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Posted by scoop510 (Member # 8726) on :
 
Another Bart incident. looks like Bart isnt at fault this time. guy was drunk and wanted to fight everyone

http://cbs5.com/video

[ November 22, 2009, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: scoop510 ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
wow maybe im seeing things since its just a pov but thats excessive force at its finest.
they realy did say that the video was just a point of view lol.
to many bad cops out there all of a sudden............or is it finaly catching up to there punk ass!!!!!
 

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Posted by 5OHS5OH (Member # 4665) on :
 
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".

Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".

Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...

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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".

Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...

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+1
 

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Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :
 

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".

Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...

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+1

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the first PIG to speak up i guess

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".

Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...

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+1

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+2, if your calm and listen to what they tell you, you wont get man handled.

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OBJECTION: sounds like "I think" speculation.
 

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Posted by SHOalex (Member # 7720) on :
 
Drunk fuck got what he asked for hahahaha I think it was funny, fr5.0 did you recently get a speedint ticket or something?
 

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Posted by snakebit95 (Member # 8871) on :
 
+1000 Drunk ass got what he deserved, there was women & children on that train and he is acting crazy, you get handled. BTW if you watch the video again the suspects throws a punch at the glass. And if you have been diagnost with bi polor or scitzo dont be getting drunk in public, not a good combo.
 

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Posted by 68stanger (Member # 7842) on :
 
if the guy was out of control on that train why are you handleing the guy all by yourself? maybe they (bart police) are tring to make the situation seem more extreme then it really is (out of control combative drunk not saying its not possible but.... since when does the a cop subdue an out of control person by throwing them at a wall, why not take him straight to the floor. to me it looks like the cop was attempting to ruff the guy up.
 

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Posted by CALiFORNIAGT (Member # 7845) on :
 
he should have shot him!
 

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Posted by 68stanger (Member # 7842) on :
 

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Originally posted by CALiFORNIAGT:
he should have shot him!

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rite in the lower calf then when hes on one knee shoot him in the head. that will teach those drunk bastards
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Well consider that dude paid. The broke window all but insured that. Right or wrong he is paid as in the a legal sense that is excessive force. Now in a street/holding court in the street sense. He got what he deserved. Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid. Sucks but it is life these days on BART. Why work to get rich when you can ride BART and get paid by actin a ass.
 

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Posted by snakebit95 (Member # 8871) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
Well consider that dude paid. The broke window all but insured that. Right or wrong he is paid as in the a legal sense that is excessive force. Now in a street/holding court in the street sense. He got what he deserved. Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid. Sucks but it is life these days on BART. Why work to get rich when you can ride BART and get paid by actin a ass.

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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.

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Originally posted by That_Guy:

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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.

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I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.

The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.

Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.

The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.

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EXCELLENT post! I agree 100%
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by That_Guy:

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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.

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I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.

The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.

Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.

The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by That_Guy:

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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.

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I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.

The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.

Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.

The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.

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You must didnt watch the same vid I watched lol. The officer did put some "umph" on the relocatin to the wall. The dude was not struggling or fighting and appeared to be subdued for the most part IMO. But like I said, I have no sympathy for the offender and feel sorry for the cop. But even I could get a cool settlement for him with that video.

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Well here is the video I watched...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbk5EsuTQxg

You can see the suspect clearly dragging his feet and resisting the officer's escort and then continue to resist all the way to the ground.

You can see how agitated and unstable the man is on the train and the confrontation that is just starting to occur with another BART rider... The officer has to go in there and take control.

What do you want the officer to do?

Officer: "Sir, Sir come step off the train and tell me what is going on" (because I have no command presence and I am afraid of what people might think tomorrow.)

Suspect: "Fuck you, I am king of this...blah blah"
(Giving the suspect time to take a fighting stance and making a bad situation worse. It would have been all bad if it would have gone hands on in that small train car with a crowd of people)

Like I said, hind sight it 20/20, but that is not how reasonable force works in our country... The officer used necessary and reasonable force at that moment to overcome the resistance of again a clearly agitated and unstable man.

I want to know why that was glass and not plexiglas or some other material... That is really what makes this whole incident look bad.

Sometimes you have to check someone against a wall to get their attention and overcome their resistance and again that would not be "excessive"!
 

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Posted by 68stanger (Member # 7842) on :
 
^ didn't want to quote all that but what about just bringing his ass straight to the ground he won't be able to do much on his ass. if he was combative getting him against a wall would allow him to continue to stand on his feet bring his ass to the ground, and if the guy was combative and the situation was getting out of hand why subdue him all by yourself?
 

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Posted by That_Guy (Member # 7133) on :
 

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Originally posted by 68stanger:
^ didn't want to quote all that but what about just bringing his ass straight to the ground he won't be able to do much on his ass. if he was combative getting him against a wall would allow him to continue to stand on his feet bring his ass to the ground, and if the guy was combative and the situation was getting out of hand why subdue him all by yourself?

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Originally posted by That_Guy:

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Originally posted by 68stanger:
^ didn't want to quote all that but what about just bringing his ass straight to the ground he won't be able to do much on his ass. if he was combative getting him against a wall would allow him to continue to stand on his feet bring his ass to the ground, and if the guy was combative and the situation was getting out of hand why subdue him all by yourself?

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If he took him straight to the ground in the train or right outside of the train, he would have had to deal with the people on the train possibly interfering or antagonizing the suspect making him more resistive... He separated the suspect from the people he was harassing to hopefully calm the situation and take control.

Furthermore, if the officer took the guy straight to the ground and the suspect hit his face off the ground, would we not still be having this same conversation?

There are always, "what if's" and he could have done this instead of that, but what is comes down to is this officer did what he felt was reasonable and necessary to overcome resistance and keep himself and the public safe.

Again, I go back to hindsight it always 20/20 and it doesn't matter what force he used in that situation, there was a video camera and it will always be second guessed.

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Originally posted by That_Guy:

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by That_Guy:

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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.

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I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.

The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.

Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.

The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.

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You must didnt watch the same vid I watched lol. The officer did put some "umph" on the relocatin to the wall. The dude was not struggling or fighting and appeared to be subdued for the most part IMO. But like I said, I have no sympathy for the offender and feel sorry for the cop. But even I could get a cool settlement for him with that video.

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Well here is the video I watched...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbk5EsuTQxg

You can see the suspect clearly dragging his feet and resisting the officer's escort and then continue to resist all the way to the ground.

You can see how agitated and unstable the man is on the train and the confrontation that is just starting to occur with another BART rider... The officer has to go in there and take control.

What do you want the officer to do?

Officer: "Sir, Sir come step off the train and tell me what is going on" (because I have no command presence and I am afraid of what people might think tomorrow.)

Suspect: "Fuck you, I am king of this...blah blah"
(Giving the suspect time to take a fighting stance and making a bad situation worse. It would have been all bad if it would have gone hands on in that small train car with a crowd of people)

Like I said, hind sight it 20/20, but that is not how reasonable force works in our country... The officer used necessary and reasonable force at that moment to overcome the resistance of again a clearly agitated and unstable man.

I want to know why that was glass and not plexiglas or some other material... That is really what makes this whole incident look bad.

Sometimes you have to check someone against a wall to get their attention and overcome their resistance and again that would not be "excessive"!

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Originally posted by snakebit95:
Lol! I was just watching channel 2 news. They said this guy was arrested earlier in the day for & I quote "kicking a 84 year old man in the pants while riding the bus in Daly City". What a skitzo. People like that can snap at a moments notice. That officer was doing is job. Was he a little ruff, maybe. Oh well, that guy could have brought harm to somebody worse than that. Split second decisions are ruff.

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I just saw the oooooh soooo classsy john burass will be his lawyer
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
wait wait wait...........so if i or any other person yells in public america land of the free, cops are completely in the right to body slam or check me up against a wall!!!!!??????

im completely at awwww reading this b.s.!!!!
you guys cant see this man did nothing wrong(at this moment)!
this is the exact reason cops get away with shit like this all the time!
what if this was one of you, what if!!!

i hate the fact that a cop is basicaly a street judge!
at any time if some punk cop is feeling frisky he can take any situation to any level, people like yall will always be there to back them up!
unless it was you! then what?

and no alex i didnt just get a ticket!

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the first PIG to speak up i guess

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I guess your the second retard to speak up on this post.

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and i guess your just another punk with something to compensate for! i love cops like you, bad ass on the street but take it in the rear in court!!!!
making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!
if youre anything like how you talk(doubtfull) you wont be blue for long
 

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Posted by 68stanger (Member # 7842) on :
 

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
wait wait wait...........so if i or any other person yells in public america land of the free, cops are completely in the right to body slam or check me up against a wall!!!!!??????

im completely at awwww reading this b.s.!!!!
you guys cant see this man did nothing wrong(at this moment)!
this is the exact reason cops get away with shit like this all the time!
what if this was one of you, what if!!!

i hate the fact that a cop is basicaly a street judge!
at any time if some punk cop is feeling frisky he can take any situation to any level, people like yall will always be there to back them up!
unless it was you! then what?

and no alex i didnt just get a ticket!

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the first PIG to speak up i guess

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I guess your the second retard to speak up on this post.

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and i guess your just another punk with something to compensate for! i love cops like you, bad ass on the street but take it in the rear in court!!!!
making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!
if youre anything like how you talk(doubtfull) you wont be blue for long

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LOL, that was good, bad ass in the street take it in the rear in court ha ha ha
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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+1 He had it comming if you ask me. Cops can be dicks, but so are some of the fools on here defending this guys actions. What he did was wrong.. We do have free speach. But you don't cause a disturbance on a Bart train, act a fool and expect to get away with it.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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oh yea i can tell they were all in soooooo much trouble!!!! dont yell in public, you might get thrown through a window!!!!

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Originally posted by uh0h50:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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oh yea i can tell they were all in soooooo much trouble!!!! dont yell in public, you might get thrown through a window!!!!

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Do me a favor, go get drunk and ride BART. Kick an old man. Make threats to random people who are just trying to get home after a long day. Have an open container of alcohol and try slamming your body against the closed doors of a BART train. Resist arrest. Then return to cafords and cry about your innocence. Good luck.

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ooooorrrrrrr get a beer, dont drink it, yell obscenities on a bart train directed towards passengers (people directly) and exit the train when im told only to be snatched by some punk (with something to prove because he got his little pecker touched when he was a child)and thrown through a window and make millions!!!!
what are you trying to prove?........lame!
all of your points dont add up, the man did nothing wrong(at the time)!
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
^ were you a victim? or do you just hate cops?
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 
He deserved every bit of that. When someone is making threats to a train full of people and is running on anger/adrenaline. You give that person ONE chance to cooperate.
 

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Posted by 5OHS5OH (Member # 4665) on :
 
Originally posted by fr5.0

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and i guess your just another punk with something to compensate for! i love cops like you, bad ass on the street but take it in the rear in court!!!!
making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!
if youre anything like how you talk(doubtfull) you wont be blue for long

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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oh yea i can tell they were all in soooooo much trouble!!!! dont yell in public, you might get thrown through a window!!!!

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Do me a favor, go get drunk and ride BART. Kick an old man. Make threats to random people who are just trying to get home after a long day. Have an open container of alcohol and try slamming your body against the closed doors of a BART train. Resist arrest. Then return to cafords and cry about your innocence. Good luck.

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ooooorrrrrrr get a beer, dont drink it, yell obscenities on a bart train directed towards passengers (people directly) and exit the train when im told only to be snatched by some punk (with something to prove because he got his little pecker touched when he was a child)and thrown through a window and make millions!!!!
what are you trying to prove?........lame!
all of your points dont add up, the man did nothing wrong(at the time)!

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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
Originally posted by fr5.0

[QUOTE] and i guess your just another punk with something to compensate for! i love cops like you, bad ass on the street but take it in the rear in court!!!!
making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!
if youre anything like how you talk(doubtfull) you wont be blue for long

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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+1 He had it comming if you ask me. Cops can be dicks, but so are some of the fools on here defending this guys actions. What he did was wrong.. We do have free speach. But you don't cause a disturbance on a Bart train, act a fool and expect to get away with it.

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note to self i cant yell in public it might be considerd a disterbance and my freedom of speach is revoked if someone near by dosent like how or what i said!!!!!!! whos the tools now look around...........free my ass!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by fr5.0

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and i guess your just another punk with something to compensate for! i love cops like you, bad ass on the street but take it in the rear in court!!!!
making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!
if youre anything like how you talk(doubtfull) you wont be blue for long

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O.k. tough guy. Since it's quite obvious that you've been to court a few times, (making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!) I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Each time you were in court, taking that day off work, missing more important things in your life, the cop that there was there......wait for it...... was making time and a half. And, if you were able to quickly resolve your case and totally embarass said cop, to say nothing of the sexual experience you somehow pull out of the situation, that cop got paid for four hours at time and a half.

Grow up junior. My guess is you or someone you love is going to need a cop someday. And you know what? They are going to come, no matter what. Even if they knew you were a huge festering pile of shit,...they will come. Do you want to know why? Because they are better than you.

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soooooo my 8hr p.t.o. probably makes you look a little dumb right now then, cops arent the only ones with p.t.o. mine just looks a little better!
id rather have my 8 verses your 4 dum dum.

and then on your second comment.........open your eyes turd, the cops are going to come when i call not because of personal rankings but because i pay them!

how does it feel to know that your money is no better than a mobbsters????
you take honest hard working americans money every day, for what a cracked windshield, a front license plate, a burnt up signal light!!!!!!
you and all the rest of the american law enforcment are shit, your all punk ass theivs!
you think its american to take civilians for granted, your job isnt to protect and serve!!!! all you do is take from the less fortunate!!!!
how can you live with your selfs talking to people that pay your salery like there 3 strike criminals?


funny story, my boys mom(4'9") got pulled over the other day, (you couldnt here this woman speak in a crowded restaurant)but this punk thought it was nessicery to yell at the top of his lungs, pull her out of the car, hand cuff her the let her go.
he said she matched the description of someone they were looking for lol!
he lost his job she got 20 racks, i love law enforcment there like the lotto!!!!!!
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
It's part of what you sign up for when you choose to get out of line in a public place and be an idiot.

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when did you sign up to have your rights taken from you, i didnt!
out of line to you might not be to someone else.........see what i mean...........probably not!!!

and about your "real peice of work" comment, i could say the same for your thoughts!

 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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[QUOTE] and i guess your just another punk with something to compensate for! i love cops like you, bad ass on the street but take it in the rear in court!!!!
making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!
if youre anything like how you talk(doubtfull) you wont be blue for long

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O.k. tough guy. Since it's quite obvious that you've been to court a few times, (making punks like you look stupid in court is better than sex!) I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Each time you were in court, taking that day off work, missing more important things in your life, the cop that there was there......wait for it...... was making time and a half. And, if you were able to quickly resolve your case and totally embarass said cop, to say nothing of the sexual experience you somehow pull out of the situation, that cop got paid for four hours at time and a half.

Grow up junior. My guess is you or someone you love is going to need a cop someday. And you know what? They are going to come, no matter what. Even if they knew you were a huge festering pile of shit,...they will come. Do you want to know why? Because they are better than you. [/Q

Lol...owned! Is this Fr5.0 some law school drop out or something? Trying to protect the pathetic and get them money to bankrupt the system even more than it is. That cop handled it just fine and your just upset you couldn't come close to doing his job.

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ya owned!!!! everyone........i am a law school drop out!!!! how long did it take you to muster up that lame ass comment!
bankrupt the system????? look around dummy, were in a recesion prices are going up and no one has money, wait are you saying you condone the people that are supposed to serve and protect preforming more stops and ticketing 3 times the amount they did 2 years ago?????
but if you call them they dont show up due to a budget loss, it seems to me that law enforcement is out in full force i see more cops on the streets now then i have ever seen........but they cant make it to my house when i call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and you look down on people that fight there tickets?????
wish i had the news broadcast to post but i remember a broadcast something like 30% of citations in sac county were false accused...........that was a study by law enforcement.......30%!!!! thats a big number, so keep up the good job!
 

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whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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+1 He had it comming if you ask me. Cops can be dicks, but so are some of the fools on here defending this guys actions. What he did was wrong.. We do have free speach. But you don't cause a disturbance on a Bart train, act a fool and expect to get away with it.

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note to self i cant yell in public it might be considerd a disterbance and my freedom of speach is revoked if someone near by dosent like how or what i said!!!!!!! whos the tools now look around...........free my ass!!!!!!!!!!

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Bro I understand your argument about free speech, but somethings are not protected under free speech ie: threats, like this guy was making. You can actually get in trouble if you tell someone you want to kill them or stab them etc. If your screaming " I love obama eat cock you publicans" then yes a cop should not face plant you into a window or the ground. But the moment you start to threaten other people you should be dealt with accordingly. Again threats are not protected under free speech.

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whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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+1 He had it comming if you ask me. Cops can be dicks, but so are some of the fools on here defending this guys actions. What he did was wrong.. We do have free speach. But you don't cause a disturbance on a Bart train, act a fool and expect to get away with it.

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note to self i cant yell in public it might be considerd a disterbance and my freedom of speach is revoked if someone near by dosent like how or what i said!!!!!!! whos the tools now look around...........free my ass!!!!!!!!!!

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Bro I understand your argument about free speech, but somethings are not protected under free speech ie: threats, like this guy was making. You can actually get in trouble if you tell someone you want to kill them or stab them etc. If your screaming " I love obama eat cock you publicans" then yes a cop should not face plant you into a window or the ground. But the moment you start to threaten other people you should be dealt with accordingly. Again threats are not protected under free speech.

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idk about what you saw but he didnt strike anyone never made a dangerous pose..............maybe he just wanted to race!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082619/

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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oh yea i can tell they were all in soooooo much trouble!!!! dont yell in public, you might get thrown through a window!!!!

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Do me a favor, go get drunk and ride BART. Kick an old man. Make threats to random people who are just trying to get home after a long day. Have an open container of alcohol and try slamming your body against the closed doors of a BART train. Resist arrest. Then return to cafords and cry about your innocence. Good luck.

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ooooorrrrrrr get a beer, dont drink it, yell obscenities on a bart train directed towards passengers (people directly) and exit the train when im told only to be snatched by some punk (with something to prove because he got his little pecker touched when he was a child)and thrown through a window and make millions!!!!
what are you trying to prove?........lame!
all of your points dont add up, the man did nothing wrong(at the time)!

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Dude! That is exactly what didn't happen on that video Ive heard people yelling on BART all the time and no one gets arrested he was obvious causing a bigger problem then just yelling if someone complained and they went through the trouble of holding up the train to get him out. I'm not a huge fan of law enforcement BUT some are cool and this guy was just doing his job

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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+1 He had it comming if you ask me. Cops can be dicks, but so are some of the fools on here defending this guys actions. What he did was wrong.. We do have free speach. But you don't cause a disturbance on a Bart train, act a fool and expect to get away with it.

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note to self i cant yell in public it might be considerd a disterbance and my freedom of speach is revoked if someone near by dosent like how or what i said!!!!!!! whos the tools now look around...........free my ass!!!!!!!!!!

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Bro I understand your argument about free speech, but somethings are not protected under free speech ie: threats, like this guy was making. You can actually get in trouble if you tell someone you want to kill them or stab them etc. If your screaming " I love obama eat cock you publicans" then yes a cop should not face plant you into a window or the ground. But the moment you start to threaten other people you should be dealt with accordingly. Again threats are not protected under free speech.

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idk about what you saw but he didnt strike anyone never made a dangerous pose..............maybe he just wanted to race!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082619/

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He was threatening people and challenging them to fight, yelling racial slurs and just being a piece of shit. He got what he deserved, end of story.

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
whoever stands up for the outstanding citizen in the video (the drunk fuck) is a complete tool. that video was great. the officer handled the situation and took control of what otherwise could have been ugly for the innocent people trying to get home from work.

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+1 He had it comming if you ask me. Cops can be dicks, but so are some of the fools on here defending this guys actions. What he did was wrong.. We do have free speach. But you don't cause a disturbance on a Bart train, act a fool and expect to get away with it.

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note to self i cant yell in public it might be considerd a disterbance and my freedom of speach is revoked if someone near by dosent like how or what i said!!!!!!! whos the tools now look around...........free my ass!!!!!!!!!!

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Bro I understand your argument about free speech, but somethings are not protected under free speech ie: threats, like this guy was making. You can actually get in trouble if you tell someone you want to kill them or stab them etc. If your screaming " I love obama eat cock you publicans" then yes a cop should not face plant you into a window or the ground. But the moment you start to threaten other people you should be dealt with accordingly. Again threats are not protected under free speech.

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idk about what you saw but he didnt strike anyone never made a dangerous pose..............maybe he just wanted to race!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082619/

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He was threatening people and challenging them to fight, yelling racial slurs and just being a piece of shit. He got what he deserved, end of story.

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racial slurs? yelling does not call for physically violent restraint! the man was exiting the train look again!

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He was exiting the train cause the officer told him to get off and the train wasn't moving until he did. Have you read any of the news? Everyone THERE says the cop did the right thing.

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so you admit that the man was exiting the train on his own free will because someone told him to !!!!!!
sounds to me that the violence from the officer was not needed then?
now were getting some where!
THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED UNNECESSARY FORCE!
 

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Posted by snakebit95 (Member # 8871) on :
 
Why are people siding with this lunatic? Watch the video again. Look at the little old lady that is freakin horrified. this incident was not only the 20 second video that we see on the news. They received 12 911 call asking for help. you get that many calls the police are not going ask questions. , that officer was responding to those calls and did a great job. if there was safety glass installed nobody would even be talking about it. The officer sustained more injury than the suspect. I hope he is doing well. If that was my grandmother or kids on that train, I would have stepped up put him to the ground until the cops came. Listen to all of the applause once the officer grabs that douche bag.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Why are people siding with this lunatic? Watch the video again. Look at the little old lady that is freakin horrified. this incident was not only the 20 second video that we see on the news. They received 12 911 call asking for help. you get that many calls the police are not going ask questions. , that officer was responding to those calls and did a great job. if there was safety glass installed nobody would even be talking about it. The officer sustained more injury than the suspect. I hope he is doing well. If that was my grandmother or kids on that train, I would have stepped up put him to the ground until the cops came. Listen to all of the applause once the officer grabs that douche bag.

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He was exiting the train cause the officer told him to get off and the train wasn't moving until he did. Have you read any of the news? Everyone THERE says the cop did the right thing.

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so you admit that the man was exiting the train on his own free will because someone told him to !!!!!!
sounds to me that the violence from the officer was not needed then?
now were getting some where!
THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED UNNECESSARY FORCE!

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
He was exiting the train cause the officer told him to get off and the train wasn't moving until he did. Have you read any of the news? Everyone THERE says the cop did the right thing.

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so you admit that the man was exiting the train on his own free will because someone told him to !!!!!!
sounds to me that the violence from the officer was not needed then?
now were getting some where!
THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED UNNECESSARY FORCE!

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No you just arent getting it.... He was not getting off on his "own free will"... He was ORDERED by a LAW ENFORMENT OFFICER to get off the train. Then didnt feel like really doing what he was told to do. He got what he deserved. Youre arguing with like 15 people who all think youre wrong, and god knows your looking like a tool continually trying to validate your opinions to the 100s of people reading this.

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Bottom line is: free speech doesn't protect threatening others.

Also you shouldn't be given the option to move by your own free will if you threaten others. What if the cop says "please step out sir" and the guy starts running or the guy knows he is now caught and wants to swing at at least one person or the cop. When someone is proving to be a threat then they are dealt with properly.

The way you are making it out is as if the guy was just riding bart and was pulled off for no reason. That is not the case. This guy was threaten others. The big problem is the THREATS. I bet if he wasn't threatening anyone and was just drinking a beer on bart, the cop would have said, put the beer down step out side, put your arms behind your back etc.

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soooooo, what if the cop ran up and some one was being a cpt. save a hoe and was yelling at the real perp, but the cop not knowing grabs him and throws him in to a window?????
see how the situation can turn around?
this situation didnt have to escalate, the man was getting off the train. when are you going to get that through your head! we can "what if" all day but the real deal is on tape so theres no "what ifs" there!
the man was not right for what he did and jail is the punishment for his crime!
when did you vote that cops have the right to kick the shit out of people when they see fit......
 

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Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :
 
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

Also we as citizens give cops the authority to make decisions on the fly. We cannot always have a judge present to tell a cop what to do. A cop only has a second or two to make a decision on how to deal with a situation. The job is stressful and they see a lot of crime which can make you see things totally differently than an average person. The cop doesn't know if the guy has a knife or gun etc

Rant ON: this is why cops hate tinted windows because they can't see what they are approaching. I hate the fact that it's illegal for me to have tinted windows but at the same time respect where they are coming from too...Rant OFF

[ November 24, 2009, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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oh and bottled95GT??
i do get it, it seems to me others are not getting it you being one of them! im not condoning i merely commented on the cops insane out burst, the situation was defused...the man was exiting the train!!!!!
if your so blind that you dont see this along with 15 other people i hate to see what the future holds for our freedom!!!

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

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ya that's not the answer to the question!
just answer the question!
I'm not fighting the threats, I'm fighting the unnecessary violence! this week its a drunk guy if the cop gets away with it next week its your grandfather think about it!
the-situation-was-defused-the-man-was-obeying-what-the-officer-was-telling-him-to-do........damn dude i didn't realize i had to talk to you like you re a child!!!!

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

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ya thats not the answer to the question!
just answer the question!
im not fighting the threats, im fighting the unnecessary violence! this week its a drunk guy if the cop gets away with it next week its your grandfather think about it!
the-situation-was-defused-the-man-was-obaying-what-the-officer-was-telling-him-to-do........damn dude i didnt realize i had to talk to you like youre a child!!!!

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
oh and bottled95GT??
i do get it, it seems to me others are not getting it you being one of them! im not condoning i merely commented on the cops insane out burst, the situation was defused...the man was exiting the train!!!!!
if your so blind that you dont see this along with 15 other people i hate to see what the future holds for our freedom!!!

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Exiting the train doesn't mean your not going to jail for threatening the lives of others. I don't know why you don't understand that. The guy resisted arrest after getting off the train that's why the cop got more physical, he already sealed his fate, he wasn't going home after getting off the train. You don't get out of going to jail when you stop doing something that is illegal.

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

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ya thats not the answer to the question!
just answer the question!
im not fighting the threats, im fighting the unnecessary violence! this week its a drunk guy if the cop gets away with it next week its your grandfather think about it!
the-situation-was-defused-the-man-was-obaying-what-the-officer-was-telling-him-to-do........damn dude i didnt realize i had to talk to you like youre a child!!!!

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

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ya thats not the answer to the question!
just answer the question!
im not fighting the threats, im fighting the unnecessary violence! this week its a drunk guy if the cop gets away with it next week its your grandfather think about it!
the-situation-was-defused-the-man-was-obaying-what-the-officer-was-telling-him-to-do........damn dude i didnt realize i had to talk to you like youre a child!!!!

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the situation would only be defused when the drunk was in jail. The violence was justified when the drunk started fighting the officer, when the officer tried putting the handcuffs on him.

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Its not the yelling. That's where you are mixing things up. It's the threats being made.

Also by you adding another person into the mix, in your hypothetical situation, your changing the dynamics completely so that situation is for another time and another discussion.

Right now we are talking about what really happened. That is a drunk idiot is threatening people on the train.

The equation is simple, you don't want to get handled by cops then don't threaten innocent people and be drunk at the same time.

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ya thats not the answer to the question!
just answer the question!
im not fighting the threats, im fighting the unnecessary violence! this week its a drunk guy if the cop gets away with it next week its your grandfather think about it!
the-situation-was-defused-the-man-was-obaying-what-the-officer-was-telling-him-to-do........damn dude i didnt realize i had to talk to you like youre a child!!!!

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the situation would only be defused when the drunk was in jail. The violence was justified when the drunk started fighting the officer, when the officer tried putting the handcuffs on him.

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are you blind? there was no resistance!!!! violence is justified by violence, what planet are you from!
you dont kill a man with a white flag!!!!!!

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It's very difficult for any of us to determine whether the drunk guy was obeying the cop. So your incorrectassumption he was obeying the cop is WRONG! Next people are plowed into the pavement all the time, if the pavement was glass you would hear about this all the time.

If you threaten someone and are showing that you are a violent threat then you should get handled. PERIOD!

Also your are not reading what I am typing. If you are threatening someone YOU-DONT-GET-THE-OPPORTUNITY-TO-OBEY-A-COP! Your not entitled that if you are being violent. Simple as a-b-c

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you dont kill a man with a white flag!!!!!!

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way to point that out thanks your so smart!!!!

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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the video i watched all i saw was resistence, not sure what you saw.

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
It's very difficult for any of us to determine whether the drunk guy was obeying the cop. So your incorrectassumption he was obeying the cop is WRONG! Next people are plowed into the pavement all the time, if the pavement was glass you would hear about this all the time.

If you threaten someone and are showing that you are a violent threat then you should get handled. PERIOD!

Also your are not reading what I am typing. If you are threatening someone YOU-DONT-GET-THE-OPPORTUNITY-TO-OBEY-A-COP! Your not entitled that if you are being violent. Simple as a-b-c

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and this is the very reason the cop crimes get more and more violent, untill someones grandmother is getting tazed on the side of the road!!!!!
when is it going to be to violent, when cops just start killing people and no one can step in anymore because people just kept condoning the cop violence!!!!
come on man be realistic!!!!

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Just don't be violent and act a fool and it's nothing to worry about. Why do you keep talking about grandparents? lol I don't think anyone's grandparents are going to be violent and hella ignorant like this guy was acting.

Also each situation is unique. We can only assess this situation. I think the guy got what was coming for him. The cop didn't want to break the window and I think that was an accident.

[ November 24, 2009, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
 

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Posted by CALiFORNIAGT (Member # 7845) on :
 
you guys neeed to save your finger tips bitching about bunk ass bullshit im my 02
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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the video i watched all i saw was resistence, not sure what you saw.

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theres only one vid homes. maybe you need to watch it again, i did!

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Originally posted by 70mach351:
I didn't see him punching, kicking, tazing, or shooting him. Looks like he put him in a wrist lock and gave him commands. If he would have complied he wouldn't have broke the window. every one wants to be a victim these days.

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i love the caf cops, they always have the best perspective on these situations, they always see or dont see key things!!!lol
who needs rights when the cops are always right!!!!
 

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Posted by snakebit95 (Member # 8871) on :
 
Man this story is just getting crazier. The dude was charged for indecent exposure. It turns he pulled out his cock and was showing it to people. Dude should got his ass kicked bye somebody. That dude just got released from the syco ward 2 days prior. Wow just wow.

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
Jesus *bubba sparxx,* trying to have a conversation with you is worse than pulling teeth. Get your head out of your ass already.
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 

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He was exiting the train cause the officer told him to get off and the train wasn't moving until he did. Have you read any of the news? Everyone THERE says the cop did the right thing.

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so you admit that the man was exiting the train on his own free will because someone told him to !!!!!!
sounds to me that the violence from the officer was not needed then?
now were getting some where!
THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED UNNECESSARY FORCE!

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No you just arent getting it.... He was not getting off on his "own free will"... He was ORDERED by a LAW ENFORMENT OFFICER to get off the train. Then didnt feel like really doing what he was told to do. He got what he deserved. Youre arguing with like 15 people who all think youre wrong, and god knows your looking like a tool continually trying to validate your opinions to the 100s of people reading this.

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the tool here is someone that would just up and change his mind just because 15 people thought his views were wrong!
your definition of tool is way off!
the tool is you ie: a person that cares what others think of him, take your own advice!!!!!
walking towards the door would be considerd "own free will" also no one said he didnt have to be told i simply stated that the force was not nessicery!
heres a thought a cop walks up and asks for your liscense you pissed of yell at your gf (cuz your mad and she is nagging) all the while your reaching in to your pocket for your wallet at wich time the officer grabs you by the coller and proceds to drag you from your car...........now would that be nessicery, dont tell me its not the same circumstance because thats not the answer to the question!!!!

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Jesus *bubba sparxx,* trying to have a conversation with you is worse than pulling teeth. Get your head out of your ass already.

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ill wait for you to come over and help, ill be here all night!
 

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Posted by Ham'n Eggs (Member # 8967) on :
 
No worries...John burris is on the case
 

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Posted by graylx (Member # 3919) on :
 

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
It's very difficult for any of us to determine whether the drunk guy was obeying the cop. So your incorrectassumption he was obeying the cop is WRONG! Next people are plowed into the pavement all the time, if the pavement was glass you would hear about this all the time.

If you threaten someone and are showing that you are a violent threat then you should get handled. PERIOD!

Also your are not reading what I am typing. If you are threatening someone YOU-DONT-GET-THE-OPPORTUNITY-TO-OBEY-A-COP! Your not entitled that if you are being violent. Simple as a-b-c

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and this is the very reason the cop crimes get more and more violent, untill someones grandmother is getting tazed on the side of the road!!!!!
when is it going to be to violent, when cops just start killing people and no one can step in anymore because people just kept condoning the cop violence!!!!
come on man be realistic!!!!

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The officer used that force which is necessary to overcome the resistance of the offender to effect a lawful arrest. I don't see why the police should be defensive about anything here. Unless you've wrestled with anyone trying to fight you in the line of duty, you will never know. Your ignorance is apalling, but somewhat typical of a common shitbird.

The freedom of speech is not absolute; there are restrictions. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater, nor can you make threats likely to provoke a public disturbance (415 PC).

Gotta love how people throw out that "to protect and serve" idea when there are allegations of brutality. In the opinion of many, the officer was protecting and serving the passengers. The first and foremost responsibility of an officer is to enforce the law and vigorously prosecute those responsible for crime.
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :
 
This is now a totally pathetic pointless conversation. This is about a stupid as that jerkoff on the train. Ooohh the poor helpless criminal, let's just help the poor guy off the train and roll out the red carpet for him. Boo hoo hoo (tears). Just send your sympathy cards to him Fr5.0 and hope he gets better, then go visit him in the Psych ward and say hi from all of us at Ca. Fords. Go finish your fuckin' degree from Lincoln Law school and go help the poor defenseless good natured fellow get back on his feet. Make sure you sue BART because there the real problem here!
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
It's very difficult for any of us to determine whether the drunk guy was obeying the cop. So your incorrectassumption he was obeying the cop is WRONG! Next people are plowed into the pavement all the time, if the pavement was glass you would hear about this all the time.

If you threaten someone and are showing that you are a violent threat then you should get handled. PERIOD!

Also your are not reading what I am typing. If you are threatening someone YOU-DONT-GET-THE-OPPORTUNITY-TO-OBEY-A-COP! Your not entitled that if you are being violent. Simple as a-b-c

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and this is the very reason the cop crimes get more and more violent, untill someones grandmother is getting tazed on the side of the road!!!!!
when is it going to be to violent, when cops just start killing people and no one can step in anymore because people just kept condoning the cop violence!!!!
come on man be realistic!!!!

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The officer used that force which is necessary to overcome the resistance of the offender to effect a lawful arrest. I don't see why the police should be defensive about anything here. Unless you've wrestled with anyone trying to fight you in the line of duty, you will never know. Your ignorance is apalling, but somewhat typical of a common shitbird.

The freedom of speech is not absolute; there are restrictions. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater, nor can you make threats likely to provoke a public disturbance (415 PC).

Gotta love how people throw out that "to protect and serve" idea when there are allegations of brutality. In the opinion of many, the officer was protecting and serving the passengers. The first and foremost responsibility of an officer is to enforce the law and vigorously prosecute those responsible for crime.

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see this guy sees my point, cops need to beat the shit out of every one no questions asked!!!!!
wtf do they care were not one of them, basicaly if your not one of them your just a common shitbird!
i love how these punk ass cops run there mouth to the people that pay them!
in a world were we could pick and choose.......i think id take my chances without em! they dont do shit any way!!!
how many times have any of you rolled by a parking lot and theres like two or three cars two cops in each one just chillin????
is that what you mean by protect and serve???
"oh we just hang out all day shoot the shit and when we get board with that we just f$%k with people you know write a bunch of bs tikets.
we gotta protect you people from all those dangerous windshield cracks, what kinda protector would i be if i let someone drive around without a front licence plat?"
serve and protect what????? did that cop protect the air from that guy walking out in to it?????
if you tell someone to do something and they do it, explain why you would need to use force to help them do what there doing?????
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
This is now a totally pathetic pointless conversation. This is about a stupid as that jerkoff on the train. Ooohh the poor helpless criminal, let's just help the poor guy off the train and roll out the red carpet for him. Boo hoo hoo (tears). Just send your sympathy cards to him Fr5.0 and hope he gets better, then go visit him in the Psych ward and say hi from all of us at Ca. Fords. Go finish your fuckin' degree from Lincoln Law school and go help the poor defenseless good natured fellow get back on his feet. Make sure you sue BART because there the real problem here!

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why do people hate cops, because thay got a stick up there a$$!!!
how about you do your job..........the right way!!!!
i love when people start getting mad that means they know there wrong!
ill tell him you said hi.........when i see him in cabo, cuz he won a c note for excessive force
if it makes you mad that that cop is going to get in trouble for handling the situation improperly, you just might be a common shitbird!
 

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Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :
 
I don't understand what the hatred or negativity towards the cops are fr5.0. In fact, each time I've been pulled over for a broken windshield, tail light out, etc etc, the cop has told me to just fix it and wanted to make sure I knew about it. Come to think of it, all of my experiences with cops so far were the result of me doing something wrong or illegal, and they were all polite to me. Maybe you should join copwatch so you can hang out with the rest of the cop haters.
 

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Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :
 
I like how everyone who sees nothing wrong is a cafords cop. If you have a broken windshield it is an infraction, fix it or pay the consequences.
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :
 
Thank god there's only one person (so far) who feels like Fr5.0 and the majority will rule, just like in court which you love so much. Bless that officer for doing a good job and getting rid of that piece of trash so we can go on with our lives. If any more Fr5.0's come along and try to stop them from this the cops won't do anything for us at all. It will be a free for all for the criminals to go and do whatever they want because the cops will be to scared they'll lose there jobs. Now go enroll yourself back in law school and try to be a little smarter this time and PAY ATTENTION.
 

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Posted by 98 GT (Member # 7944) on :
 
the guy was a actin like a fukin idiot an got what he deserved.... i hate cops but there was lil kids on that bart....

i still say fuck the cops though.
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZJvihI8nfo
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 9cobrasnake9:
I love the tazer the old lady video...She was warned so many times he should have tazed her sooner. Its so funny how many people scream police brutality. The truth of the matter is yes, its probably out there. But these are terrible examples of it. An officers job is extremely difficult and people get way to charged up to support a criminal.

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Ahh once again, an officer just doing his job. It goes to show you it don't matter what color or how old you are, you act a fool you get handled. That grandma had some serious attitude. I loved when she tried to walk past the office "I'm going back to my truck". Ahhhh nope. Priceless

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these were both perfect comments to prove how much of a peice of shit you both are!

im glad you both showed your lack of respect for anyone but your selfs, you are both what is wrong with america!
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
^ you can be a real jackass.... You must get off on pushing peoples buttons, with the comments your making..... It's all good cause I know you really love cops.
 

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Posted by 9cobrasnake9 (Member # 575) on :
 
Very true..I do not respect people who think they are above the law because they are 73. And I have even less respect for people who shout obscenities where there are little kids such as the BART idiot. So if that is what defines a piece of shit...Then yes, I am indeed a piece of shit
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Very true..I do not respect people who think they are above the law because they are 73. And I have even less respect for people who shout obscenities where there are little kids such as the BART idiot. So if that is what defines a piece of shit...Then yes, I am indeed a piece of shit

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above the law..............she was 73 and lteraly 3/4 the size of that cop...........i think that cop thinks hes above the law!!!!!!!

soooooooooooooo you dont have respect for people who shout obscenities around little kids.............that basically the entire world!!!! i guess i dont have to repeat myself because you just clarified my last comments!

theres police brutality in both of these vid at its finest, most will denie it because they dont want to be cought also (cops) or plain out dont want cops to be scared to serve and protect!!!!!
but its gunna suck when cops start breaking legs with billy clubs because you spit on the side walk!!!!!!

[ November 26, 2009, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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^ you can be a real jackass.... You must get off on pushing peoples buttons, with the comments your making..... It's all good cause I know you really love cops.

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look whos talkin!
if theres one thing ive learned in my life, if your not on the right side of the law(a cop) your a peice of shit and will be talked to and delt with like one!
 

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Posted by 9cobrasnake9 (Member # 575) on :
 
If they start breaking legs for spitting on the side walk then I would suggest not spitting on the side walk. You want to know whats wrong with America? It's people who support criminals and do not hold them responsible for there actions. Both those people got what they deserve. If that is police brutality, then you are right, it is most certainly happening often and completely out of control. Happy Turkey Day!
 

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Posted by CALiFORNIAGT (Member # 7845) on :
 
man u guys are still bitchin about this?
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 9cobrasnake9:
If they start breaking legs for spitting on the side walk then I would suggest not spitting on the side walk. You want to know whats wrong with America? It's people who support criminals and do not hold them responsible for there actions. Both those people got what they deserve. If that is police brutality, then you are right, it is most certainly happening often and completely out of control. Happy Turkey Day!

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FR you must have been so oppressed! You poor thing..

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lol fr5.0, explain to me what the cop should have done with that old lady? let her back in her car? she was resisting to the max, warned a million times she would be tased and still acted a fool.

You act like cops have a magic tool that they aren't using when they encounter resisting people. Only thing you can use is force...

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i cant imagine that cuffing her would have been out of his job description!
if he couldnt cuff a 73 year old woman what makes you think he can do his job when hes gotta arrest a 19 year old?????
 

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Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :
 

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
lol fr5.0, explain to me what the cop should have done with that old lady? let her back in her car? she was resisting to the max, warned a million times she would be tased and still acted a fool.

You act like cops have a magic tool that they aren't using when they encounter resisting people. Only thing you can use is force...

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i cant imagine that cuffing her would have been out of his job description!
if he couldnt cuff a 73 year old woman what makes you think he can do his job when hes gotta arrest a 19 year old?????

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
lol fr5.0, explain to me what the cop should have done with that old lady? let her back in her car? she was resisting to the max, warned a million times she would be tased and still acted a fool.

You act like cops have a magic tool that they aren't using when they encounter resisting people. Only thing you can use is force...

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i cant imagine that cuffing her would have been out of his job description!
if he couldnt cuff a 73 year old woman what makes you think he can do his job when hes gotta arrest a 19 year old?????

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I guess you have a point about cuffing instead of the taser, but at the same time who's to say he wouldn't hurt her worse wrestling with her to get in cuffs?

Either way she was in the wrong.

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
lol fr5.0, explain to me what the cop should have done with that old lady? let her back in her car? she was resisting to the max, warned a million times she would be tased and still acted a fool.

You act like cops have a magic tool that they aren't using when they encounter resisting people. Only thing you can use is force...

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i cant imagine that cuffing her would have been out of his job description!
if he couldnt cuff a 73 year old woman what makes you think he can do his job when hes gotta arrest a 19 year old?????

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I guess you have a point about cuffing instead of the taser, but at the same time who's to say he wouldn't hurt her worse wrestling with her to get in cuffs?

Either way she was in the wrong.

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ummmmmm a taser locks you up and you dont need to commit to face planting cuz you cant move!!!!!!! hence more damage!!!!
but still even about this vid, i never condoned what this old woman did!
it was a simple arest, i hope that cop got f#$ked over cuz he def. didnt do his job right!!!!

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
lol fr5.0, explain to me what the cop should have done with that old lady? let her back in her car? she was resisting to the max, warned a million times she would be tased and still acted a fool.

You act like cops have a magic tool that they aren't using when they encounter resisting people. Only thing you can use is force...

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i cant imagine that cuffing her would have been out of his job description!
if he couldnt cuff a 73 year old woman what makes you think he can do his job when hes gotta arrest a 19 year old?????

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I guess you have a point about cuffing instead of the taser, but at the same time who's to say he wouldn't hurt her worse wrestling with her to get in cuffs?

Either way she was in the wrong.

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ummmmmm a taser locks you up and you dont need to commit to face planting cuz you cant move!!!!!!! hence more damage!!!!
but still even about this vid, i never condoned what this old woman did!
it was a simple arest, i hope that cop got f#$ked over cuz he def. didnt do his job right!!!!

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That's why America is so great. You can believe what you like too and I can too. I think that lady deserved what she got. Everything could have been avoided. If people just listened to cops and stfu, things wouldn't have to escalate.

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
If he tried to cuff her and subdue her against the back of her truck or on her hood you would complain about why he had to push her into the hood or back of the truck so hard.

Apparently there is not win win situation with you. Why do you want cops to put pillows on the ground before they subdue someone.

I say wow, because you expect cops to magically control a person without force. You have to use force against force...

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first vid (bart) why would he need to use so much force when arresting some one that was obaying him?????
second vid (old lady)how much force would it take you to arrest a 73 year old lady that was 3/4 the size of you?????
cops get paid to get phisical, and are trained to know how phisical to get!!!
if an untrained person can tell that a trained cop is is over the top there is a problem!
trained means that they should be able to do there job without using unnessicary force!!!!
you pay for them to be trained, this should bother you!
 

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Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :
 
Simply I disagree.

I would like you to prove to me how you can tell from the bart video that the guy was compliant with what the officer wanted?

Even though shes 73 years old some force would have been used to constrain her, and this force probably would have been to much force for you to accept as needed.

I just finished watching cops <--- and this one bitch was hella feisty and wouldn't listen to the cops, they slammed her fat ass to the ground and hog tied the bitch! "Good" I say. Then another person they pulled over was trying to eat his stash but he got out was calm did what they said and they just cuffed him....what does that tell you? Force will be met with force.

[ November 29, 2009, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 90FoX:
Simply I disagree.

I would like you to prove to me how you can tell from the bart video that the guy was compliant with what the officer wanted?

Even though shes 73 years old some force would have been used to constrain her, and this force probably would have been to much force for you to accept as needed.

I just finished watching cops <--- and this one bitch was hella feisty and wouldn't listen to the cops, they slammed her fat ass to the ground and hog tied the bitch! "Good" I say. Then another person they pulled over was trying to eat his stash but he got out was calm did what they said and they just cuffed him....what does that tell you? Force will be met with force.

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