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Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :
 
im looking for some info on performance, right now i have a 302, i know there are alot of aftermarket performance parts at a cheap price. But im looking to buy a 98 cobra, i know performance parts are expensive! i debating on dumping money on my 94, or selling it and getting a modular
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
stock vs stock a 4v modular is much better

modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
 
Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :
 
i know parts are a grip for a modular
 
Posted by 9svtcobra8 (Member # 8408) on :
 
Yea parts are expensive but thats what ca fords is for!! Plus they start getting fast easy! I have a 98 cobra with king cobra clutch, short shifter, under drive pulleys an some sticky tire an went 12.9 @ 106 with a 1.9 sixty foot. So yea If I vote for the cobra!!
 
Posted by 9svtcobra8 (Member # 8408) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
stock vs stock a 4v modular is much better

modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
put 2k in my cobra it'll make some nice hp just look at the base start a car that go's high 14's low 15's stock or a car that go's mid 13's bone stock.
 
Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
Depends on what you are lookin' for. If you get a 98' Cobra you are starting with a 300hp motor, good brakes, and a decent suspension. However, to get serious HP out of it you will need a blower, nitrous, or a shit load of cash if you wanna stay NA.

You have more power options for your 94 but will spend a bit of money to get it to where a 98 cobra would be stock.

I would get the cobra, throw a blower on it and call it good.
 
Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 
marv throw in gears , and some drag radials for traction and you'll eat 98 Cobras like its nothing.

[ December 10, 2008, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: 87droptop50 ]
 
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[ December 10, 2008, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: 87droptop50 ]
 
Posted by 9svtcobra8 (Member # 8408) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 87droptop50:
marv throw an s.c, gears , and some drag radials for traction and you'll eat ls1s like its nothing
I already beat ls1's with no s.c or gears!!
 
Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:


modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
I really hope your including a nitrous system in there at that figure??? Because there is NO WAY that you can come even close to 400anything for $2k
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:


modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
I really hope your including a nitrous system in there at that figure??? Because there is NO WAY that you can come even close to 400anything for $2k
I got an s-trim kit for $800 and trick flow TW heads with a trick flow stage 1 cam and an edelbrock performer intake setup for $1k.

Wasn't that hard to find a good deal on good condition stuff.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:


modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
I really hope your including a nitrous system in there at that figure??? Because there is NO WAY that you can come even close to 400anything for $2k
The turbo system im putting together (DIY style) is gonna be less then 2k [Whoo Whooooo!]
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:


modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
I really hope your including a nitrous system in there at that figure??? Because there is NO WAY that you can come even close to 400anything for $2k
I got an s-trim kit for $800 and trick flow TW heads with a trick flow stage 1 cam and an edelbrock performer intake setup for $1k.

Wasn't that hard to find a good deal on good condition stuff.
Maybe in this economy, but even you must admit that you hit the parts lottery with those prices on good, useable parts!
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:


modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
I really hope your including a nitrous system in there at that figure??? Because there is NO WAY that you can come even close to 400anything for $2k
The turbo system im putting together (DIY style) is gonna be less then 2k [Whoo Whooooo!]
That is what you think, right now.

Trust me, I have been there and done that.

The ONLY way you will get that is to find someone that abandoned their turbo windsor project and is selling in this economy, right now.

I sold my turbo and my hot parts, minus the downpipe for $950.

That still leaves fuel and air delivery and

Fuel,Air,Spark systems along with tuning them.

Dont get me wrong, with DIY you can come close to 2K but look at TURBOGTs car he had a stock motor with 60lbs and a single turbo make 420 to the wheels and go 11s BUT that was with an aftermarket stand alone system.

I am sure he was over 2K and he did not even touch the internals.
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
My recipe for that kind of power would be as follows:

low mileage, good running 87-95 5.0 shortblock.

used aftermarket pedestal mount aluminum heads or stud mount, selling with rockers >900

used aftermarket cam >100

used aftermarket intake >300

used WET nitrous system. >500

used in line pump >100

used in tank pump. >100


Better do the work yourself and have the hookup on fluids and gaskets.

Also better tune the nitrous fat if using the stock MAF/T/B and injector with the H/C/I.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:


modded, I'd prefer to start with a pushrod, throw $2k at it and have 400rwhp, where 2k on a mod motor will get you a box of parts
I really hope your including a nitrous system in there at that figure??? Because there is NO WAY that you can come even close to 400anything for $2k
The turbo system im putting together (DIY style) is gonna be less then 2k [Whoo Whooooo!]
That is what you think, right now.

Trust me, I have been there and done that.

The ONLY way you will get that is to find someone that abandoned their turbo windsor project and is selling in this economy, right now.

I sold my turbo and my hot parts, minus the downpipe for $950.

That still leaves fuel and air delivery and

Fuel,Air,Spark systems along with tuning them.

Dont get me wrong, with DIY you can come close to 2K but look at TURBOGTs car he had a stock motor with 60lbs and a single turbo make 420 to the wheels and go 11s BUT that was with an aftermarket stand alone system.

I am sure he was over 2K and he did not even touch the internals.
Ya im trying to get close lol

Hot parts from Pony Donn - 700 including downpipe
MPT70 turbo - 450
Intercooler Piping (welding myself) - 100
Intercooler - 100 to 200 (from junkyard)
Blow off valve/wastegate - 300
Misc drain line/fitting ect - 150

So ya without fuel system. [Frown] lol

Mike
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
You will need a tune.

Tons of folks have had GREAT luck with the large ebay intercoolers and they are only 199 on ebay.
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
Ya Im gonna look into that.

I think I'm gonna run the Anderson PMS Gen 4 system, but I havent heard to many comments on it either way.

Mike
 
Posted by 00NIGHTMARE (Member # 1010) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
You will need a tune.

Tons of folks have had GREAT luck with the large ebay intercoolers and they are only 199 on ebay.
which ones are these?
 
Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Intercooler-31-x-12-x-3-3-Mustang-Escort-Supra-Celica_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a570Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem200284446852QQitemZ200284446852QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_2285wt_1847

?
 
Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 
I guess you could throw together a combo that can put down approx 400 rwhp but how long will it last [Wink]
 
Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
You will need a tune.

Tons of folks have had GREAT luck with the large ebay intercoolers and they are only 199 on ebay.
Yep and all that has to factor in, which is always overlooked.

Ima put out a challenge to anyone that thinks they can put together a 400rwhp combo for 2k start to finish with ALL necasary parts. Oh and it has to be done legally [Big Grin]

I would pay for the dyno time to see this happen,otherwise you eat the costs!!!
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
You will need a tune.

Tons of folks have had GREAT luck with the large ebay intercoolers and they are only 199 on ebay.
Yep and all that has to factor in, which is always overlooked.

Ima put out a challenge to anyone that thinks they can put together a 400rwhp combo for 2k start to finish with ALL necasary parts. Oh and it has to be done legally [Big Grin]

I would pay for the dyno time to see this happen,otherwise you eat the costs!!!
I don't think it can be done, personally.
 
Posted by 9svtcobra8 (Member # 8408) on :
 
After all of that said an done....get the cobra Put your basic little bolt ons an be in the 12's... put a blower with low boost an be in the 11's its all up to you though. Or get down an dirty take the heads an intake off send them in to get ported an polished slap them back in with some stage 1 cams gain of about (80hp says m.m.r).

[ December 12, 2008, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: 9svtcobra8 ]
 




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