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Posted by 23109 (Member # 4347) on :
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/19/arizona-official-threatens-cut-los-angeles-power-payback-boycott/
 
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
Fuck LA, maybe all the illegals can make electricity by running in a huge hamster wheel then. LOL
 
Posted by 351SVO (Member # 9473) on :
 
Politics suck balls and no matter what illegals will come into this country

THE END.
 
Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation." 

[worship] that's karma you Hollywood liberals. Let's see you guys heat your 10,000 sq homes with your 10 solar panels on your roof. [Smile]
 
Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 
LOL... Oh man, can you imagine the chaos in LA if they lost access to the power and water that comes from AZ?
 
Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
good for arizona

CA has no business telling arizona how to run its state...
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by phonso302:
good for arizona

CA has no business telling arizona how to run its state...
This +10
 
Posted by NCALSVT (Member # 3205) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by phonso302:
good for arizona

CA has no business telling arizona how to run its state...
This +10
no......but the fight isnt just in arizona,fuck the minutemen,its irrelevant,but i hate those basterds
 
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
Well guess what fellas Arizona is making a grave decision by doing this. Their losing millions of dollars every week and trust me the numbers will only grow. Back in 95 or 96 Arizona didn't recognize MLK jr day and lost alot of money and lost the superbowl which ultimatly lost the state of California over 100 millions dollars. And the baseball all star game is coming to Arizona next year which will most likely be boycotted by the Hispanic players and might just be moved. It's not only sports that's makit a huge impact it's business in general, this law will not last.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
People wouldn't give a flying fuck if they put this law in place say in Montana.

The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this.

The whole thing is absurd, the boycotts that is. Bunch of self righteous idiots wasting their time and taxpayer money.
 
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yaterstang:
Fuck LA, maybe all the illegals can make electricity by running in a huge hamster wheel then. LOL
LOL! quote of the mother fuckin day! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
 
Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
+10

profiling is part of good community policing...
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
I still find it funny that most all of us dont already know that profiling is used EVERYWHERE. weather or not it is written it is what any good cop does. he looks at you and judges your book by its cover. "hence you drive a scraper smoking a blunt and playing loud music" you will be pulled over. "oh your registration isnt past due? Im sorry it looked like it was> since Ive already pulled you over why dont I ask you a few questions!" LOL probable cause folks....its probable that since you LOOK like scum You are.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
There is a science to what Arizona is suggesting. FBI, CIA and HSA type folks get training to observe characteristics and mannerisms of folks from another reason. They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased (because no sensitivity training or testing).

I admire what they are trying to do it is just misplaced and implemented wrong. And ultimately a state that is already a asshole of the US will become a festering sore.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by r1:
..."hence you drive a scraper smoking a blunt and playing loud music" you will be pulled over....
Are you really drawing a coorelation from your scenario to that of being pulled over for just being of Latin descent or what could be viewed as "possibly" Latin...lol
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
my point is if you look "shady" "illegal" or"grimey" step your game up stop hanging out at homedepot all day and no one is gonna fuck with you. LOL
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by N8:
They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased

Did you really say that? Dude their job all day is to talk to people . Some good some bad. They are more trained in that sense at looking at people and knowing whats up then most of us. Sure they are not always right but no one is.... Just cuz we blog about shit dont think you or I are more trained hahaha Im just saying...Dont you wear wooden shoes anyways LOL

[ May 19, 2010, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: r1 ]
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
I just look at it like this. If your legal and not actin a fool then you have nothing to worry about.

If your illegal and doing dumb shit to get a cops attention then have fun being deported.

I don't have a problem with illegals in this country. I have a problem with illegals who do dumb shit/commit crimes.

The way I read the law, and hope that it is enforced, is that they are not gonna go around asking people on the street if they are illegal or not. However, if they pull you over, or you attract them by doing dumb shit, then sorry, bye bye back to wherever you came from.

I dont have a problem proving that Im legal to drive when I get pulled over. If your legal you dont have shit to worry about.

[ May 19, 2010, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: 90gtvert ]
 
Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
There is a science to what Arizona is suggesting. FBI, CIA and HSA type folks get training to observe characteristics and mannerisms of folks from another reason. They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased (because no sensitivity training or testing).

I admire what they are trying to do it is just misplaced and implemented wrong. And ultimately a state that is already a asshole of the US will become a festering sore.
and even they make mistakes, I believe fbi PROFILERS thought the NYC Time Square bomber would be a white Caucasian male mad over obama's health care bill.

The law itself doesnt target or mention any specific race or nationality,it targets ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.It just happens that the majority of Illegal Immigrants in Arizona are hispanic.
 
Posted by 351SVO (Member # 9473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
"Dont stereotype but if he looks like an illegal ask that wetback for his green card"

Come on guy don't be a retard
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by phonso302:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
There is a science to what Arizona is suggesting. FBI, CIA and HSA type folks get training to observe characteristics and mannerisms of folks from another reason. They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased (because no sensitivity training or testing).

I admire what they are trying to do it is just misplaced and implemented wrong. And ultimately a state that is already a asshole of the US will become a festering sore.
and even they make mistakes, I believe fbi PROFILERS thought the NYC Time Square bomber would be a white Caucasian male mad over obama's health care bill.

The law itself doesnt target or mention any specific race or nationality,it targets ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.It just happens that the majority of Illegal Immigrants in Arizona are hispanic.
By that logic all Anti-Terrorism bills are racist, it targets terrorism in general. It just happens that the majority mainstream terrorists are of middle eastern/asian and russian descent.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351SVO:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
"Dont stereotype but if he looks like an illegal ask that wetback for his green card"

Come on guy don't be a retard
Well if the guy is dumb enough to pull attention from the cops, what did he expect?
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
the funny thing is... PEOPLE WANT TO OVER LOOK THE FACT THAT "THEY ARE ILLEGALS!" WHAT DON'T PEOPLE GET ABOUT THAT! you want to be here so bad.. 1. get your papers legal style 2. pay taxes 3. learn to speak english 4. be a good american! [patriot]

[ May 19, 2010, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: warhorse58gt ]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by phonso302:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
There is a science to what Arizona is suggesting. FBI, CIA and HSA type folks get training to observe characteristics and mannerisms of folks from another reason. They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased (because no sensitivity training or testing).

I admire what they are trying to do it is just misplaced and implemented wrong. And ultimately a state that is already a asshole of the US will become a festering sore.
and even they make mistakes, I believe fbi PROFILERS thought the NYC Time Square bomber would be a white Caucasian male mad over obama's health care bill.

The law itself doesnt target or mention any specific race or nationality,it targets ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.It just happens that the majority of Illegal Immigrants in Arizona are hispanic.
By that logic all Anti-Terrorism bills are racist, it targets terrorism in general. It just happens that the majority mainstream terrorists are of middle eastern/asian and russian descent.
They are, but the key is the personnel involved has the proper training. Thus a way to measure ones competency and a way to protect against litigation in the event a mistake is made. Plus a measure for accountability. Its a form of checks and balances when you have a process behind it. Not just tell a bunch of non-trained personnel to go out there and look for folks who are illegal based on whatever you dream up. Its a recipe for disaster and dissolution of responsibility. Like I said I like what they are doing, but taking the neanderthal approach is not wise.
 
Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by phonso302:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
There is a science to what Arizona is suggesting. FBI, CIA and HSA type folks get training to observe characteristics and mannerisms of folks from another reason. They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased (because no sensitivity training or testing).

I admire what they are trying to do it is just misplaced and implemented wrong. And ultimately a state that is already a asshole of the US will become a festering sore.
and even they make mistakes, I believe fbi PROFILERS thought the NYC Time Square bomber would be a white Caucasian male mad over obama's health care bill.

The law itself doesnt target or mention any specific race or nationality,it targets ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.It just happens that the majority of Illegal Immigrants in Arizona are hispanic.
By that logic all Anti-Terrorism bills are racist, it targets terrorism in general. It just happens that the majority mainstream terrorists are of middle eastern/asian and russian descent.
what are you talking about? I simply pointed out that even trained professionals make mistakes.
 
Posted by uncle bill (Member # 3953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
...The specifically have part of the bill say they cannot racially stereotype, but people seem to not want to talk about this...
lol...that is smoke and mirrors.
Is it, or is that what you want to believe?
There is a science to what Arizona is suggesting. FBI, CIA and HSA type folks get training to observe characteristics and mannerisms of folks from another reason. They are essentially trusting cops whom have no training and are more than likely biased (because no sensitivity training or testing).

I admire what they are trying to do it is just misplaced and implemented wrong. And ultimately a state that is already a asshole of the US will become a festering sore.
n8 you are assumeing arizona cops have no senitivity training. if they do or they dont we can still assume they well be biased because the people of arizona are tired of this problem and you can be sure the law suites well overflow thier system. i like you also admire what they are doing, at least they are doing something! and i believe its right since all theyve done is adopt a 53 year old existing federal law because they have the balls to enforce it unlike the politically correct pricks who want to run our state. now for the issue of this thread, i dont think arizona should cut off the power, i think they should claim an economic hardship and at least triple the rates that well make more sence and get alot more attention

[ May 19, 2010, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: uncle bill ]
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
Hardship oh yeah I like that.....Now that would be funny....How bout all the folks in Sf today protesting Sf changing its safe haven deal where they dont report illegals unless its a felony... people arent even aware of what is happening right in our backyard. oh well good luck SF
 
Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
Arizona made it a state law that it is illegal to be here, if you are here illegaly. The only reason Arizona created this law is because the federal gov isn't cracking down and enforcing it's own law. It's a federal law and has been for many years. They don't report on the news the facts about how much crime and money is spent in Arizona and other states because of people being here illegaly.

Wish people would just look at it in black and white. It's the law. Federal and now state!
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
Just thought of an analogy.....

Weed=illegal= no taxes or revenue to state yet we spend money on drug enforcement. Money going out not coming in. Legalize it and make money on it.


Illegal Immigrants=no taxes or revenue to state (please dont say they work in farms and shit cuz they do butt hey still dont pay taxes neither do they when you hire them at home depot.) yet we spend money on their healthecare,crimes and law enforcement. Legalize them and make them pay what all of us pay.

Anyone agree with my analogy or am I way off?
 
Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
^ don't think they should just become Americans without going through all the steps everyone else went or goes thru.

My family came here legit from Italy, why can't everyone else do the same. [patriot]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by r1:
Just thought of an analogy.....

Weed=illegal= no taxes or revenue to state yet we spend money on drug enforcement. Money going out not coming in. Legalize it and make money on it.


Illegal Immigrants=no taxes or revenue to state (please dont say they work in farms and shit cuz they do butt hey still dont pay taxes neither do they when you hire them at home depot.) yet we spend money on their healthecare,crimes and law enforcement. Legalize them and make them pay what all of us pay.

Anyone agree with my analogy or am I way off?
I believe you are off to a good sized degree. But not on the weed part. Just like the prohibition years alcohol got us out of the depression, I think weed can do the same thing.
 
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
Some people really believe that there is a racist society out to get their particular race. Sorry but that thinking is dying out with the original people that did that. The newer generation do not feel this way and the people who are racist are outcast and not typically part of main stream society. But what hasn't changed is that illegal still means not+legal. Enjoy the darkness LA!
 
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:
^ don't think they should just become Americans without going through all the steps everyone else went or goes thru.

My family came here legit from Italy, why can't everyone else do the same. [patriot]
Its because you have to have some form of financial backing to live here. And you must document that you have several months of reserves or a sponser who has a decent savings to cover your ass while your trying to get established. What is amazing is there is a good percentage of mexicans, oops, illegal aliens that can survive and make a decent living for years. But there is another element that cannot support themselves and they become the drain of our society by either taking our services for free or becoming criminals. Remember 30% of the entire inmate population is illegally here.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yaterstang:
Some people really believe that there is a racist society out to get their particular race. Sorry but that thinking is dying out with the original people that did that.....
You obviously never lived in the south. It is still alive and kickin in its rawest form. I think a lot of the problem is folks fail to look beyond their noses, which gives them the impression of some sort of eutopia where there are no ramification for rash decisions. Right is right, we all agree there. but there is also a right way to do right.
 
Posted by Wolfie351 (Member # 651) on :
 
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
How is jogging gonna get the attention of the cops? The cops are not going to go door to door looking for illegal immigrants like ICE does.

You think the cops want to stop every single person and check their ID? If you do, dont be so naive.

If you attract the cops by doing something stupid and you are acting shady, then ya your going to get asked for ID.

This bill will only affect people who attract the attention of the cops.
 
Posted by 23109 (Member # 4347) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
you my friend have no clue what your talking about
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
I in no way meant citizenship should be freely given out nor did I mean weed should be leagalized without recourse. Just making an analogy for all the smart folks on here that illegal imigrants dont contribute to the fund $$$ that they draw from making me and every other tax paying citizen their sponsor. Not cool.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by r1:
I in no way meant citizenship should be freely given out nor did I mean weed should be leagalized without recourse. Just making an analogy for all the smart folks on here that illegal imigrants dont contribute to the fund $$$ that they draw from making me and every other tax paying citizen their sponsor. Not cool.
They should have the aid cut off. Why encourage breaking the law?
 
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
Sure you were just jogging, you were probably trying to get into the country illegally. So while your dumbass waits in jail for someone to drop off your ID, then you might think twice about running around without ID.
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
Also this is going to sound cold but anyone else ever feel like fuck it "not my fault you were born in a shit land, stay there and try and fix it instead of adding to my countries problems?"
I know this isnt the common thought or at least spoken opinion but I guess I do feel some sort of entitlement but it was my grandparents who came and went through all the shitty ass processes to be an american citizen so their (great grandchildren) me could have a better life -hence my entitlement feeling?
 
Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
try memorizing your dl# works everytime I am caught without it. and Ive never spent a day in jail...oh wait I am a legal citizen. shit who woulda thunk it!
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by r1:
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
try memorizing your dl# works everytime I am caught without it. and Ive never spent a day in jail...oh wait I am a legal citizen. shit who woulda thunk it!
Ive had mine memorized since the week after I got it...12 years ago.
 
Posted by 351SVO (Member # 9473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by r1:
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
try memorizing your dl# works everytime I am caught without it. and Ive never spent a day in jail...oh wait I am a legal citizen. shit who woulda thunk it!
Ive had mine memorized since the week after I got it...12 years ago.
Damn dude that's fucking awesome someone should give you a prize like a cookie or something.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351SVO:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by r1:
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
The backlash against the AZ law isn't about protecting illegals, it's about protecting LEGAL residents from having to prove their residency at the whim of local police. Don't have your ID on you while you're out jogging? Well, have fun spending the day in jail while you try to prove your citizenship.
try memorizing your dl# works everytime I am caught without it. and Ive never spent a day in jail...oh wait I am a legal citizen. shit who woulda thunk it!
Ive had mine memorized since the week after I got it...12 years ago.
Damn dude that's fucking awesome someone should give you a prize like a cookie or something.
Im down for a cookie
 
Posted by 23109 (Member # 4347) on :
 
give me one too because I know mine
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
I know beggers cant be choosers...


but please make mine a Snickerdoodle.
 
Posted by 351SVO (Member # 9473) on :
 
Alright but they are made from illegals from Arizona just thought I'd warn u first [patriot]
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351SVO:
Alright but they are made from illegals from Arizona just thought I'd warn u first [patriot]
As long as they taste good, I could care less where they came from.
 
Posted by 351SVO (Member # 9473) on :
 
HahahHa uhh I meant made by not from
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 351SVO:
HahahHa uhh I meant made by not from
Either way lol
 
Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
I hope Arizona shuts the power off for LA. Fuck that city.
 




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