S. Another, says El Paso County Sheriff Richard Wiles, is that "the Mexican cartels know that if they try to commit that kind of violence here, they'll get shut down." (See photos of Mexico's drug wars.)

Which points to perhaps the most important factor: the U.S. has real cops - not criminals posing as cops, as is so often the case in Mexico - policing the border's cities and states. Americans and Mexicans may call their border region "seamless" when it comes to commerce and culture, but that brotherly ideal doesn't apply to law enforcement. That's especially true since state and local police are backed along the border by the thousands of federal agents deployed there. Thus the tough Arizona law - which seeks to allow local and state police to check a person's immigration status, a provision that Judge Bolton agreed opened the door to racial profiling by officers, and requires immigrants to carry their documents at all times - was sparked by largely unfounded fears.

Arizona law-enforcement officials say they believe the Cochise County rancher, Robert Krentz, was killed by an illegal immigrant - perhaps a coyote, or migrant smuggler - or a drug trafficker. His last radio transmission home as he inspected his property indicated he was helping a struggling person he believed to be one of the migrants who regularly trespass private land while crossing into the U.S. But while such assaults are hardly unheard of along the border - and while it's hardly irrational to worry about Mexico's violence eventually spilling into the U.S. - they have hardly risen to a level that justified the draconian Arizona bill. (In fact, if an illegal immigrant did murder Krentz, it would be the first time in more than a decade that a migrant has killed an American along the border's Tucson, Ariz., sector.)

"There's a real disconnect between emotions and facts when it comes to the border," says El Paso city councilman Beto O'Rourke. "You've got a lot of politicians exploiting this fear that the Mexicans are coming over to kill us."

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I thought the infomation was interesting because they used crime asa major reason for pushing when in truth their crime is one of the lowest in the country. The law also goes against the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments of our constitution.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
this is what the 14th amendment says:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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