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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=7243306

I'm glad the daughter got the money, sucks for the parents though
 

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Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
thats one hell of a negotiation going from 50million to settling on 1.5mil.
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 
hmmmmmm, even though this guy wouldnt of made 1.5 mil for his kid, im happy she got it.

as far as his mom suing. i hope she loses. cant put a value on losing a child(i couldnt anyways). and suing is just a low class way to scam some cash imho
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by venomous99:
thats one hell of a negotiation going from 50million to settling on 1.5mil.

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Mr Burris probably took half of that money, hell maybe even more
 

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Posted by BLK35th (Member # 4685) on :
 
5

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1/28/10 10:38 AM EST
To determine a settlement, you have to determine how much a person would have made in a life time. There is no way Grant would have made 1.5 million. He was a bum and a gangster. How much did the 4 cops that got killed in Oakland get? No offense to the child, but neither her nor her mother deserve a penny. Mark As Violation /.........


Really??? I didn't know that this is what settlements on murder cases were based on....I just learned something new. Thank you interwebzzz
 

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Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:
hmmmmmm, even though this guy wouldnt of made 1.5 mil for his kid, im happy she got it.

as far as his mom suing. i hope she loses. cant put a value on losing a child(i couldnt anyways). and suing is just a low class way to scam some cash imho

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Originally posted by venomous99:
thats one hell of a negotiation going from 50million to settling on 1.5mil.

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Mr Burris probably took half of that money, hell maybe even more

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:
hmmmmmm, even though this guy wouldnt of made 1.5 mil for his kid, im happy she got it.

as far as his mom suing. i hope she loses. cant put a value on losing a child(i couldnt anyways). and suing is just a low class way to scam some cash imho

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well said, and now the mother can't even complain about needing money for the grand-daughter.

Should the police officer be tried for murder????? what you guys think!

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Originally posted by venomous99:
thats one hell of a negotiation going from 50million to settling on 1.5mil.

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:
hmmmmmm, even though this guy wouldnt of made 1.5 mil for his kid, im happy she got it.

as far as his mom suing. i hope she loses. cant put a value on losing a child(i couldnt anyways). and suing is just a low class way to scam some cash imho

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Should the police officer be tried for murder????? what you guys think!

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oh this could get ugly
 

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Posted by BLK35th (Member # 4685) on :
 
I shall check back in an hour to read page 10.lol
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 
im a firm believer that the mom should get zero,nothing....

also a firm believer that assuming a role as a peace officer entitles you to have extensive knowledge of what your doing. i believe he was fully trainined and knew what he was doing.MURDER.
 

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Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
My $.02. Most people in one way or another get what they had coming that goes for the victim if there was any and the criminals wich there is plenty of in this circumstance. Save me all the what if a women gets raped shit im talking specificallya bout men getting treated poorly by law enforcement.
 

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Posted by SAMACH1 (Member # 7042) on :
 
arr you guys serious? he was shot for NO REASON, doesnt matter what kind of person you are.. sure got some real pieces of work ( i could think of something else too) on this board.
 

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Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
1.5 mil after attorney's fees are bullshit. I sat on a jury that awarded 4 mil in malpractice money and the bitch lived. Sounds like they burned a second time because they will run through that money really quick. The kid probably wont see any of it after her guardians "invest" the kids money.
 

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Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
I dont see why taxpayers and bart riders have to pay the bill,make the dumb ass that shot him pay for it...
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
Yea 1.5 is kinda low I would never trade that for my dad and those cops who got murdered they knew the risk they took when they put the badge on sucks but that comes with the job and for the Bart cop he should be tried for murder if you carry a gun you better k ow what your doing and shooting anyone in the back you fucked up
 

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Posted by 5OHS5OH (Member # 4665) on :
 

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also a firm believer that assuming a role as a peace officer entitles you to have extensive knowledge of what your doing. i believe he was fully trainined and knew what he was doing.MURDER.

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Do you know what it takes to prove "MURDER"? It takes intent. Do you think the officer thought to himself, "Yep, here is my chance. I finally get to kill someone. Too bad there are all these pesky witnesses and co-workers around." I'm sorry that Mr. Grant died, he clearly shouldn't have. I'm sorry his daughter/wife/mother have to go on / grow up without him. It doesn't matter to me what kind of person he was before he was killed. Ganster, preacher, good dude, bad guy, he didn't deserve to die. If you think the officer "MURDERED" him, I don't think you have life in perspective. It was a mistake, the officer intended to use his Taser and he grabbed the wrong tool. Then the officer got shitty representation and made some poor choices in his decision making about what he thought was best for himself.
Does he deserve to be punished, yes. Imprisoned, maybe. Convicted of murder? Not a f'n chance. I'm sure it's possible he does get convicted of murder, because a jury could be a tricky animal. I predict he does not get convicted of murder, and Oakland burns down, and more innocent people get hurt. You know why? Because that is our society. People will smash a window, steal some shit, attack a stranger, and they won't even remember Oscar Grants name.
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
Cool I'm ready to loot where's mm location I will start there JK
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 

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also a firm believer that assuming a role as a peace officer entitles you to have extensive knowledge of what your doing. i believe he was fully trainined and knew what he was doing.MURDER.

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Do you know what it takes to prove "MURDER"? It takes intent. Do you think the officer thought to himself, "Yep, here is my chance. I finally get to kill someone. Too bad there are all these pesky witnesses and co-workers around." I'm sorry that Mr. Grant died, he clearly shouldn't have. I'm sorry his daughter/wife/mother have to go on / grow up without him. It doesn't matter to me what kind of person he was before he was killed. Ganster, preacher, good dude, bad guy, he didn't deserve to die. If you think the officer "MURDERED" him, I don't think you have life in perspective. It was a mistake, the officer intended to use his Taser and he grabbed the wrong tool. Then the officer got shitty representation and made some poor choices in his decision making about what he thought was best for himself.
Does he deserve to be punished, yes. Imprisoned, maybe. Convicted of murder? Not a f'n chance. I'm sure it's possible he does get convicted of murder, because a jury could be a tricky animal. I predict he does not get convicted of murder, and Oakland burns down, and more innocent people get hurt. You know why? Because that is our society. People will smash a window, steal some shit, attack a stranger, and they won't even remember Oscar Grants name.

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So you mean to tell me if (just what if) i were coming home from the shooting range one day, and i had my glock 40 in the car with me because I was going to a diffrent side of town, but i left the clip in the trunk. I get approched by a mean looking white guy (mind you this is just a what if) and he attacks me for what ever reason. But i pull my gun and accidentally pull the trigger not realizing there was a round in the chamber, and I kill the guy!!!! WOULD THAT BE AN ACCIDENT? I mean im not wrong for having what i think to be an unloaded reigistered firearm in my possesion, and defending my self??? No im black and I killed somebody rather they be black or white. Im gonna get some type of murder charge. What makes it so different for a cop??? Wrong is wrong, even cops should be punished for there mistakes.


my 2 cents
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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also a firm believer that assuming a role as a peace officer entitles you to have extensive knowledge of what your doing. i believe he was fully trainined and knew what he was doing.MURDER.

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Do you know what it takes to prove "MURDER"? It takes intent. Do you think the officer thought to himself, "Yep, here is my chance. I finally get to kill someone. Too bad there are all these pesky witnesses and co-workers around." I'm sorry that Mr. Grant died, he clearly shouldn't have. I'm sorry his daughter/wife/mother have to go on / grow up without him. It doesn't matter to me what kind of person he was before he was killed. Ganster, preacher, good dude, bad guy, he didn't deserve to die. If you think the officer "MURDERED" him, I don't think you have life in perspective. It was a mistake, the officer intended to use his Taser and he grabbed the wrong tool. Then the officer got shitty representation and made some poor choices in his decision making about what he thought was best for himself.
Does he deserve to be punished, yes. Imprisoned, maybe. Convicted of murder? Not a f'n chance. I'm sure it's possible he does get convicted of murder, because a jury could be a tricky animal. I predict he does not get convicted of murder, and Oakland burns down, and more innocent people get hurt. You know why? Because that is our society. People will smash a window, steal some shit, attack a stranger, and they won't even remember Oscar Grants name.

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also a firm believer that assuming a role as a peace officer entitles you to have extensive knowledge of what your doing. i believe he was fully trainined and knew what he was doing.MURDER.

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Do you know what it takes to prove "MURDER"? It takes intent. Do you think the officer thought to himself, "Yep, here is my chance. I finally get to kill someone. Too bad there are all these pesky witnesses and co-workers around." I'm sorry that Mr. Grant died, he clearly shouldn't have. I'm sorry his daughter/wife/mother have to go on / grow up without him. It doesn't matter to me what kind of person he was before he was killed. Ganster, preacher, good dude, bad guy, he didn't deserve to die. If you think the officer "MURDERED" him, I don't think you have life in perspective. It was a mistake, the officer intended to use his Taser and he grabbed the wrong tool. Then the officer got shitty representation and made some poor choices in his decision making about what he thought was best for himself.
Does he deserve to be punished, yes. Imprisoned, maybe. Convicted of murder? Not a f'n chance. I'm sure it's possible he does get convicted of murder, because a jury could be a tricky animal. I predict he does not get convicted of murder, and Oakland burns down, and more innocent people get hurt. You know why? Because that is our society. People will smash a window, steal some shit, attack a stranger, and they won't even remember Oscar Grants name.

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So you mean to tell me if (just what if) i were coming home from the shooting range one day, and i had my glock 40 in the car with me because I was going to a diffrent side of town, but i left the clip in the trunk. I get approched by a mean looking white guy (mind you this is just a what if) and he attacks me for what ever reason. But i pull my gun and accidentally pull the trigger not realizing there was a round in the chamber, and I kill the guy!!!! WOULD THAT BE AN ACCIDENT? I mean im not wrong for having what i think to be an unloaded reigistered firearm in my possesion, and defending my self??? No im black and I killed somebody rather they be black or white. Im gonna get some type of murder charge. What makes it so different for a cop??? Wrong is wrong, even cops should be punished for there mistakes.


my 2 cents

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
[QB] So you mean to tell me if (just what if) i were coming home from the shooting range one day, and i had my glock 40 in the car with me because I was going to a diffrent side of town, but i left the clip in the trunk. I get approched by a mean looking white guy (mind you this is just a what if) and he attacks me for what ever reason. But i pull my gun and accidentally pull the trigger not realizing there was a round in the chamber, and I kill the guy!!!! WOULD THAT BE AN ACCIDENT? I mean im not wrong for having what i think to be an unloaded reigistered firearm in my possesion, and defending my self??? No im black and I killed somebody rather they be black or white. Im gonna get some type of murder charge. What makes it so different for a cop??? Wrong is wrong, even cops should be punished for there mistakes.

^you would be wrong because regardless of what you think or want, you illegally have a loaded weapon in your car. However that may get thrown aside if you were clearly going to lose your life and pointing a presumably unloaded gun may somehow save you from an attacker.

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So im sure you have seen the tapes, so if you were in a bar confirtation (just so happen) and your buddys were doing all the bad shit and you just happned to be with them. And when the cops come the try to take you to jail for it, while the were putting you in cuffs would you not try to pled your case? I mean really what if he really didnt do shit (just what if) he was laying down, he was just trying to speak his peace!!! that was murder
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
Yup it was murder^
 

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Posted by SAMACH1 (Member # 7042) on :
 

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
[QB] So you mean to tell me if (just what if) i were coming home from the shooting range one day, and i had my glock 40 in the car with me because I was going to a diffrent side of town, but i left the clip in the trunk. I get approched by a mean looking white guy (mind you this is just a what if) and he attacks me for what ever reason. But i pull my gun and accidentally pull the trigger not realizing there was a round in the chamber, and I kill the guy!!!! WOULD THAT BE AN ACCIDENT? I mean im not wrong for having what i think to be an unloaded reigistered firearm in my possesion, and defending my self??? No im black and I killed somebody rather they be black or white. Im gonna get some type of murder charge. What makes it so different for a cop??? Wrong is wrong, even cops should be punished for there mistakes.

^you would be wrong because regardless of what you think or want, you illegally have a loaded weapon in your car. However that may get thrown aside if you were clearly going to lose your life and pointing a presumably unloaded gun may somehow save you from an attacker.

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So im sure you have seen the tapes, so if you were in a bar confirtation (just so happen) and your buddys were doing all the bad shit and you just happned to be with them. And when the cops come the try to take you to jail for it, while the were putting you in cuffs would you not try to pled your case? I mean really what if he really didnt do shit (just what if) he was laying down, he was just trying to speak his peace!!! that was murder

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i dont know why its even a question, why would you even need to taze someone when they are face down with there hands behind there back?!?!?!!??! its funny how cops get the benefit of the doubt but ordinary citizens never do....

 

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Posted by gray03gt (Member # 6427) on :
 
He did shoot the guy who was cuffed I believe. That's not right. But the man also is at fault for breaking the law. And I wouldn't assume that your personal behavior and response to a conFRONTation in a bar is the same as mine or anyone elses. You wonder why a small percentage of people have confrontations with police while the rest are somehow able to stay out of trouble.
 

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Posted by fasthatch (Member # 7277) on :
 

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So im sure you have seen the tapes, so if you were in a bar confirtation (just so happen) and your buddys were doing all the bad shit and you just happned to be with them. And when the cops come the try to take you to jail for it, while the were putting you in cuffs would you not try to pled your case? I mean really what if he really didnt do shit (just what if) he was laying down, he was just trying to speak his peace!!! that was murder [/QB][/QUOTE]
this is easy to answer don't say shit an just ask for a lawyer
 

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Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Cops have a hard job, and shit heads on the street dont give a crap about anyone or anything, especially cops, which is why cops carry all those types of defensive tools on their duty belts. however, in this case, #1, I was not there so I am not judging either one, #2, from the way it looks, the officer screwed up, and who knows what was in his head but a taser and a gun are not located on the same side of your belt, hence so u dont mix them up, and most tasers are cross draw anyway. I dont think he was going for the taser, and I dont know what he was trying to do, but when u go for your gun, u may have to kill some one. Thats why when u go through the academy they drill the safety and consequences with drawing your firearm.

dude on the ground, Grant, should have just not moved, resisted, argue etc (if he did) and let it just play out.

Either way it happened and its over, and now the courts will have to figure out whats going to happen, but settlement money is weak, poor kid has no idea whats goin on. But u cant say its murder, unkless the cop woke up that mornning saying "Im gonna shoot someone tonight..."

Cop may get manslaughter, or 2nd degree...
 

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Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :
 
Kind of restating what 5oh siad but if you guys dont understand INTENT then you dont belong in a conversation of whether or not its murder. IS it fucked up and did the officer fuck up YES, but Murder is based on what you were thinking right before and shortly up to the point when he shot him. To all the cop haters look at your lifestyle and your body language when you are pulled over or confronted by law enforcement. I work in a jail and let me tell you EVERYONE IS INNOCENT LMAO
 

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Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 

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There's no doubt in my mind if hes not convicted of murder which would be impossible to prove there will be rioting in Oakland and many people will get hurt.

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There's no doubt in my mind if hes not convicted of murder which would be impossible to prove there will be rioting in Oakland and many people will get hurt.

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Would you expect anything else from the fine citizens of oakland? Seems people in areas like that are always looking for a reason to go get a new TV and destroy everyone's property.

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To all the cop haters look at your lifestyle and your body language when you are pulled over or confronted by law enforcement. I work in a jail and let me tell you EVERYONE IS INNOCENT LMAO

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LOL this couldn't be more true. Blame everything on our oppressive society. Self accountability no longer exists.
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 

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I hope he doesnt get convicted so they with burn, loot kill and go crazy in oakland Maybe they will clean it up. All the crack heads, drugs dealers, convicted felons, child molesters, car thieves thieves in general, but the sad thing is after they are all gone only 5% of Oakland will be left. LOL that city or should I say the large majority of people that live there are a complete mess, I say fuck it burn that place to the ground.

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BET YOU WISHED YOU WERE FROM OAKLAND IN HIGH SCHOOL, THEN MAYBE ALL THE COOL KIDS FROM OAKLAND WOULD NOT HAVE BEAT YOU UP


510 HUH SO WHERE ARE YOU FROM???
 

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Posted by 2Foxes2Five0Coupes (Member # 9154) on :
 

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I hope he doesnt get convicted so they with burn, loot kill and go crazy in oakland Maybe they will clean it up. All the crack heads, drugs dealers, convicted felons, child molesters, car thieves thieves in general, but the sad thing is after they are all gone only 5% of Oakland will be left. LOL that city or should I say the large majority of people that live there are a complete mess, I say fuck it burn that place to the ground.

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LOL!!!??? Your fired!!! Like Dude from ESPN talking about Haiti. Sh*t talkin gets you nowhere especially when it's uncalled for nor funny. Your just an "insensitive" person to this tragedy and someone that get's off on typing Glad Oscars daughter got something , his family really deserves more ...
 

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Posted by 51505.0 (Member # 1904) on :
 
ToTalk you can come see me whenever you want, dont make this personal issue. There are plenty of people on this site that know me, and yes 510 is where I was born and raised. If you are that 10% that is the great part of Oakland then Im happy for u.
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/01/BAT11BPR1O.DTL

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Behind the scenes, there's bad news for prosecutors in the upcoming murder trial of ex-BART police Officer Johannes Mehserle.
The trouble comes in the form of eyewitness statements to police who investigated the fatal shooting of Oscar Grant and depositions in the lawsuit that led to a $1.5 million settlement from BART for the slain man's daughter.

Mehserle has been charged with murder for shooting Grant as the Hayward man lay face down on the Fruitvale Station platform in Oakland while being detained by officers early Jan. 1, 2009. Mehserle's lawyers say he shot Grant by accident while thinking he was firing a Taser.

Mehserle may get unexpected backup from some of Grant's companions who were detained with him at Fruitvale after a fight on a train.

One of the friends - Jack Bryson, who was on his knees just two feet from Grant - told police in a taped statement that night that he heard Mehserle warn Grant that he was going to Tase him, just before he shot him, sources tell us.

Another friend said in a deposition in the Grant family's lawsuit that Mehserle hadn't cursed, used racial slurs against the African American suspects or displayed anger before shooting Grant. That could prove to be fodder for a defense argument that Mehserle had no intention of killing Grant.

Alameda County Deputy District Attorney David Stein declined to comment, citing a gag order that a judge imposed on parties in the case.

By the way, the $1.5 million settlement for Grant's 5-year-old daughter, Tatiana, is expected to be placed in an interest-bearing account that could grow to $4.5 million to be paid out over the next 30 years, said John Burris, the attorney for the Grant family.

"We can't bring back her father," Burris said, "but we can still provide for his daughter."

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Originally posted by 51505.0:
ToTalk you can come see me whenever you want, dont make this personal issue. There are plenty of people on this site that know me, and yes 510 is where I was born and raised. If you are that 10% that is the great part of Oakland then Im happy for u.

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SOUNDS GOOD!!! IF I DONT KNOW YOU U AINT NOBODY!!! GETTA A RESUME TOGTHER
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
"We can't bring back her father," Burris said, "but we can still provide for his daughter." ( burr-ass thinking in his head )
" And I can make a boat load of cash off his death "
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
Still sucks though
 

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