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You all know no matter who he is fighting, I always go for my fellow countrymen Miguel Cotto... So who are you going for and what round.... and give some reason why....

Miguel Cotto is going to knock him out in the 8th round. If it doesnt happen and they go to a decision then we are getting robbed!!! The reason I say that is because pacman is arum's money maker. He has him fighting mayweather early next year and a loss may ruin his plans.

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I stand high and proud of my fellow contryman, MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO! He is too fast for Cotto...cotto might be bigger and stronger, but Manny's speed will enable him to dodge Cotto's power punches and allow him to get in and start firign on him. Pac-Man in 7 or less!

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You do realize Zab Judah is faster and punches harder than manny right? And is a southpaw. Also you do realize he fought Shane whom is faster and more technically sound than Manny. Oh and he won against both those fighters... I can understand going for your countryman. But just like my Filipino homies they dont wanna listen to reason...lol

[ November 13, 2009, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by siri95 (Member # 2840) on :
 
PacMan will knock him out! I say 3rd round!
He is way too fast for Cotto.. Cotto wont know what to do when he experiences the Filipino power.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by siri95:
PacMan will knock him out! I say 3rd round!
He is way too fast for Cotto.. Cotto wont know what to do when he experiences the Filipino power.

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Originally posted by siri95:
PacMan will knock him out! I say 3rd round!
He is way too fast for Cotto.. Cotto wont know what to do when he experiences the Filipino power.

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See my post above yours.

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Originally posted by siri95:
PacMan will knock him out! I say 3rd round!
He is way too fast for Cotto.. Cotto wont know what to do when he experiences the Filipino power.

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See my post above yours.

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Pac wins 8th round because of cuts. Cotto's D sucks and Pac with slowly chop him down from different angles.

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I havent heard that prediction before

I dont see this happening either. If it goes to the cards Manny will win because his output will no boubt be higher than Cottos. Cotto is insanely durable. I do not see Manny doing any more damage than Clottey or Zab did. Hell he fought Marg with loaded gloves for 11 rounds. Manny may have power at lower ranks, but not at welter erm this is a fake welter but yea. But lets see I do give manny a chance to win, but now a good one.

Only thing that creates doubt is the 145 match weight. That is damn near cheating for Manny. But Cotto is young and hopefully his body can handle it better than Oscars did.

[ November 13, 2009, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by SydeWaySix (Member # 3596) on :
 
I can't wait til the fight is over and Manny is victorious...because I want to laugh in ALL the pac-man haters' faces! Honestly, you guys can ramble on about whos more skilled, who has this, who has that...but at the end, you all know pacman is gonna fuck this dude up. C'mon, save yourself some time and just admit it now
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
I am more a fan of boxing than a fan of either of these fighters. I am just speaking on pure boxing knowledge of what should happen. I like Manny but they are fighting @ 145 that isnt even true welter. They kept that from sight for a purpose. Either way anyone else in that division will kill Pac. So this is just a solidify his legacy move nothing to do with boxing. He wont fight Mayweather, he wont fight Shane, he wont fight Paul Williams, He wont fight Zab, Marg, Joshua.... So this is almost just a prop up fight. But their styles will create the most fireworks because they are both so flawed. But the media has everyone overlooking Cottos abilities. Dude is a damn effective and efficient fighter. His career is over if he loses.

[ November 13, 2009, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by BATMOBILE (Member # 6239) on :
 

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I can't wait til the fight is over and Manny is victorious...because I want to laugh in ALL the pac-man haters' faces! Honestly, you guys can ramble on about whos more skilled, who has this, who has that...but at the end, you all know pacman is gonna fuck this dude up. C'mon, save yourself some time and just admit it now

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I can't wait til the fight is over and Manny is victorious...because I want to laugh in ALL the pac-man haters' faces! Honestly, you guys can ramble on about whos more skilled, who has this, who has that...but at the end, you all know pacman is gonna fuck this dude up. C'mon, save yourself some time and just admit it now

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Cut it out, just cuz he beat 50 year old de la hoya and Ricky "wide open" Hatton doesnt prove to me that he is ready for Miguel. Miguel is gonna send this clown back to where he came from!!!

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I think not. Manny will send this sucka back where HE CAME FROM!
 

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Posted by SydeWaySix (Member # 3596) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
I am more a fan of boxing than a fan of either of these fighters. I am just speaking on pure boxing knowledge of what should happen. I like Manny but they are fighting @ 145 that isnt even true welter. They kept that from sight for a purpose. Either way anyone else in that division will kill Pac. So this is just a solidify his legacy move nothing to do with boxing. He wont fight Mayweather, he wont fight Shane, he wont fight Paul Williams, He wont fight Zab, Marg, Joshua.... So this is almost just a prop up fight. But their styles will create the most fireworks because they are both so flawed. But the media has everyone overlooking Cottos abilities. Dude is a damn effective and efficient fighter. His career is over if he loses.

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Yo N8, just consider Cotto's career over already
 

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Posted by BATMOBILE (Member # 6239) on :
 

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I can't wait til the fight is over and Manny is victorious...because I want to laugh in ALL the pac-man haters' faces! Honestly, you guys can ramble on about whos more skilled, who has this, who has that...but at the end, you all know pacman is gonna fuck this dude up. C'mon, save yourself some time and just admit it now

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Cut it out, just cuz he beat 50 year old de la hoya and Ricky "wide open" Hatton doesnt prove to me that he is ready for Miguel. Miguel is gonna send this clown back to where he came from!!!

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I think not. Manny will send this sucka back where HE CAME FROM!

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I can't wait til the fight is over and Manny is victorious...because I want to laugh in ALL the pac-man haters' faces! Honestly, you guys can ramble on about whos more skilled, who has this, who has that...but at the end, you all know pacman is gonna fuck this dude up. C'mon, save yourself some time and just admit it now

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Cut it out, just cuz he beat 50 year old de la hoya and Ricky "wide open" Hatton doesnt prove to me that he is ready for Miguel. Miguel is gonna send this clown back to where he came from!!!

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I think not. Manny will send this sucka back where HE CAME FROM!

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We are gonna send Manny, Buboy and Pacman the dog back to that land slide they call home!!!

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Originally posted by BATMOBILE:

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I can't wait til the fight is over and Manny is victorious...because I want to laugh in ALL the pac-man haters' faces! Honestly, you guys can ramble on about whos more skilled, who has this, who has that...but at the end, you all know pacman is gonna fuck this dude up. C'mon, save yourself some time and just admit it now

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Cut it out, just cuz he beat 50 year old de la hoya and Ricky "wide open" Hatton doesnt prove to me that he is ready for Miguel. Miguel is gonna send this clown back to where he came from!!!

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I think not. Manny will send this sucka back where HE CAME FROM!

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We are gonna send Manny, Buboy and Pacman the dog back to that land slide they call home!!!

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Wow, really? We were talkin shit about the boxers...all fun and games. But now you're gonna come on here and get racist talkin shit about a fuckin natural disaster that killed thousands in the Philippines?!?!?! You got balls homie...believe me, I'm not the only Filipino on the site bro. Actually, I think the majority of people on here who AREN'T internet thugs are Filipino hahahaha....Keep flappin your lips.

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Really my man, im not no punk but you musta caught that dumb comment I made before I edited it. Sometimes I get carried away with boxing but i will be the first to appologize. That is why I edited my comment.
 

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Posted by 90FOX5.0 (Member # 9338) on :
 
manny all the way was watching some high light last night on both fighters and manny is quick and stays that way. cotto gets to tired time to time and drops his hands to low i got $150 on manny.
 

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Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
My boy went on some website and it said that cotto is a 7-1 underdog to win by tko inside of 10 rounds ir win a decision. I think i will putt 100.00 on cotto tonight lol! I think he can win
 

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Posted by BUKSING (Member # 6594) on :
 
another big filipino party to watch our homie pacman win. u guys dont even know how hyped we get watchin him fight...and when he wins...its like euphoria....lol
 

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Posted by 3O2 DROP (Member # 1323) on :
 
if pek pek pacquao win's.. party at jollybee's
 

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Posted by BUKSING (Member # 6594) on :
 

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if pek pek pacquao win's.. party at jollybee's

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3O2 DROP:
[qb] if pek pek pacquao win's.. party at jollybee's

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BUKSING:
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[qb] if pek pek pacquao win's.. party at jollybee's

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[qb] if pek pek pacquao win's.. party at jollybee's

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got a new filipino nick name for you..."BADING"


is that gay or transexual or something!!! sounds like torta of highspeed

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does anyone know of a good website to place a bet at?

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yeah, you can place a bet at jollybees or at the food court in serramonte
 

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Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on :
 

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
I stand high and proud of my fellow contryman, MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO! He is too fast for Cotto...cotto might be bigger and stronger, but Manny's speed will enable him to dodge Cotto's power punches and allow him to get in and start firign on him. Pac-Man in 7 or less!

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You do realize Zab Judah is faster and punches harder than manny right? And is a southpaw. Also you do realize he fought Shane whom is faster and more technically sound than Manny. Oh and he won against both those fighters... I can understand going for your countryman. But just like my Filipino homies they dont wanna listen to reason...lol

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this is so very true my girlfriend is filipino we have a fight all the time about pacman and mayweather and she just admitted that she is only going for him cause he is filipino race has nothing to do with what mayweather is going to do to manny
 

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Posted by cees87drop (Member # 4066) on :
 

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does anyone know of a good website to place a bet at?

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does anyone know of a good website to place a bet at?

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I just opened one last night cause of this fight on betus.com. It's pretty easy to open an account... I heard vages had Cotto +250, but the site has him at +220 last night and now +200.

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does anyone know of a good website to place a bet at?

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I just opened one last night cause of this fight on betus.com. It's pretty easy to open an account... I heard vages had Cotto +250, but the site has him at +220 last night and now +200.

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I just opened an account at the same place lol! I'm going with Cotto but i'm not sure if i'm gonna put money on him winning by KO or decision. Decision pays 8-1 and KO pays 3-1. maybe i will put 50 bucks on both lol! he's a 2-1 underdof right now. What did you outcome did you bet on?

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does anyone know of a good website to place a bet at?

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I just opened one last night cause of this fight on betus.com. It's pretty easy to open an account... I heard vages had Cotto +250, but the site has him at +220 last night and now +200.

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I just opened an account at the same place lol! I'm going with Cotto but i'm not sure if i'm gonna put money on him winning by KO or decision. Decision pays 8-1 and KO pays 3-1. maybe i will put 50 bucks on both lol! he's a 2-1 underdof right now. What did you outcome did you bet on?

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So far i bet $200 on Cotto for a straight win at +225. IDK why but the boxing props and fight lines have different odds. So make sure to check both out.
Did you take the Free play money? They told me if I took it, I would have play $2,450 worth of bets before I could cash any of money out.
Thinking about putting down $100 on the decision or the 10-12. Not sure yet.
 

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Posted by SAV SVT (Member # 7848) on :
 
Just put my bet in $200 on Cottoo he is +300 on sportsbook.com. Go Cotto!!
 

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Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
Cotto is a bakla, Pacquiao all day long.
 

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Posted by 1SLOWLX (Member # 558) on :
 
I bet on cotto also just for the odds. I can care less about boxing but I do love upsets
 

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Posted by cees87drop (Member # 4066) on :
 

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Just put my bet in $200 on Cottoo he is +300 on sportsbook.com. Go Cotto!!

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But +300 is for win by KO or TKO. If he wins by dicision you lose.
 

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Posted by SAV SVT (Member # 7848) on :
 
I got cotto at +300 for the fight. Decsion, TKO or KO. The line went down to +200 now. But i'm locked in at +300 cotto
 

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Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
Repin the pinoys in cancun.. Go pacman. We about the only ones at the resorts
 

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Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on :
 
http://tomtacks.blogspot.com/2009/11/manny-pacquiao-vs-miguel-cotto-live.html
 

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Posted by STREETFIGHTER50 (Member # 2973) on :
 
Yeeh that's what I'm talkin bout! My boy got 7 belts! Man Cotto shouldve left his kids home! Sad seein em in the audience
 

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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.
 

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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Na bro no B.S. I've been saying all along when cotto took that beating from margarito i knew he would never be the same again. And thats good that you got back in the ring its the best sport on earth but i've probably fought more fights than you've watched and you learn through experience not watching.

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lmao...yea I cannot say boxing was my first sport. But I can tell you this, I know the sport very well. And if you predicted this one-sided bout you are a modern day Ms. Cleo...lol. But yea not dilute the situation, the end result is Cotto retire, Manny return to the lower weight classes. Nothing happening for him at welter. I attribute this to the same effect as when RJJ won the Heavyweight title. Nothing was happening for him but to vacate it. Let me ask you this. Who do you feasibly see him beating at welter now that is worth while seeing
 

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Posted by rmadison007 (Member # 8670) on :
 
Not surprising...I really wish Cotto would have won, but as stated before, styles create fights and Cotto's Style works well for Manny's Style...Someone who moves forward with poor defense...I hope they can put together the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight, roach wants it...Regardless of the outcome of this fight...Pacquiao will be picked a part by Mayweather...and it will be a boring fight that will only be exciting if Pacquiao gets knocked out...he will not touch Mayweather...I guarantee Roach will begin by verbally attacking the way Mayweather illegally uses his left elbow in defense...Great fight though...I think Cotto's corner should have stop the fight in the 9th, 10th, and 11th...
 

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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :
 

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Na bro no B.S. I've been saying all along when cotto took that beating from margarito i knew he would never be the same again. And thats good that you got back in the ring its the best sport on earth but i've probably fought more fights than you've watched and you learn through experience not watching.

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lmao...yea I cannot say boxing was my first sport. But I can tell you this, I know the sport very well. And if you predicted this one-sided bout you are a modern day Ms. Cleo...lol. But yea not dilute the situation, the end result is Cotto retire, Manny return to the lower weight classes. Nothing happening for him at welter. I attribute this to the same effect as when RJJ won the Heavyweight title. Nothing was happening for him but to vacate it. Let me ask you this. Who do you feasibly see him beating at welter now that is worth while seeing

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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wtf are you takin about? First off, Floyd can make weight 147 no problem! manny fought a great fight tonight but I'm willing to bet Cotto had to weigh 145lbs TONIGHT! If pacman is so great then why does he fight starving fighters? if he wants to be the best then he should fight the best welterweights out there instead of dehydrating people to tip the odds even more in his favor. if you say floyd is ducking fights then manny is doing the same thing. Why didi"nt Pacman fight Mosely? or paul Williams? if he wants to be a welterweight he needs to step it up and fight the best like everyone else.

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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Regardless of how u feel about Mayweather's recent opponents he has fought decent fighters over his UNDEFEATED career...The only reason his opponents don't look impressive is because of how superior he is technically...There isn't a fighter in his weight class right now that can honestly beat him...Moseley has a good shot, but couldn't handle Cotto and his style would not do well against Mayweather who has superior Counter Punching that has given Moseley problems in the past(ie Winky Wright)...It is funny how people say Mayweather hand picks his opponents but never says the same about Pacquiao...He also ducked Moseley and choose Cotto because felts he would be easier to beat...Hatton...De La Hoya...both after losing to Mayweather...If Mayweather does that he doesn't have the heart of a Champion...

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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wtf are you takin about? First off, Floyd can make weight 147 no problem! manny fought a great fight tonight but I'm willing to bet Cotto had to weigh 145lbs TONIGHT! If pacman is so great then why does he fight starving fighters? if he wants to be the best then he should fight the best welterweights out there instead of dehydrating people to tip the odds even more in his favor. if you say floyd is ducking fights then manny is doing the same thing. Why didi"nt Pacman fight Mosely? or paul Williams? if he wants to be a welterweight he needs to step it up and fight the best like everyone else.

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I can ask you the same question how come mayweather hasn't fought anyone bigger than him since diego corrales? He's ducking mosley now and has been ducking paul williams and margarito. And you have it all messed up ofcourse mayweather can make 148 but he has trouble making anything lower than that now.

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Na bro no B.S. I've been saying all along when cotto took that beating from margarito i knew he would never be the same again. And thats good that you got back in the ring its the best sport on earth but i've probably fought more fights than you've watched and you learn through experience not watching.

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Na bro no B.S. I've been saying all along when cotto took that beating from margarito i knew he would never be the same again. And thats good that you got back in the ring its the best sport on earth but i've probably fought more fights than you've watched and you learn through experience not watching.

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i say we setup a fight between n8 and blackfifty

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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Regardless of how u feel about Mayweather's recent opponents he has fought decent fighters over his UNDEFEATED career...The only reason his opponents don't look impressive is because of how superior he is technically...There isn't a fighter in his weight class right now that can honestly beat him...Moseley has a good shot, but couldn't handle Cotto and his style would not do well against Mayweather who has superior Counter Punching that has given Moseley problems in the past(ie Winky Wright)...It is funny how people say Mayweather hand picks his opponents but never says the same about Pacquiao...He also ducked Moseley and choose Cotto because felts he would be easier to beat...Hatton...De La Hoya...both after losing to Mayweather...If Mayweather does that he doesn't have the heart of a Champion...

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Well tell me one good fighter that mayweather has beaten that were in their prime and are his size and are in his class. I do believe mayweather will pick apart mosley but he wont do it because he wont absolutley destroy him like he has all the other fighers. Manny isn't my favorite fighter and never has been he ducks people too but i guess thats the name of the game now. Not knocking mayweather but he is far from the greatest of all time.

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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wtf are you takin about? First off, Floyd can make weight 147 no problem! manny fought a great fight tonight but I'm willing to bet Cotto had to weigh 145lbs TONIGHT! If pacman is so great then why does he fight starving fighters? if he wants to be the best then he should fight the best welterweights out there instead of dehydrating people to tip the odds even more in his favor. if you say floyd is ducking fights then manny is doing the same thing. Why didi"nt Pacman fight Mosely? or paul Williams? if he wants to be a welterweight he needs to step it up and fight the best like everyone else.

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I can ask you the same question how come mayweather hasn't fought anyone bigger than him since diego corrales? He's ducking mosley now and has been ducking paul williams and margarito. And you have it all messed up ofcourse mayweather can make 148 but he has trouble making anything lower than that now.

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Floyd fought Oscar at 154lbs. which was oscars best weight. Why would Floyd want to fight at a lower weight? Most fighters go up in weight classes. they don't go down. that does not make any sense. Thats like saying the heavyweight champion should lose 50lbs and fight a middleweight...

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Your honostley going to throw De la hoya's name out there psht. That guy was nowhere near his prime. He hasn't been a good fighter since his singing days ha. Oh and look at what manny did to pacquiao when at 148. Just saying
 

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i just wanted to say that cotto didnt even look like he was fighting, seriously compared to his other fights....rigged for the big pay day pac vs pbf aint no puzzle..this world revolves around $$$$
 

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Couldn't help but say I told u so for those that said cotto is too big and strong blah blah he's not in the same class as pacman. I've been boxing all my life and it's exciting seeing someone like paquiao bringing back the sport of boxing. P.S. I'm not phillipino I just respect thr hell out of pacman

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Man you honestly cannot sit here and say you knew the fight would be as one sided. I fly the

Cotto has fought fast and powerful South paws. Fought 2 cats we know Manny wont fight. Not taking anything from Manny. As he is a true great and love him for it. But just like I wanna see Floyd fight real welters. I wanna see him do the same instead of match weights and catch weights. BS. Fight. I will reserve judgement in this weight class until he knocks off the king of the class and Cotto was 3 and maybe fourth on that list. And I have boxed for years and recently got my old ass back in the ring. And have watched boxing since Aaron Pryor and those mofos ruled this weight class.

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Don't think Aaron pryor ever fought any higer than 140lbs in his best days. I still think Floyd will whoop him. Floyd won't go for any catchweight nonsense.

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Yea and why would manny fight a welterweight he started off as a bantemweight and came up to fight morales, barrera, and marquez and beat all of them. Are you guys saying he should go up eight weight classes. He's paid his dues and he's obviously the smaller person but still faces bigger opponents I can't say the same for mayweather he doesn't have the heart of a true champion he dodges and ducks people in his own weight class which is obviously 146-148 because he cant make weight anymore. Manny will fight anyone his size and since hes pound for pound the best they should come down to his weight class which is a whopping 3 pounds away.

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Regardless of how u feel about Mayweather's recent opponents he has fought decent fighters over his UNDEFEATED career...The only reason his opponents don't look impressive is because of how superior he is technically...There isn't a fighter in his weight class right now that can honestly beat him...Moseley has a good shot, but couldn't handle Cotto and his style would not do well against Mayweather who has superior Counter Punching that has given Moseley problems in the past(ie Winky Wright)...It is funny how people say Mayweather hand picks his opponents but never says the same about Pacquiao...He also ducked Moseley and choose Cotto because felts he would be easier to beat...Hatton...De La Hoya...both after losing to Mayweather...If Mayweather does that he doesn't have the heart of a Champion...

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Well tell me one good fighter that mayweather has beaten that were in their prime and are his size and are in his class. I do believe mayweather will pick apart mosley but he wont do it because he wont absolutley destroy him like he has all the other fighers. Manny isn't my favorite fighter and never has been he ducks people too but i guess thats the name of the game now. Not knocking mayweather but he is far from the greatest of all time.

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At welterweight Mayweather has fought no one that would be considered a great welterweight, but he has fought two proven light welterweights and one proven middleweight all at their weights no catchweights...Now beside Moseley, Margarito, and Williams, no other welterweights warranted a fight during that time...After this fight Cotto wouldn't have done to well versus Mayweather...I do agree he is not the greatest of all time but can cement he greatest if he beats Pacquiao and retires undefeated...

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Yeah I said it Mayweather-Pacquiao will be a boring fight. Yes Mayweather will do his job in selling himself and telling us how he'll KO Manny blah blah blah. But once the fight starts he will become a defensive, elusive fighter for 12 rounds.

Think about it. On Mayweather/Marquez Mayweather outweighed Marquez by about 15-20 pounds. Marquez could not hurt Floyd, but yet Floyd had no interest in giving the fans a show or finishing the fight. He was happy "out-pointing" Marquez.

The same would happen with Pacquiao. Mayweather will dance around the ring, throw a jab or two and a lead right hand every now and then and that's it. Pacquiao will try to make it a fight but Floyd will not engage.

I'm over Mayweather and believing his hype. Remember when he said he would "ice" DLH? I thought he was going to bring it to the Golden Boy. And what happened? It was a snooze-fest.

Manny is the bigger star by far, the bigger draw, and the better fighter/warrior by far. He doesn't need Mayweather, at this point Mayweather needs him.

*And . . . would Mayweather even bother making weight? Or would he rather pay Manny as he did Marquez and not bother making weight?

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The only two fighters on Manny's radar right now are Marquez and Mayweather...Moseley will get ignored along with Williams...Also Williams will probably not fight at 147 again...I believe he will fighting at middleweight his next couple of fights...The key is Roach wants Mayweather and he will convince Arum to make the fight and they should make a deal with a 50-50 split with the amount of money the fight should generate and estimates suggest the fight will break the all time payper views buys...Mayweather can make 145 but will likely ask to fight at 147...Naturally both Manny and Mayweather are 144-148lbs so any weight shouldn't be hard to make...I can see the fight actually happening and there being enough money to give both fighters enough motivation to share...I can not even think of how Manny expects to attack Mayweather...I have not seen anyone be effective doing anything against Mayweather...

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The only two fighters on Manny's radar right now are Marquez and Mayweather...Moseley will get ignored along with Williams...Also Williams will probably not fight at 147 again...I believe he will fighting at middleweight his next couple of fights...The key is Roach wants Mayweather and he will convince Arum to make the fight and they should make a deal with a 50-50 split with the amount of money the fight should generate and estimates suggest the fight will break the all time payper views buys...Mayweather can make 145 but will likely ask to fight at 147...Naturally both Manny and Mayweather are 144-148lbs so any weight shouldn't be hard to make...I can see the fight actually happening and there being enough money to give both fighters enough motivation to share...I can not even think of how Manny expects to attack Mayweather...I have not seen anyone be effective doing anything against Mayweather...

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Yeah I said it Mayweather-Pacquiao will be a boring fight. Yes Mayweather will do his job in selling himself and telling us how he'll KO Manny blah blah blah. But once the fight starts he will become a defensive, elusive fighter for 12 rounds.

Think about it. On Mayweather/Marquez Mayweather outweighed Marquez by about 15-20 pounds. Marquez could not hurt Floyd, but yet Floyd had no interest in giving the fans a show or finishing the fight. He was happy "out-pointing" Marquez.

The same would happen with Pacquiao. Mayweather will dance around the ring, throw a jab or two and a lead right hand every now and then and that's it. Pacquiao will try to make it a fight but Floyd will not engage.

I'm over Mayweather and believing his hype. Remember when he said he would "ice" DLH? I thought he was going to bring it to the Golden Boy. And what happened? It was a snooze-fest.

Manny is the bigger star by far, the bigger draw, and the better fighter/warrior by far. He doesn't need Mayweather, at this point Mayweather needs him.

*And . . . would Mayweather even bother making weight? Or would he rather pay Manny as he did Marquez and not bother making weight?

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Yeah I said it Mayweather-Pacquiao will be a boring fight. Yes Mayweather will do his job in selling himself and telling us how he'll KO Manny blah blah blah. But once the fight starts he will become a defensive, elusive fighter for 12 rounds.

Think about it. On Mayweather/Marquez Mayweather outweighed Marquez by about 15-20 pounds. Marquez could not hurt Floyd, but yet Floyd had no interest in giving the fans a show or finishing the fight. He was happy "out-pointing" Marquez.

The same would happen with Pacquiao. Mayweather will dance around the ring, throw a jab or two and a lead right hand every now and then and that's it. Pacquiao will try to make it a fight but Floyd will not engage.

I'm over Mayweather and believing his hype. Remember when he said he would "ice" DLH? I thought he was going to bring it to the Golden Boy. And what happened? It was a snooze-fest.

Manny is the bigger star by far, the bigger draw, and the better fighter/warrior by far. He doesn't need Mayweather, at this point Mayweather needs him.

*And . . . would Mayweather even bother making weight? Or would he rather pay Manny as he did Marquez and not bother making weight?

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yea man, I think you got boxing all wrong. And if you do not think Mayweather is the best Welter out there you must not follow boxing. If it had not been for his retirement, Manny would not be considered the P4P best. And Manny himself is an extremely flawed boxer, and I will go on record saying he cannot beat any of the top 3 welters of which Cotto was not one. Ask yourself why would you fight the 4th best fighter in a weight class and claim to be the best? Why? Because cotto was the easiest mark of the belt holders. Berto, Mosely would beat Manny easily. Mayweather will beat Manny easily. Williams will arguably beat all mentioned. So call it what it is, he is a champion and achieved something memorable. But this was not a sign of the times in the welter class. Manny's reign stops there. Like RJJ's campaign at Heavyweight stopped at Ruiz.

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Yeah I said it Mayweather-Pacquiao will be a boring fight. Yes Mayweather will do his job in selling himself and telling us how he'll KO Manny blah blah blah. But once the fight starts he will become a defensive, elusive fighter for 12 rounds.

Think about it. On Mayweather/Marquez Mayweather outweighed Marquez by about 15-20 pounds. Marquez could not hurt Floyd, but yet Floyd had no interest in giving the fans a show or finishing the fight. He was happy "out-pointing" Marquez.

The same would happen with Pacquiao. Mayweather will dance around the ring, throw a jab or two and a lead right hand every now and then and that's it. Pacquiao will try to make it a fight but Floyd will not engage.

I'm over Mayweather and believing his hype. Remember when he said he would "ice" DLH? I thought he was going to bring it to the Golden Boy. And what happened? It was a snooze-fest.

Manny is the bigger star by far, the bigger draw, and the better fighter/warrior by far. He doesn't need Mayweather, at this point Mayweather needs him.

*And . . . would Mayweather even bother making weight? Or would he rather pay Manny as he did Marquez and not bother making weight?

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yea man, I think you got boxing all wrong. And if you do not think Mayweather is the best Welter out there you must not follow boxing. If it had not been for his retirement, Manny would not be considered the P4P best. And Manny himself is an extremely flawed boxer, and I will go on record saying he cannot beat any of the top 3 welters of which Cotto was not one. Ask yourself why would you fight the 4th best fighter in a weight class and claim to be the best? Why? Because cotto was the easiest mark of the belt holders. Berto, Mosely would beat Manny easily. Mayweather will beat Manny easily. Williams will arguably beat all mentioned. So call it what it is, he is a champion and achieved something memorable. But this was not a sign of the times in the welter class. Manny's reign stops there. Like RJJ's campaign at Heavyweight stopped at Ruiz.

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I have money on Manny if we get to see him fight Berto or Mosley since you are very confident in them. Berto is a wild swinging brawler that will get worked. Mosely is too old to hang with what Manny is bringing to the ring right now.

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Why did you leave out Mayweather...lol. Or Williams. Williams has said recently he will cut down to welter if anyone wants to fight him.
 

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Posted by 98Snake (Member # 183) on :
 
Let me start off by saying I'm a huge Pac fan, but I'm an even bigger critic. Over the past few years, I was always finding reasons why he wouldn't win, be it with his style or the outside influences in his life. He always proved me wrong, and I didn't mind one bit.

After the fights, the boxing gurus would find some reason to downplay the win, and give reasons why his next fight would be his demise. Barrera, Marquez, and Morales would have destroyed him in their hayday. Marquez was dehydrated the last fight. Morales had the bird flu. De La Hoya is only 25% of his old self. Ricky Hatton was never deserving to step in the ring in the first place, and his 40+ wins didn't matter. LOL etc etc ...

Cotto is a class act. What a fighter. Humble, and lets his boxing do the talking. People say he was garbage because he was backing up the last 6 rounds. At least he had enough to do so, I believe he was running on pure pride. He was gracious in his defeat, not that my opinion matters, but he won me over.

Now for the excuses ... Cotto wasn't a true welterweight. Cotto hasn't recovered from Margarito. Cotto wasn't the same as he was versus the other 34 opponents. Cotto took money to lose. The mafia threatened him LOL. At what point do we just say, that Pac was the better fighter on each of those nights?

Bottom line is, Roach = success. Roach has him on another level. Roach won't let Pac take a fight he doesn't think he can win. If he fights Floyd, it will be at a weight Roach feels comfortable with. At 145, he's still fast, but any more, and he'll lose that edge he would need over bigger and more powerful fighters. He's not as light on his feet, and his transitions aren't as quick as he is at 140.

But for now, I'm going to enjoy this one until May-June for his next fight, whoever it is. (Since all my sports teams are pathetic and give me nothing to be excited about LOL )
 

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Let me start off by saying I'm a huge Pac fan, but I'm an even bigger critic. Over the past few years, I was always finding reasons why he wouldn't win, be it with his style or the outside influences in his life. He always proved me wrong, and I didn't mind one bit.

After the fights, the boxing gurus would find some reason to downplay the win, and give reasons why his next fight would be his demise. Barrera, Marquez, and Morales would have destroyed him in their hayday. Marquez was dehydrated the last fight. Morales had the bird flu. De La Hoya is only 25% of his old self. Ricky Hatton was never deserving to step in the ring in the first place, and his 40+ wins didn't matter. LOL etc etc ...

Cotto is a class act. What a fighter. Humble, and lets his boxing do the talking. People say he was garbage because he was backing up the last 6 rounds. At least he had enough to do so, I believe he was running on pure pride. He was gracious in his defeat, not that my opinion matters, but he won me over.

Now for the excuses ... Cotto wasn't a true welterweight. Cotto hasn't recovered from Margarito. Cotto wasn't the same as he was versus the other 34 opponents. Cotto took money to lose. The mafia threatened him LOL. At what point do we just say, that Pac was the better fighter on each of those nights?

Bottom line is, Roach = success. Roach has him on another level. Roach won't let Pac take a fight he doesn't think he can win. If he fights Floyd, it will be at a weight Roach feels comfortable with. At 145, he's still fast, but any more, and he'll lose that edge he would need over bigger and more powerful fighters. He's not as light on his feet, and his transitions aren't as quick as he is at 140.

But for now, I'm going to enjoy this one until May-June for his next fight, whoever it is. (Since all my sports teams are pathetic and give me nothing to be excited about LOL )

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Yeah I said it Mayweather-Pacquiao will be a boring fight. Yes Mayweather will do his job in selling himself and telling us how he'll KO Manny blah blah blah. But once the fight starts he will become a defensive, elusive fighter for 12 rounds.

Think about it. On Mayweather/Marquez Mayweather outweighed Marquez by about 15-20 pounds. Marquez could not hurt Floyd, but yet Floyd had no interest in giving the fans a show or finishing the fight. He was happy "out-pointing" Marquez.

The same would happen with Pacquiao. Mayweather will dance around the ring, throw a jab or two and a lead right hand every now and then and that's it. Pacquiao will try to make it a fight but Floyd will not engage.

I'm over Mayweather and believing his hype. Remember when he said he would "ice" DLH? I thought he was going to bring it to the Golden Boy. And what happened? It was a snooze-fest.

Manny is the bigger star by far, the bigger draw, and the better fighter/warrior by far. He doesn't need Mayweather, at this point Mayweather needs him.

*And . . . would Mayweather even bother making weight? Or would he rather pay Manny as he did Marquez and not bother making weight?

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yea man, I think you got boxing all wrong. And if you do not think Mayweather is the best Welter out there you must not follow boxing. If it had not been for his retirement, Manny would not be considered the P4P best. And Manny himself is an extremely flawed boxer, and I will go on record saying he cannot beat any of the top 3 welters of which Cotto was not one. Ask yourself why would you fight the 4th best fighter in a weight class and claim to be the best? Why? Because cotto was the easiest mark of the belt holders. Berto, Mosely would beat Manny easily. Mayweather will beat Manny easily. Williams will arguably beat all mentioned. So call it what it is, he is a champion and achieved something memorable. But this was not a sign of the times in the welter class. Manny's reign stops there. Like RJJ's campaign at Heavyweight stopped at Ruiz.

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I have money on Manny if we get to see him fight Berto or Mosley since you are very confident in them. Berto is a wild swinging brawler that will get worked. Mosely is too old to hang with what Manny is bringing to the ring right now.

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Why did you leave out Mayweather...lol. Or Williams. Williams has said recently he will cut down to welter if anyone wants to fight him.

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Yeah I said it Mayweather-Pacquiao will be a boring fight. Yes Mayweather will do his job in selling himself and telling us how he'll KO Manny blah blah blah. But once the fight starts he will become a defensive, elusive fighter for 12 rounds.

Think about it. On Mayweather/Marquez Mayweather outweighed Marquez by about 15-20 pounds. Marquez could not hurt Floyd, but yet Floyd had no interest in giving the fans a show or finishing the fight. He was happy "out-pointing" Marquez.

The same would happen with Pacquiao. Mayweather will dance around the ring, throw a jab or two and a lead right hand every now and then and that's it. Pacquiao will try to make it a fight but Floyd will not engage.

I'm over Mayweather and believing his hype. Remember when he said he would "ice" DLH? I thought he was going to bring it to the Golden Boy. And what happened? It was a snooze-fest.

Manny is the bigger star by far, the bigger draw, and the better fighter/warrior by far. He doesn't need Mayweather, at this point Mayweather needs him.

*And . . . would Mayweather even bother making weight? Or would he rather pay Manny as he did Marquez and not bother making weight?

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yea man, I think you got boxing all wrong. And if you do not think Mayweather is the best Welter out there you must not follow boxing. If it had not been for his retirement, Manny would not be considered the P4P best. And Manny himself is an extremely flawed boxer, and I will go on record saying he cannot beat any of the top 3 welters of which Cotto was not one. Ask yourself why would you fight the 4th best fighter in a weight class and claim to be the best? Why? Because cotto was the easiest mark of the belt holders. Berto, Mosely would beat Manny easily. Mayweather will beat Manny easily. Williams will arguably beat all mentioned. So call it what it is, he is a champion and achieved something memorable. But this was not a sign of the times in the welter class. Manny's reign stops there. Like RJJ's campaign at Heavyweight stopped at Ruiz.

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I have money on Manny if we get to see him fight Berto or Mosley since you are very confident in them. Berto is a wild swinging brawler that will get worked. Mosely is too old to hang with what Manny is bringing to the ring right now.

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Why did you leave out Mayweather...lol. Or Williams. Williams has said recently he will cut down to welter if anyone wants to fight him.

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LOL...
I'm not putting money against those two. I really like P Will, but I think PAC would give him hell.
Mayweather vs PAC would be boring and I don't think PAC would be very effective against PBF's great defense. I had mentioned previously that I believed PAC would take PBF, but not after what I saw he did to Marquez.
PAC should fight Berto or Mosely next. Great payday with not too much risk.

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Originally posted by N8: Ill take a bet on Mosely. Mosely will kill Manny..lol. Berto will beat Manny but it will be a slug out. And Manny giving P-Dub hell...lmao. Did you see what he did to winky wright! I wish the Pavlik fight would have went down. Now thinking about it, Roach would try to make P-Dub fight for the welter belt at 130 or something to give manny a edge. What ever happens next I hope it is at the real weight for whatever weight class.

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Exactly. LOL P-Dub?! Maybe if P-Dub was 7" shorter and 20lbs lighter, Pac would have a chance. No way in hell, Pac would give P-Dub hell. Theres a reason P-Dub can't get a big fight, it would be a career disaster for any of the prospective fighters right NOW in THIS era. There's only so much a fighter can overcome.

Everyone wants Pac vs. Floyd, but it'll be at 145, no higher. 99% chance Floyd won't come down that far and Pac won't go up, but who knows. [/QB]

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Originally posted by N8: Ill take a bet on Mosely. Mosely will kill Manny..lol. Berto will beat Manny but it will be a slug out. And Manny giving P-Dub hell...lmao. Did you see what he did to winky wright! I wish the Pavlik fight would have went down. Now thinking about it, Roach would try to make P-Dub fight for the welter belt at 130 or something to give manny a edge. What ever happens next I hope it is at the real weight for whatever weight class.

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Exactly. LOL P-Dub?! Maybe if P-Dub was 7" shorter and 20lbs lighter, Pac would have a chance. No way in hell, Pac would give P-Dub hell. Theres a reason P-Dub can't get a big fight, it would be a career disaster for any of the prospective fighters right NOW in THIS era. There's only so much a fighter can overcome.

Everyone wants Pac vs. Floyd, but it'll be at 145, no higher. 99% chance Floyd won't come down that far and Pac won't go up, but who knows.

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Floyd makes 145 easily. But it is no secret he shows up to the ring around 150-ish. Most fighters show up to the ring slightly over the weigh in weight. But manny has racked up wins by stipulating match weights. But I am sure Mosely and Mayweather will not fall for that. And yea Williams is a beast in 3 weight classes including welter. Hell he had to beg Pavlik for a fight. [/QB]

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Saturday was a tuff night. I'm a huge Cotto fan and to see him lose is devastating. When cotto lost I just wanted to burry myself in my blankets lol ( not kidding ). Dont get me wrong, i wasn't ashamed of how he fought cuz I think he fought like a true champ. He didn't quit on his stool in the 8th round, get knocked out in the 2nd round or run from the opening bell. He gave it all he had and wouldn't stop until the ref stopped it. He showed heart..

When I hear people say that he wasn't the best at 147lbs thats a joke. I could swore Cotto beat Mosley lol. And who has Berto and Williams foght to be considered the best? Williams and Berto are so raw and unpollished its not even funny. Berto throws haymakers and will get caught so fast he wont know what hit him!!!

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Cotto is the 4th best Welter. He has beat some quality people Mosely included. Cotto is not Hall of Fame Mosely is. Mosely is currently a champ Cotto isnt. So that is why you give the nod to him. Mayweather we know if just better. Paul Williams is ducked by everyone and has beaten winky wright convincingly. And next to Floyd is the best defensive fighter out there. He has also beat Margarito, Quintana and Phillips. It is no secret he is the most ducked man in the game behind chad dawson. I still like Cotto but in all reality he should hang em up. He got beat bad and Manny is still not that good in my eyes to have beaten him like that. I am thinking he is damaged goods now. There are no fights out there for him now.

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Posted by AbominableSnoman... (Member # 8290) on :
 
credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.
 

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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No doubt I gave him his due. but I also see what it is for what it is too. No other fighter has fought at so many match weights that I can think of in recent memory. Not saying the outcome would have been different. But to me it is a unfair practice. If you are fight at welter do so. I agree with your assessment of Mayweather too. I would like to see him fight legitimate welters. But we all know he chases checks not the best fighters. So what i would say is these promoters need to up their game with their fighters. Get the name instead of trying to make a name with Floyd. We all know he is not gonna do that. but no doubt he will fight anyone.

On Manny fighting anyone I tend to disagree. He could have chosen to fight Mosely for a belt or Berto for a belt. But.... Both of those was more of a mountain to climb than Cotto. Plus Arum did some dangling in that as well. But Manny could have pushed for Mosely. That would have been THE best fight from a fight stand point if he wanted a belt in his 7th weight class. But Manny went with the check (like Mayweather would have). Do I fault him? No. But do I see it for what it is? yes. The road of less resistance for bargaining leverage on Mayweather.

So not to take anything from Manny, but I am not giving him the maximum either. Either drop down to the lower weight classes, or topple the true elite of the class. Then I will give him that credit (from a boxing perspective). I guess you would have considered RJJ a capable heavyweight champ too then after he beat Ruiz. Same thing, road of less resistance for a mark in history. After he relinquished because he would not be able to hang in that division. Same with Manny.

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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No doubt I gave him his due. but I also see what it is for what it is too. No other fighter has fought at so many match weights that I can think of in recent memory. Not saying the outcome would have been different. But to me it is a unfair practice. If you are fight at welter do so. I agree with your assessment of Mayweather too. I would like to see him fight legitimate welters. But we all know he chases checks not the best fighters. So what i would say is these promoters need to up their game with their fighters. Get the name instead of trying to make a name with Floyd. We all know he is not gonna do that. but no doubt he will fight anyone.

On Manny fighting anyone I tend to disagree. He could have chosen to fight Mosely for a belt or Berto for a belt. But.... Both of those was more of a mountain to climb than Cotto. Plus Arum did some dangling in that as well. But Manny could have pushed for Mosely. That would have been THE best fight from a fight stand point if he wanted a belt in his 7th weight class. But Manny went with the check (like Mayweather would have). Do I fault him? No. But do I see it for what it is? yes. The road of less resistance for bargaining leverage on Mayweather.

So not to take anything from Manny, but I am not giving him the maximum either. Either drop down to the lower weight classes, or topple the true elite of the class. Then I will give him that credit (from a boxing perspective). I guess you would have considered RJJ a capable heavyweight champ too then after he beat Ruiz. Same thing, road of less resistance for a mark in history. After he relinquished because he would not be able to hang in that division. Same with Manny.

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I get what your saying but it's not like they're fighting at 130...
This dude is adding weight to move up as well; whats so unfair about meeting halfway???
We have to be reasonable and understand that in order for these fights to happen, this is the most sensible option.
Jogging with an added 15 lbs of weight is so much more difficult... can't imagine going 12 rounds against the best the world being a breeze.

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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No doubt I gave him his due. but I also see what it is for what it is too. No other fighter has fought at so many match weights that I can think of in recent memory. Not saying the outcome would have been different. But to me it is a unfair practice. If you are fight at welter do so. I agree with your assessment of Mayweather too. I would like to see him fight legitimate welters. But we all know he chases checks not the best fighters. So what i would say is these promoters need to up their game with their fighters. Get the name instead of trying to make a name with Floyd. We all know he is not gonna do that. but no doubt he will fight anyone.

On Manny fighting anyone I tend to disagree. He could have chosen to fight Mosely for a belt or Berto for a belt. But.... Both of those was more of a mountain to climb than Cotto. Plus Arum did some dangling in that as well. But Manny could have pushed for Mosely. That would have been THE best fight from a fight stand point if he wanted a belt in his 7th weight class. But Manny went with the check (like Mayweather would have). Do I fault him? No. But do I see it for what it is? yes. The road of less resistance for bargaining leverage on Mayweather.

So not to take anything from Manny, but I am not giving him the maximum either. Either drop down to the lower weight classes, or topple the true elite of the class. Then I will give him that credit (from a boxing perspective). I guess you would have considered RJJ a capable heavyweight champ too then after he beat Ruiz. Same thing, road of less resistance for a mark in history. After he relinquished because he would not be able to hang in that division. Same with Manny.

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I get what your saying but it's not like they're fighting at 130...
This dude is adding weight to move up as well; whats so unfair about meeting halfway???
We have to be reasonable and understand that in order for these fights to happen, this is the most sensible option.
Jogging with an added 15 lbs of weight is so much more difficult... can't imagine going 12 rounds against the best the world being a breeze.

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See boxing should not and wasnt always like that. If you challenge the bigger man you become bigger. Holyfield never fought at match weights. Mayweather didnt fight at match weights. Hell David Haye just fought the biggest heavyweight ever and won and dude is a blown up cruiserweight and didnt ask for a match weight. What Manny is doing is not the norm and should not be considered. P-Dub is a generation or 2 too late. Had he been in the RJJ or Hearns era he would be a hall of famer because everyone would jump at the challenge. Now a days people fight the fans not the fighter. And hell yea if I could adapt Mayweathers style I would too. Who wouldnt. Boxing is a science like chess, MMA is a gladiator sport.

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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Saturday was a tuff night. I'm a huge Cotto fan and to see him lose is devastating. When cotto lost I just wanted to burry myself in my blankets lol ( not kidding ). Dont get me wrong, i wasn't ashamed of how he fought cuz I think he fought like a true champ. He didn't quit on his stool in the 8th round, get knocked out in the 2nd round or run from the opening bell. He gave it all he had and wouldn't stop until the ref stopped it. He showed heart..

When I hear people say that he wasn't the best at 147lbs thats a joke. I could swore Cotto beat Mosley lol. And who has Berto and Williams foght to be considered the best? Williams and Berto are so raw and unpollished its not even funny. Berto throws haymakers and will get caught so fast he wont know what hit him!!!

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Cotto is the 4th best Welter. He has beat some quality people Mosely included. Cotto is not Hall of Fame Mosely is. Mosely is currently a champ Cotto isnt. So that is why you give the nod to him. Mayweather we know if just better. Paul Williams is ducked by everyone and has beaten winky wright convincingly. And next to Floyd is the best defensive fighter out there. He has also beat Margarito, Quintana and Phillips. It is no secret he is the most ducked man in the game behind chad dawson. I still like Cotto but in all reality he should hang em up. He got beat bad and Manny is still not that good in my eyes to have beaten him like that. I am thinking he is damaged goods now. There are no fights out there for him now.

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Saturday was a tuff night. I'm a huge Cotto fan and to see him lose is devastating. When cotto lost I just wanted to burry myself in my blankets lol ( not kidding ). Dont get me wrong, i wasn't ashamed of how he fought cuz I think he fought like a true champ. He didn't quit on his stool in the 8th round, get knocked out in the 2nd round or run from the opening bell. He gave it all he had and wouldn't stop until the ref stopped it. He showed heart..

When I hear people say that he wasn't the best at 147lbs thats a joke. I could swore Cotto beat Mosley lol. And who has Berto and Williams foght to be considered the best? Williams and Berto are so raw and unpollished its not even funny. Berto throws haymakers and will get caught so fast he wont know what hit him!!!

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Cotto is the 4th best Welter. He has beat some quality people Mosely included. Cotto is not Hall of Fame Mosely is. Mosely is currently a champ Cotto isnt. So that is why you give the nod to him. Mayweather we know if just better. Paul Williams is ducked by everyone and has beaten winky wright convincingly. And next to Floyd is the best defensive fighter out there. He has also beat Margarito, Quintana and Phillips. It is no secret he is the most ducked man in the game behind chad dawson. I still like Cotto but in all reality he should hang em up. He got beat bad and Manny is still not that good in my eyes to have beaten him like that. I am thinking he is damaged goods now. There are no fights out there for him now.

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I disagree, how is Mosely a hall of Famer? He lost to Vernon Forest twice along with Winky Wright twice and Miguel Cotto. The only reason he beat Oscar DeLa Hoya is cuz he was on Steroids lol. Who knows how long he was juicin? I see you also say that Paul Williams has beat quality. You say Margarito, Quintana and Philips. Margarito must of not been using his cement gloves that night. Quintana??? Who hasn't beat that clown??? And Philips? Do you mean Tony Philips or Wilson Philips lol.

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MOseley is a first ballot hall of famer. he practically clered out the lightweight division winning almost all his fights by K.O. before moving up and becoming the undisputed welterweight champ. He has fought quality opposition and really never ducked anyone besides paul williams lol! How can anyone not like him or doubt his credentials! In my opinion Moseley's career > Oscar de loa Hoya's and Oscar is a first ballot hall of famer too. Oscar was a good fighter but I consider Mposeley one of the greats!
 

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Its all good, but its funny how people jump on the Pacquiao wagon all of a sudden lol
 

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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No doubt I gave him his due. but I also see what it is for what it is too. No other fighter has fought at so many match weights that I can think of in recent memory. Not saying the outcome would have been different. But to me it is a unfair practice. If you are fight at welter do so. I agree with your assessment of Mayweather too. I would like to see him fight legitimate welters. But we all know he chases checks not the best fighters. So what i would say is these promoters need to up their game with their fighters. Get the name instead of trying to make a name with Floyd. We all know he is not gonna do that. but no doubt he will fight anyone.

On Manny fighting anyone I tend to disagree. He could have chosen to fight Mosely for a belt or Berto for a belt. But.... Both of those was more of a mountain to climb than Cotto. Plus Arum did some dangling in that as well. But Manny could have pushed for Mosely. That would have been THE best fight from a fight stand point if he wanted a belt in his 7th weight class. But Manny went with the check (like Mayweather would have). Do I fault him? No. But do I see it for what it is? yes. The road of less resistance for bargaining leverage on Mayweather.

So not to take anything from Manny, but I am not giving him the maximum either. Either drop down to the lower weight classes, or topple the true elite of the class. Then I will give him that credit (from a boxing perspective). I guess you would have considered RJJ a capable heavyweight champ too then after he beat Ruiz. Same thing, road of less resistance for a mark in history. After he relinquished because he would not be able to hang in that division. Same with Manny.

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I get what your saying but it's not like they're fighting at 130...
This dude is adding weight to move up as well; whats so unfair about meeting halfway???
We have to be reasonable and understand that in order for these fights to happen, this is the most sensible option.
Jogging with an added 15 lbs of weight is so much more difficult... can't imagine going 12 rounds against the best the world being a breeze.

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See boxing should not and wasnt always like that. If you challenge the bigger man you become bigger. Holyfield never fought at match weights. Mayweather didnt fight at match weights. Hell David Haye just fought the biggest heavyweight ever and won and dude is a blown up cruiserweight and didnt ask for a match weight. What Manny is doing is not the norm and should not be considered. P-Dub is a generation or 2 too late. Had he been in the RJJ or Hearns era he would be a hall of famer because everyone would jump at the challenge. Now a days people fight the fans not the fighter. And hell yea if I could adapt Mayweathers style I would too. Who wouldnt. Boxing is a science like chess, MMA is a gladiator sport.

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i mean no disrespect n8, but boxing is a gladiator sport... lookup the history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing scroll to the bottom.

PBF got skills, and i give him credit for that, but what he's doing aint BOXING, he's DODGING. he's like that girl that hid the whole time in the movie role models!

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Saturday was a tuff night. I'm a huge Cotto fan and to see him lose is devastating. When cotto lost I just wanted to burry myself in my blankets lol ( not kidding ). Dont get me wrong, i wasn't ashamed of how he fought cuz I think he fought like a true champ. He didn't quit on his stool in the 8th round, get knocked out in the 2nd round or run from the opening bell. He gave it all he had and wouldn't stop until the ref stopped it. He showed heart..

When I hear people say that he wasn't the best at 147lbs thats a joke. I could swore Cotto beat Mosley lol. And who has Berto and Williams foght to be considered the best? Williams and Berto are so raw and unpollished its not even funny. Berto throws haymakers and will get caught so fast he wont know what hit him!!!

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Cotto is the 4th best Welter. He has beat some quality people Mosely included. Cotto is not Hall of Fame Mosely is. Mosely is currently a champ Cotto isnt. So that is why you give the nod to him. Mayweather we know if just better. Paul Williams is ducked by everyone and has beaten winky wright convincingly. And next to Floyd is the best defensive fighter out there. He has also beat Margarito, Quintana and Phillips. It is no secret he is the most ducked man in the game behind chad dawson. I still like Cotto but in all reality he should hang em up. He got beat bad and Manny is still not that good in my eyes to have beaten him like that. I am thinking he is damaged goods now. There are no fights out there for him now.

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I disagree, how is Mosely a hall of Famer? He lost to Vernon Forest twice along with Winky Wright twice and Miguel Cotto. The only reason he beat Oscar DeLa Hoya is cuz he was on Steroids lol. Who knows how long he was juicin? I see you also say that Paul Williams has beat quality. You say Margarito, Quintana and Philips. Margarito must of not been using his cement gloves that night. Quintana??? Who hasn't beat that clown??? And Philips? Do you mean Tony Philips or Wilson Philips lol.

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credit should be given where credit is due! I think most people that had all the stuff to say about manny getting his ass handed to him by cotto needs to realize just how good manny is. you dont get all them belts by luck? how do yal not see manny's skills? anyways... how many of all these other fighters stepped up in so many weight divisions? how many of them have beat so many other fighters in higher weight divisions.... Pacman dont talk no crap about nobody, he fights whoever they put in front of him in the ring. This man overcame so many obscticles, that the other fighters would never know about, and at the end of the day CHUNKS of this doode's money goes to the people. So wheres the respect? its always whos better than him, and who his next fight is gonna be, and how hes gonna cheat them, and how theyre boutta beat on him! To me, the fairest fight would be against Maywether. PBF got defense skills, but he just waits around for openings, he dont fight! He dont care about nobody but PBF. IMO he aint fought nobody with credentials, he fought Marquez? When Pac fought Marquez he wasnt NOWHERE near where he is now.. Pac will now take Marquez WAY WORSE than PBF did. I think Cotto will school PBF! thats a fight i wanna see happen soon. you guys keep naming fighters much bigger and stronger than manny.. you guys might as well talk about KLITSCHO already. HAHAHA.. come on guys, these threads always end up the same.. just say congratulations, and talk about the fight that just happened.

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No doubt I gave him his due. but I also see what it is for what it is too. No other fighter has fought at so many match weights that I can think of in recent memory. Not saying the outcome would have been different. But to me it is a unfair practice. If you are fight at welter do so. I agree with your assessment of Mayweather too. I would like to see him fight legitimate welters. But we all know he chases checks not the best fighters. So what i would say is these promoters need to up their game with their fighters. Get the name instead of trying to make a name with Floyd. We all know he is not gonna do that. but no doubt he will fight anyone.

On Manny fighting anyone I tend to disagree. He could have chosen to fight Mosely for a belt or Berto for a belt. But.... Both of those was more of a mountain to climb than Cotto. Plus Arum did some dangling in that as well. But Manny could have pushed for Mosely. That would have been THE best fight from a fight stand point if he wanted a belt in his 7th weight class. But Manny went with the check (like Mayweather would have). Do I fault him? No. But do I see it for what it is? yes. The road of less resistance for bargaining leverage on Mayweather.

So not to take anything from Manny, but I am not giving him the maximum either. Either drop down to the lower weight classes, or topple the true elite of the class. Then I will give him that credit (from a boxing perspective). I guess you would have considered RJJ a capable heavyweight champ too then after he beat Ruiz. Same thing, road of less resistance for a mark in history. After he relinquished because he would not be able to hang in that division. Same with Manny.

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I get what your saying but it's not like they're fighting at 130...
This dude is adding weight to move up as well; whats so unfair about meeting halfway???
We have to be reasonable and understand that in order for these fights to happen, this is the most sensible option.
Jogging with an added 15 lbs of weight is so much more difficult... can't imagine going 12 rounds against the best the world being a breeze.

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See boxing should not and wasnt always like that. If you challenge the bigger man you become bigger. Holyfield never fought at match weights. Mayweather didnt fight at match weights. Hell David Haye just fought the biggest heavyweight ever and won and dude is a blown up cruiserweight and didnt ask for a match weight. What Manny is doing is not the norm and should not be considered. P-Dub is a generation or 2 too late. Had he been in the RJJ or Hearns era he would be a hall of famer because everyone would jump at the challenge. Now a days people fight the fans not the fighter. And hell yea if I could adapt Mayweathers style I would too. Who wouldnt. Boxing is a science like chess, MMA is a gladiator sport.

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i mean no disrespect n8, but boxing is a gladiator sport... lookup the history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing scroll to the bottom.

PBF got skills, and i give him credit for that, but what he's doing aint BOXING, he's DODGING. he's like that girl that hid the whole time in the movie role models!

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Again someone who confuses boxing w/ MMA...PBF style is the definition of boxing...The object of boxing is to hit the opponent as many times as you can while limiting the amount of time you get hit...Standing toe to toe and trading blows until someone falls is not boxing...It is sad when the best defensive fighter of his era it not admired but hated on...but this CA ford, should i expect anything else...

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Saturday was a tuff night. I'm a huge Cotto fan and to see him lose is devastating. When cotto lost I just wanted to burry myself in my blankets lol ( not kidding ). Dont get me wrong, i wasn't ashamed of how he fought cuz I think he fought like a true champ. He didn't quit on his stool in the 8th round, get knocked out in the 2nd round or run from the opening bell. He gave it all he had and wouldn't stop until the ref stopped it. He showed heart..

When I hear people say that he wasn't the best at 147lbs thats a joke. I could swore Cotto beat Mosley lol. And who has Berto and Williams foght to be considered the best? Williams and Berto are so raw and unpollished its not even funny. Berto throws haymakers and will get caught so fast he wont know what hit him!!!

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Cotto is the 4th best Welter. He has beat some quality people Mosely included. Cotto is not Hall of Fame Mosely is. Mosely is currently a champ Cotto isnt. So that is why you give the nod to him. Mayweather we know if just better. Paul Williams is ducked by everyone and has beaten winky wright convincingly. And next to Floyd is the best defensive fighter out there. He has also beat Margarito, Quintana and Phillips. It is no secret he is the most ducked man in the game behind chad dawson. I still like Cotto but in all reality he should hang em up. He got beat bad and Manny is still not that good in my eyes to have beaten him like that. I am thinking he is damaged goods now. There are no fights out there for him now.

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I disagree, how is Mosely a hall of Famer? He lost to Vernon Forest twice along with Winky Wright twice and Miguel Cotto. The only reason he beat Oscar DeLa Hoya is cuz he was on Steroids lol. Who knows how long he was juicin? I see you also say that Paul Williams has beat quality. You say Margarito, Quintana and Philips. Margarito must of not been using his cement gloves that night. Quintana??? Who hasn't beat that clown??? And Philips? Do you mean Tony Philips or Wilson Philips lol.

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You must have just started watching boxing if you think shane is not a Hall of Famer. As for Paul Williams, watch his fights, not his opponents, his fights. There is a reason this man can fight in 3 weight classes in any country and can not I repeat CAN NOT get not a one person to fight him. Pavlik stepped up, but then stepped down. Then quickly averted to fight someone else. Even though the person may be fighting a lesser opponent you still have to watch what they are working with. P-Dub is like Hearns but with more power and I would say better movement. More athletic.

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Saturday was a tuff night. I'm a huge Cotto fan and to see him lose is devastating. When cotto lost I just wanted to burry myself in my blankets lol ( not kidding ). Dont get me wrong, i wasn't ashamed of how he fought cuz I think he fought like a true champ. He didn't quit on his stool in the 8th round, get knocked out in the 2nd round or run from the opening bell. He gave it all he had and wouldn't stop until the ref stopped it. He showed heart..

When I hear people say that he wasn't the best at 147lbs thats a joke. I could swore Cotto beat Mosley lol. And who has Berto and Williams foght to be considered the best? Williams and Berto are so raw and unpollished its not even funny. Berto throws haymakers and will get caught so fast he wont know what hit him!!!

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Cotto is the 4th best Welter. He has beat some quality people Mosely included. Cotto is not Hall of Fame Mosely is. Mosely is currently a champ Cotto isnt. So that is why you give the nod to him. Mayweather we know if just better. Paul Williams is ducked by everyone and has beaten winky wright convincingly. And next to Floyd is the best defensive fighter out there. He has also beat Margarito, Quintana and Phillips. It is no secret he is the most ducked man in the game behind chad dawson. I still like Cotto but in all reality he should hang em up. He got beat bad and Manny is still not that good in my eyes to have beaten him like that. I am thinking he is damaged goods now. There are no fights out there for him now.

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I disagree, how is Mosely a hall of Famer? He lost to Vernon Forest twice along with Winky Wright twice and Miguel Cotto. The only reason he beat Oscar DeLa Hoya is cuz he was on Steroids lol. Who knows how long he was juicin? I see you also say that Paul Williams has beat quality. You say Margarito, Quintana and Philips. Margarito must of not been using his cement gloves that night. Quintana??? Who hasn't beat that clown??? And Philips? Do you mean Tony Philips or Wilson Philips lol.

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You must have just started watching boxing if you think shane is not a Hall of Famer. As for Paul Williams, watch his fights, not his opponents, his fights. There is a reason this man can fight in 3 weight classes in any country and can not I repeat CAN NOT get not a one person to fight him. Pavlik stepped up, but then stepped down. Then quickly averted to fight someone else. Even though the person may be fighting a lesser opponent you still have to watch what they are working with. P-Dub is like Hearns but with more power and I would say better movement. More athletic.

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You must have just started watching boxing if you think that clown has more power than the "hitman" hahahaha. Just ask Roberto Duran.

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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I do not think anyone is being racist. Most fans of Manny are fans of their heritage and what he represents to all Filipinos. Which is great I am all for that. But you have to separate that from boxing speak and analysis. I know for me I am not looking at him as a Filipino boxer, just a boxer. A boxer who will get his dick put in the dirt by Mayweather, Mosely and Paul Williams...lmao.

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No, I'm just bringing up what Batman over here said about the Philippines last week before the fight even happened. We were talking about BOXING and BS'ing about these two guys, then he had to cross the line with some bullshit talking about "the Philippines is a landslide that we call home"...had to call this fool on it and he went and deleted it. Smart guy, eh???

But I do respect you N8 You have A LOT to say about evrey damn topic on cafords hahahah

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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I do not think anyone is being racist. Most fans of Manny are fans of their heritage and what he represents to all Filipinos. Which is great I am all for that. But you have to separate that from boxing speak and analysis. I know for me I am not looking at him as a Filipino boxer, just a boxer. A boxer who will get his dick put in the dirt by Mayweather, Mosely and Paul Williams...lmao.

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No, I'm just bringing up what Batman over here said about the Philippines last week before the fight even happened. We were talking about BOXING and BS'ing about these two guys, then he had to cross the line with some bullshit talking about "the Philippines is a landslide that we call home"...had to call this fool on it and he went and deleted it. Smart guy, eh???

But I do respect you N8 You have A LOT to say about evrey damn topic on cafords hahahah

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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Honestly I don't see Manny any different than the fighter who beat Marquez barely...The only difference I see is Manny fighting offensive minded fighters with poor defense rather than defensive minded counter punchers...The last two fighter sharing the same style...Pressure fighters with poor defense who are more prone to brawl than box...What Manny is as a fighter is a brawler...if he is forced to box he will lose...if he brawls he will win...case in point the Marquez fights vs his last four fights...

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Honestly I don't see Manny any different than the fighter who beat Marquez barely...The only difference I see is Manny fighting offensive minded fighters with poor defense rather than defensive minded counter punchers...The last two fighter sharing the same style...Pressure fighters with poor defense who are more prone to brawl than box...What Manny is as a fighter is a brawler...if he is forced to box he will lose...if he brawls he will win...case in point the Marquez fights vs his last four fights...

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One change I do see is the side step, some what reminiscent of the Tyson of young where he would engage close quarters then deliver some devastating blows via the side step. And I see Manny using both hands more often. To me he still needs a better jab, but then that would make him a boxer...lol. He slipped quite a few punches in the Cotto fight as well. Which I rarely see him do. But he was tagged quite often by Cotto imagine the speed of mayweather. He would blaze his face all night. Mix that with making Manny miss all night. Yea Manny wouldnt win except by lucky punch ala Rahman V Lewis.

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Originally posted by BATMOBILE:
And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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I never was taking anything away from Manny besides I aint racist. I added a comment that I thought was funny but didn't think about how ppl lost their lives and edited it. You even got an appology out me and thats rare. And also, show me a post where I bashed Manny, I just thought my fighter was gonna win. And BTW I didnt edit it cuz you called me out on it, I already edited it before that. Read my reply to you and you will see. I wouldnt edit anything cuz you or anyone else tells me to anyway HOMIE...

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Edit yo shit homie...lol. I agree dude apologized and edited it. But you were quick on the draw with the reply. Let it go...
 

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Posted by BATMOBILE (Member # 6239) on :
 

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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I do not think anyone is being racist. Most fans of Manny are fans of their heritage and what he represents to all Filipinos. Which is great I am all for that. But you have to separate that from boxing speak and analysis. I know for me I am not looking at him as a Filipino boxer, just a boxer. A boxer who will get his dick put in the dirt by Mayweather, Mosely and Paul Williams...lmao.

Calm down folks and talk boxing.

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No, I'm just bringing up what Batman over here said about the Philippines last week before the fight even happened. We were talking about BOXING and BS'ing about these two guys, then he had to cross the line with some bullshit talking about "the Philippines is a landslide that we call home"...had to call this fool on it and he went and deleted it. Smart guy, eh???

But I do respect you N8 You have A LOT to say about evrey damn topic on cafords hahahah

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hahah, yea I am a talkative mofo...Even in person. But he apologized for that slip up.

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And BTW I can post a bunch of pics where Manny was get slapped around by many different fighters in lower weight classes.

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Post them homie...your just sour cuz your boy got slapped the fuck around!!! Some people just never learn...just like your racist ass comment that you deleted after I called you out on Keywords here are "lower weight classes." Manny went UP...gained weight, gained strength, more knowledge, and is just an all around better fighter NOW then before. So go ahead, try to continue your Manny bashing, although he still just beat Cotto's ass HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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I never was taking anything away from Manny besides I aint racist. I added a comment that I thought was funny but didn't think about how ppl lost their lives and edited it. You even got an appology out me and thats rare. And also, show me a post where I bashed Manny, I just thought my fighter was gonna win. And BTW I didnt edit it cuz you called me out on it, I already edited it before that. Read my reply to you and you will see. I wouldnt edit anything cuz you or anyone else tells me to anyway HOMIE...

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Edit yo shit homie...lol. I agree dude apologized and edited it. But you were quick on the draw with the reply. Let it go...

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Once again you are right. This is a sport, my guy lost and thats that. Sidewayz everythings good over here... Boxing is just a touchy sport for alot of people... No more hostile posts comin from me...
 

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Posted by SydeWaySix (Member # 3596) on :
 
All good, i was just pointing it out. Shit wasn't right, but I accept your apology batman And yes, I DID quote your response that still had the "comment" in it... so I was faster then you

To each his own...but my boy whooped your boy's ass jk.
 

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Posted by CAILFORNIAGT (Member # 7845) on :
 
THESE GUYS ARE FADEIN FAST IN THERE WELL INTO THE SIXTH ROUND
 

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Posted by BATMOBILE (Member # 6239) on :
 

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All good, i was just pointing it out. Shit wasn't right, but I accept your apology batman And yes, I DID quote your response that still had the "comment" in it... so I was faster then you

To each his own...but my boy whooped your boy's ass jk.

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