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Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_bi_ge/immigration_raid

ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer
33 minutes ago



LAUREL, Miss. - The largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history has caused panic among Hispanic families in this small southern Mississippi town, where federal agents rounded up nearly 600 plant workers suspected of being in the country illegally.

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One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the Howard Industries transformer plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.

Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping.

"I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration."

About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said.

About 475 other workers were transferred to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.

He said the raid was traumatic for families.

"There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness."

The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday.

Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them.

"They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?"

Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman.

Elizabeth Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the plant Monday when ICE agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. Her husband, Andres, was not so lucky.

"I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Elizabeth Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle.

"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."

Howard Industries is in Mississippi's Pine Belt region, known for commercial timber growth and chicken processing plants. The tech company produces dozens of products ranging from electrical transformers to medical supplies, according to its Web site.

Gonzalez said agents had executed search warrants at both the plant and the company headquarters in nearby Ellisville. She said no company executives had been detained, but this is an "ongoing investigation and yesterday's action was just the first part."

A woman at the Ellisville headquarters told The Associated Press on Tuesday that no one was available to answer questions.

In a statement to the Laurel Leader-Call newspaper, Howard Industries said the company "runs every check allowed to ascertain the immigration status of all applicants for its jobs."

"It is company policy that it hires only U.S. citizens and legal immigrants," the statement said.

Gov. Haley Barbour recently signed a law requiring Mississippi employers to use a U.S. Homeland Security system to check new workers' immigration status.

The law took effect July 1 for businesses with state contracts and takes effect Jan. 1 for other businesses. Mississippi lawmakers once used laptops made by Howard Industries, but it's not clear whether the company has current state contracts.

Under the law, a company found guilty of employing illegal immigrants could lose public contracts for three years and the right to do business in Mississippi for one year.

The law also makes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers.

The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years.

On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.

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Associated Press Writers Shelia Byrd in Hattiesburg, Emily Wagster Pettus in Jackson and Eileen Sullivan in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.
 
Posted by mustang928 (Member # 2123) on :
 
Election time!

yeah, they have been active down here in socal, especially these past couple of months. The local spanish stations are alerting people of where they're happening. They even hassled my dad a couple of times, he just retired(59yr old) and rides his bike alot... so I guess he looks "suspect"

[patriot]
 
Posted by dizzle-sizzle-hotdog (Member # 8560) on :
 
more raids means more jobs for american citizens GO ICE [patriot]
 
Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mustang928:
They even hassled my dad a couple of times, he just retired(59yr old) and rides his bike alot... so I guess he looks "suspect"

[patriot]
We all get hassled for different shit. We look suspect when we roll by in a nice Mustang. Just like any of us, if he's legal then no reason to sweat it.
 
Posted by RedBaron (Member # 4361) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yaterstang:


One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the Howard Industries transformer plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.

John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.

"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."
my favorite three paragraphs.

Yep, the pastor said they were "handled like criminals".. obviously not comprehending the word 'Illegal' here, is he?

And how about the attorney, defending these clowns for false Social Security and residency paperwork? Why do I just know that if I falsified MY paperwork, my ass would be gettin' some sweet lovin in prison?

And the best part:"Fellow workers in the plant applauded during the raid." Ever been to Ol' Missippi? There's a hell of a lot of folk that would gladly take those jobs down there- not everyone in this country is afraid of a little hard work.

It's a shame it had to come to this, but as I understand it, it's not rocket science to apply to immigrate here LEGALLY.
 
Posted by mustang928 (Member # 2123) on :
 
quote:
We all get hassled for different shit. We look suspect when we roll by in a nice Mustang. Just like any of us, if he's legal then no reason to sweat it. [/QB]
Why the anger.... Geez.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dizzle-sizzle-hotdog:
more raids means more jobs for american citizens GO ICE [patriot]
Not to go all controversial. But you would be surprised how much our economy is predicated on illegal aliens. These folks do jobs for pay that A. Most Americans are plain out are too lazy to do B. Would not do it for even double what some illegal immigrants are getting paid. It will never go away completely. But if it did, we would be paying 10 bucks a pound for tomatoes. I think more time should be spent on trying to get programs to naturalize these people. And maybe do some kind of program on the other sides of borders to ease the transition. I know it is easy to say. but forcing them underground then popping up and snatching fathers from children and disrupting lives is not the way to go.

Just my .02

[ August 27, 2008, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 
Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on :
 
For everyone who has immigrated here legally, it is a slap in the face to them for illegals to be allowed to stay. It is a lot of time and paperwork to get legal, reward those who do, punish those who shirk responsiblility.
 
Posted by 92_chp (Member # 5574) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by dizzle-sizzle-hotdog:
more raids means more jobs for american citizens GO ICE [patriot]
Not to go all controversial. But you would be surprised how much our economy is predicated on illegal aliens. These folks do jobs for pay that A. Most Americans are plain out are too lazy to do B. Would not do it for even double what some illegal immigrants are getting paid. It will never go away completely. But if it did, we would be paying 10 bucks a pound for tomatoes. I think more time should be spent on trying to get programs to naturalize these people. And maybe do some kind of program on the other sides of borders to ease the transition. I know it is easy to say. but forcing them underground then popping up and snatching fathers from children and disrupting lives is not the way to go.

Just my .02
I second that, Most people work hard. I know for a fact American Citizen will not work in the fields picking fruit and all that good stuff. [patriot]

[ August 27, 2008, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: 92_chp ]
 
Posted by COBRAreflection (Member # 5247) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by phildog:
For everyone who has immigrated here legally, it is a slap in the face to them for illegals to be allowed to stay. It is a lot of time and paperwork to get legal, reward those who do, punish those who shirk responsiblility.
I agree. I'm Mexican-American and didn't feel this way until my grandmother explained how hard she worked to "Legally" get into this country. It upsets here alot that people are able to get away with illegally staying here. I cannot say I agree with taking people away from their children, but for those that don't have family ties, they should get sent back.

[ August 27, 2008, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: COBRAreflection ]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by phildog:
For everyone who has immigrated here legally, it is a slap in the face to them for illegals to be allowed to stay. It is a lot of time and paperwork to get legal, reward those who do, punish those who shirk responsiblility.
Imagine the resources we spend on the punishments and round ups. And the mess it leaves behind. A lot of times the humanitarian law leaves behind the pregnant mothers and those with small children. So now you have a mother who will likely be on welfare. So now the fuels the welfare argument. Then there is a good chance the child will grow up and be a delinquent. Now that fuels the immigrants cause crime problems argument. But if 18 years ago they would have had a immigrant reform program or at least the option. Things "could" have worked out differently. I mean I am in observance of the law they are breaking. And I see how the cut corner would piss off those who worked hard. but it just isn't working the way it is now. It just helps the system blame immigrants for society;s transgressions.
 
Posted by Cobraboy (Member # 7826) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by phildog:
For everyone who has immigrated here legally, it is a slap in the face to them for illegals to be allowed to stay. It is a lot of time and paperwork to get legal, reward those who do, punish those who shirk responsiblility.
Imagine the resources we spend on the punishments and round ups. And the mess it leaves behind. A lot of times the humanitarian law leaves behind the pregnant mothers and those with small children. So now you have a mother who will likely be on welfare. So now the fuels the welfare argument. Then there is a good chance the child will grow up and be a delinquent. Now that fuels the immigrants cause crime problems argument. But if 18 years ago they would have had a immigrant reform program or at least the option. Things "could" have worked out differently. I mean I am in observance of the law they are breaking. And I see how the cut corner would piss off those who worked hard. but it just isn't working the way it is now. It just helps the system blame immigrants for society;s transgressions.
Hate to break it to you but illegal immigrants are the cause of a lot of crime in this state. Ask me how I know this.... I know quite a few cops.

I personally could care less to hear about their sob stories of "oh i'm pregnant" "my husband got taken from me"...

Well fucking sucks to be you then. Should have put in the effort to come over here legally so you can pay some taxes like the rest of us instead of suck of the tits of this liberal hippie state for free.

God I get SOOO tired of all these people who sympathize with the A-holes that come up here and demand all this shit. I want a driver's license. I want health care for me and my kids. BUT I don't want to pay taxes.

You would be surprised at how many people would step up and do the jobs that "nobody else would do."
 
Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :
 
being an immigrant myself who was given my citizenship at 2 years of age. i never understood how hard it was for my parents to make it happen. my dad told me he applied before he was even married with my mom and it took him 4 years to make it to the usa. so i understand the legal immigrants being upset over illegals coming here but compnaies need workers who they do not need to pay minimim wage too.

if those workers do not come to us then we will go to them. we will end up out sourcing jobs to other countrys. and if you think that is bull call comcast late at night or dell anytime and ask were the person is when you call. at least these illegals living here will spend money here too. but if we kick illegals out comapies will leave too and our economy will be even more f#@ked.
 
Posted by COBRAreflection (Member # 5247) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
being an immigrant myself who was given my citizenship at 2 years of age. i never understood how hard it was for my parents to make it happen. my dad told me he applied before he was even married with my mom and it took him 4 years to make it to the usa. so i understand the legal immigrants being upset over illegals coming here but compnaies need workers who they do not need to pay minimim wage too.

if those workers do not come to us then we will go to them. we will end up out sourcing jobs to other countrys. and if you think that is bull call comcast late at night or dell anytime and ask were the person is when you call. at least these illegals living here will spend money here too. but if we kick illegals out comapies will leave too and our economy will be even more f#@ked.
Good analysis on your last post N8.

Ins. Dude is right. I work for Comcast and they cut down the billing dept. to less than half and now outsource to call centers in Canada and Guadalajara, Mexico. But, the good news is that Comcast has rated soo low in customer svc, that they are bringing everything back locally here in the Bay area. So those of you that need jobs, be on the lookout real soon.
 
Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mustang928:
quote:
We all get hassled for different shit. We look suspect when we roll by in a nice Mustang. Just like any of us, if he's legal then no reason to sweat it.
Why the anger.... Geez. [/QB]
Who's angry? I was just saying we all get hassled in one way or another. People try and point out they get hassled because of their race. I'm white and have been pulled over and hassled before, it happens to us all. [patriot]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
....if those workers do not come to us then we will go to them. we will end up out sourcing jobs to other countrys. and if you think that is bull call comcast late at night or dell anytime and ask were the person is when you call. at least these illegals living here will spend money here too. but if we kick illegals out comapies will leave too and our economy will be even more f#@ked.
Very smart man. It's funny when clowns just spew at the mouth what they here in pubs or local PD [Roll Eyes] . Our country has a bigger problem and its the dependence on illegal immigrant labor. It's a screwed situation. I can go deep with it but I wont.
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
If we have to outsource jobs that is fine with me.

It is these illegals that come over here and use our resources without paying in, like every other hard working american, tax paying citizen.

Yeah, it may suck that some lose jobs due to outsourcing but it is alot better than having these illgegals using our resources if you ask me.

And the shit about being too lazy to pick the fields and it not paying enough is just that, bullshit.

Who the fuck you think did it before there were so many illegals raising their hands to do it?

Who do you think did these "shit" jobs?

Trust me, these illegals cost us way more resources, jobs etc than they "produce"

.....sorry to rant, but if I fucking pay taxes, so do you!!
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
Illegal imagration is a huge burden on the American tax payer. For all those people who say Americans would not do these jobs...there are plenty of Americans doing them now. This country was not built on the back of Illegals. I expect all these answeres from bay area type people who are out of touch with the reality of the real world. [Roll Eyes] I have worked at many diffferent jobs growing up you say Americans won't do. I don't have to now because of the trade I learned in schools. Stop insulting hard working Americans with that bullshit. I totaly agree with Turbo50 on what he said

[ August 27, 2008, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
 
Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :
 
Personally I also think it is unfair to those who came here legally. I am the son of an immigrant family, and I'm very grateful that I was born here, and that my parents came here the right way. Having said that, I think the immigration problem is complicated, for the same reasons that some of you have listed above. But for those of you talking about who is going to do what crap job, etc etc.. what about the people who are leeching off the system with welfare? (No, I'm not saying everybody on welfare is a mooch, but I'm sure there are some able bodied workers out there who can do some type of task.) The taxpayers are all helping them out. Make them throw in some work too.

Everytime I get my paycheck I wonder where nearly a quarter of my hard earned money is going. If you ask me, illegal immigration is one of many problems that attributes to a seemingly downfall in this country.

Just my .02 [patriot]
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DLo:
Personally I also think it is unfair to those who came here legally. I am the son of an immigrant family, and I'm very grateful that I was born here, and that my parents came here the right way. Having said that, I think the immigration problem is complicated, for the same reasons that some of you have listed above. But for those of you talking about who is going to do what crap job, etc etc.. what about the people who are leeching off the system with welfare? (No, I'm not saying everybody on welfare is a mooch, but I'm sure there are some able bodied workers out there who can do some type of task.) The taxpayers are all helping them out. Make them throw in some work too.

Everytime I get my paycheck I wonder where nearly a quarter of my hard earned money is going. If you ask me, illegal immigration is one of many problems that attributes to a seemingly downfall in this country.

Just my .02 [patriot]
Because when the welfare "leeches" get caught or start earning a PAYCHECK they pay TAXES just like the rest of us.

Illegal immigrants as compared to welfare recipients is apples to organges.

You said it yourself illegal immigrants need to get the fuck out.
 
Posted by threethirty1 (Member # 7814) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
....if those workers do not come to us then we will go to them. we will end up out sourcing jobs to other countrys. and if you think that is bull call comcast late at night or dell anytime and ask were the person is when you call. at least these illegals living here will spend money here too. but if we kick illegals out comapies will leave too and our economy will be even more f#@ked.
Very smart man. It's funny when clowns just spew at the mouth what they here in pubs or local PD [Roll Eyes] . Our country has a bigger problem and its the dependence on illegal immigrant labor. It's a screwed situation. I can go deep with it but I wont.
N8, where do you stand on the tax evasion side of the story. Our government is missing out on billions of $$ in uncollected taxes from illegals. Not to mention the strain they put on our public health systems. I know when i got to mexico to surf i have to bring extra money to pay my "taxes" to the federales.
 
Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
Thats a lot of immigrants! But why not get legal?

Shit i had to go through hell to get my Alien Card / Passport renewed. I had to do paperworks at 6am, stand infront of USCIS in line at 8am etc etc But i got all my sh!t done.

I think if they knew they were illegal, why not TRY to get legal.. I mean sounds like they had been working there for over AT LEAST a year so they couldve easily gotten work permits and such.

I feel for the family of those who got deported, especially wives, kids who lost their husband/father.

But i still don't see why they couldn't get some sort of legal paperwork.
 
Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :
 
i am reading a lot of people on here complain how much illegal immigrants drain our welfare and they should be paying taxes. i really do understand this seintement i mean whats fair for me should be fair for others also. However for those who feel this way please consider the following...

only about 18% of those who recive welfare are illegeal immigrants. the majority of these cases are situations in which the husband and wife illegally immigrated here had a child (born in the usa. so the child is a citizen) but then the working spouce was deported causeing the remaining spouce unable to take care of their child. hence the need for welfare.

47 of every 5,614 is the number of illegal immigrants we prevent from crossing our boarders. how much of our taxes go toward this effort?

the illegal immigrants who work here spend money here they buy cloths, food and shelter. all which we collect sales tax on. if we got rid of all illegal immigrants can you imagen the effect it would have on sales driven business?

Thus far we have not been able to make even a dent in preventing illegal imigration. so why even bother. do not even gaurd the border just make it so unworth it for an illegal immigrant to come here. we can do that by make stiff penalties to empolyers for hiring illegal workers and making it much easier to become a citizen. that way we will get most of the illegal work force legal and paying taxes.

on a side note anyone who says they are okay with out sourcing and being upset about immigration is nuts. thats like being upset someone stole $100 cash from you while being okay with someone stealing $1,000 from your bank.

[ August 27, 2008, 07:46 PM: Message edited by: Insurance Dude ]
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
Illegals getting money out of the welfare system is a issue but not what most of us are talking about. I agree with you on the stiffer penilties for hiring illegals. If there were no jobs why would they cone here. I wouldn't be worried about higher food costs they are up anyhow because of the fuel issue. You can always plant a garden.

[ August 27, 2008, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
I do agree to a certain degree with taxes. But that portion is such a minority its not even worth mentioning. I agree with insurance dude. If you are worried about your tax dollars, worry about the botched efforts to control the border. And as far as welfare again that is a very minuscule minority. I do agree it is a issue and there are unfortunate side effects so dont get me wrong there. But I am telling you, paying 8 bucks a pound for grapes is not cool. And it has been proven and written about constantly how much we depend on this illegal worker situation. I am just saying the problem is deeper than the surface you guys are touching on.
 
Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dizzle-sizzle-hotdog:
more raids means more jobs for american citizens GO ICE [patriot]
What a dumbass! I don't want to work at jack in the box, pick strawberries or f*cking work out in the fields.

Plus all we do is attack the Latin immigrants, what about all the asians, arabs, europeans and all those DAMN canadians? lol
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
You guys think all illegals are capable of is working at jack in the crack, picking grapes or gathering strawberries?

Get a fuckin clue.

If this problem is NOT controlled/regulated to some degree it will move further up the "food" chain of jobs and make it even harder to land a decent paying job.

I say FUCK YEAH!!! GO ICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
quote:
Originally posted by dizzle-sizzle-hotdog:
more raids means more jobs for american citizens GO ICE [patriot]
What a dumbass! I don't want to work at jack in the box, pick strawberries or f*cking work out in the fields.

Plus all we do is attack the Latin immigrants, what about all the asians, arabs, europeans and all those DAMN canadians? lol
Other than the Canadians everyone else would have a shitload of swimming to sneak over here! [Big Grin] I know they do smuggle people here illegally from other countries, its just much easier for the mexicans to sneak in. Shits out of control, they need to end welfare and deport all the illegals.... instant job openings for recently unemployed welfare recipients.
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
try to find a emergancy room in San Diego. Alot have shut down due to illegals, ER's can't refuse service and illegals can't pay. It is ruining the health care industry and draging down the court systems of Ca and alot of the US.
 
Posted by Cobraboy (Member # 7826) on :
 
Kill whitey?
 
Posted by RedBaron (Member # 4361) on :
 
Hey asskickn88, they did say someone from Germany was detained in the story....

[ August 28, 2008, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: RedBaron ]
 
Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :
 
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to pruduce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of thier employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of thier goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
 
Posted by Joooestang66 (Member # 2828) on :
 
It's true about the ER's in San Diego. My best friend is a medic down there and he can roll into any hospital at night and the halls are filled with Mexicans who cannot speak a word of English seeking health care. It's true, we get alot of cheap labor through illegal aliens, but in the long run it's not worth it. This country was not built on illegal aliens, well I guess it was if you consider slavery. I'm not racist, it's just history. This country's ecomonmy grew so fast due to industrialism in the north and agriculture in the south (slave labor). Not all illegals are criminals but some are (at least with my experience and I'm talking about Mexicans, Russians, and Asians). I think the California government needs to get something into legislature. Something like: If you're an illegal alien or cannot provide proof of citizenship and you committed a misdemeanor or worse, 30 days in jail to plead your case, then after that there's the bus ride or plane trip back to your country. The illegal aliens in prision should automatically be sent back to their country of origin. I thought Mexico has a law or agreement that they will not accept deported illegal aliens that are criminals back into their country. The U.S. Government needs to stop sticking their noses in everyone else's business (Iran, Iraq, Russia, Georgia, Kosovo). Who cares if Iran has nuclear missile technology? So does Pakistan. The bottom line is we have more weaponry than they could ever have. If the government didn't spend so much money chasing "terrorists" and Al Quida the US economy would not be in such bad shape as it is. The US should take what they spend for 4 months in Iraq and use it to build our own Berlin wall along the Mexico border. The rest should be spent on locking down our port's security and keeping track of expired Visa's.
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to pruduce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of thier employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of thier goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
You mean like the major economic depression we have right now? lol with the illegals here? Major American corporations are not depending on illegal aliens for there labor the US Gov would make sure of that(tax money).. Alot of farmers and small mom and pops use them. We would not go broke with out illegals in our country. it is happening right now anyhow.....
 
Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
Good.
 
Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :
 
illegals who commit crimes should all be deported ASAP! the jails are already full as it is. As for healthcare that's just a whole other problem on it's own.
 
Posted by blkfoxbody89 (Member # 8361) on :
 
I.c.e. I.c.e. baby! dodo dododo dodododo
 
Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to pruduce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of thier employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of thier goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
 
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
You foos are mixing up federal and state. INS is federal and can deport the mofos. Your local county judge or city police officer cannot. I do agree something needs to be done but the way our government is structured prevents state agencies from doing anything that the feds handle. It would have to be an act of congress to enact a law mandating the deportation of the mofo's. I doubt anything like this would happen, but if it did it would probably pan out like the state would have the power to hold the illegals but the Feds (INS) would be the ones to deport them. Now keep in mind that this would be very hard to enact because those congressional members (house and senate for those that don't know) would have no one to clean their yards, no maids for house work, no one to do their laundry and no nanny's for their kids. So I'm sure they'll think twice about voting for that type of law. And we all know that many of them are of the same ethnicity too!
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to produce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of their employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of their goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
Without them the problem we are having would be x20. We are slightly feeling the effects of some of the new work condition laws. And all that has to do with is providing shade and clean water..lol. Too much in society is riding on this work that most Americans will not do for the wages. It is a very necessary evil, that will only go away with reform. Not deportation or stiff penalties. Well maybe a mix of both, reform and penalties to those we cannot assimilate [Big Grin] . It is so easy to say deport them. But you guys will be the same weenies complaining about 8 bucks per pound for grapes. Agriculture is almost as big as the oil industry when it comes to effects on economy.

And I agree with Cummins as well. I popped back in because I thought he was gonna say something funny. But he said something factual. [worship]
 
Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
Without them more Americans would be making money and being taxed and spending their money here in America.
Illegals just send their money to Mexico.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
Without them more Americans would be making money and being taxed and spending their money here in America.
Illegals just send their money to Mexico.
hahaha....the thought of that thought is funny in itself.
 
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
hahahaah n8 I can be serious sometimes, but not very often. Our government also talks about nationalizing them since they are too many in number here. Their reasoning is because they aren't going to stop illegals from coming here, creating a deportation law and enforcing it will cost too much money and we are already in a big deficit, in order to raise money it will have to come from taxes and this economy can't have people paying more taxes when people are losing homes and jobs, America has companies south of the border NAFTA and they are scared the deportation effects may have on it. Well those are just some reasons there are a lot more. But anyway, nationalizing the illegals taxing them is what some feel is the best solution without stepping on so many toes.

I don't really have an opinion on a solution. I think we let them carry on for too long and now its a HUGE problem. Getting Americans to do the jobs of illegals isn't going to happen. Do you really think that Americans will fill the void? I don't!!! We laaaaaaazy!!!!! So deporting them could also cost the US a lot money. Big companies losing a lot of workers and the jobs not being filled will kill the business. Americans have to step up and fill the voids if we are to deport more often.

[ August 29, 2008, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: cummins ]
 
Posted by saleen_freak (Member # 6521) on :
 
All the low paying jobs should Not go to the illegals. No matter what type of job there are doing all that money goes right over the border anyways. Has anyone been to Mexico? Its f**ked up outside of the tourist areas. Mexico depends on outside money coming in. They have been taking from the US for many years. Now they can say that Ca, AZ, NM and other states were Mexico b4 BUT they sold it!!!!! Mexicans can't go off the past and act like that shit did't happen. The US is home to all immigrents but you need to become a citizen. Its unfair to the US and its citizens to support Mexican immigrants. For example, in healthcare we pay for them to get shots and have kids over here. I don't care if they are doing the hard work, low paying jobs. They're lucky they got over the border.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Saleen

You do realize that there are more than just Mexican immigrants right..lol. We are placing everything on the Mexicans because its common. There are, Cuban, Russians, Polish, Cambodian, Cuban....

But anyway. I do believe we should try reform. And stop blaming immigrants. They are but a subset of a bigger problem.
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to produce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of their employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of their goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
Without them the problem we are having would be x20. We are slightly feeling the effects of some of the new work condition laws. And all that has to do with is providing shade and clean water..lol. Too much in society is riding on this work that most Americans will not do for the wages. It is a very necessary evil, that will only go away with reform. Not deportation or stiff penalties. Well maybe a mix of both, reform and penalties to those we cannot assimilate [Big Grin] . It is so easy to say deport them. But you guys will be the same weenies complaining about 8 bucks per pound for grapes. Agriculture is almost as big as the oil industry when it comes to effects on economy.

And I agree with Cummins as well. I popped back in because I thought he was gonna say something funny. But he said something factual. [worship]
[BS flag] yes with out illegals we will all sit at home on our lazy asses and starve instead of work for food [Roll Eyes] come on
 
Posted by RedBaron (Member # 4361) on :
 
You guys do realize that the "without these guys, we'll all starve and never get anything done" argument was the same argument that the south was using to keep slavery in place, don't you?

Matter of fact, the 'cotton gin' machine, and a lot of automated farming machinery came about to replace those pesky ol' missing slaves. And for that matter, a lot of the mexican work force in the U.S. agriculture business.

I'm pretty sure that us lazy fat Americans could do without a few cheesburgers, ya know? And I'm pretty sure an automated cheeseburger machine won't give me a worse looking burger, since the ones I usually get now look like someone was carrying it in their back pocket!
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to produce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of their employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of their goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
Without them the problem we are having would be x20. We are slightly feeling the effects of some of the new work condition laws. And all that has to do with is providing shade and clean water..lol. Too much in society is riding on this work that most Americans will not do for the wages. It is a very necessary evil, that will only go away with reform. Not deportation or stiff penalties. Well maybe a mix of both, reform and penalties to those we cannot assimilate [Big Grin] . It is so easy to say deport them. But you guys will be the same weenies complaining about 8 bucks per pound for grapes. Agriculture is almost as big as the oil industry when it comes to effects on economy.

And I agree with Cummins as well. I popped back in because I thought he was gonna say something funny. But he said something factual. [worship]
[BS flag] yes with out illegals we will all sit at home on our lazy asses and starve instead of work for food [Roll Eyes] come on
You will be hard pressed to find Americans to do what they do for minimum wage or less. I personally dont know one person that will do that. And jump at the chance to do it. If Americans did those jobs the turn over rate would be tremendous.
 
Posted by COBRAreflection (Member # 5247) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Saleen

You do realize that there are more than just Mexican immigrants right..lol. We are placing everything on the Mexicans because its common. There are, Cuban, Russians, Polish, Cambodian, Cuban....

But anyway. I do believe we should try reform. And stop blaming immigrants. They are but a subset of a bigger problem.
Hmmmm, I'm noticing that throughout the thread.

I've already expressed my stance on this issue. What I find a little disturbing is that alot of you folks emphasis is on Mexicans. You all realize there is a large number of other illegals of at least 10 other hispanic countries here in the Bay area! + Asians, Europeans, etc...

yeah, Mexicans are the majority of illegals here in the Bay area and L.A., but if you go to Miami or anywhere in the east coast, you will then see it's not only MEXICANS!
 
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
I'm Mexican and I find it very offensive!
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cummins:
I'm Mexican and I find it very offensive!
ZZZiiing....there is the cummins I expect...lol.
 
Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to produce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of their employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of their goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
Without them the problem we are having would be x20. We are slightly feeling the effects of some of the new work condition laws. And all that has to do with is providing shade and clean water..lol. Too much in society is riding on this work that most Americans will not do for the wages. It is a very necessary evil, that will only go away with reform. Not deportation or stiff penalties. Well maybe a mix of both, reform and penalties to those we cannot assimilate [Big Grin] . It is so easy to say deport them. But you guys will be the same weenies complaining about 8 bucks per pound for grapes. Agriculture is almost as big as the oil industry when it comes to effects on economy.

And I agree with Cummins as well. I popped back in because I thought he was gonna say something funny. But he said something factual. [worship]
[BS flag] yes with out illegals we will all sit at home on our lazy asses and starve instead of work for food [Roll Eyes] come on
You will be hard pressed to find Americans to do what they do for minimum wage or less. I personally dont know one person that will do that. And jump at the chance to do it. If Americans did those jobs the turn over rate would be tremendous.
I think you should take a cruise out to the small towns sometime. The people working in all the fastfood resturants around here are all white.
The only illegals up here are the ones sent by Mexico to grow marijuana in the National Forests.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to produce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of their employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of their goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
Without them the problem we are having would be x20. We are slightly feeling the effects of some of the new work condition laws. And all that has to do with is providing shade and clean water..lol. Too much in society is riding on this work that most Americans will not do for the wages. It is a very necessary evil, that will only go away with reform. Not deportation or stiff penalties. Well maybe a mix of both, reform and penalties to those we cannot assimilate [Big Grin] . It is so easy to say deport them. But you guys will be the same weenies complaining about 8 bucks per pound for grapes. Agriculture is almost as big as the oil industry when it comes to effects on economy.

And I agree with Cummins as well. I popped back in because I thought he was gonna say something funny. But he said something factual. [worship]
[BS flag] yes with out illegals we will all sit at home on our lazy asses and starve instead of work for food [Roll Eyes] come on
You will be hard pressed to find Americans to do what they do for minimum wage or less. I personally dont know one person that will do that. And jump at the chance to do it. If Americans did those jobs the turn over rate would be tremendous.
I think you should take a cruise out to the small towns sometime. The people working in all the fastfood resturants around here are all white.
The only illegals up here are the ones sent by Mexico to grow marijuana in the National Forests.
Not really referring to fast food joints. Normally those places are on the up and up and comply with the at least minimum wage/labor laws. I am talking about the grunt work at factories, cleaning office buildings, agricultural labor. You wont catch those white guys at McDonalds jumping at the chance to do that stuff for less than minimum wage and under the table and in less than desirable conditions. That's primarily what I am referring to.
 
Posted by sic5pointSLOW (Member # 4347) on :
 
[/qb][/QUOTE]I think you should take a cruise out to the small towns sometime. The people working in all the fastfood resturants around here are all white.
The only illegals up here are the ones sent by Mexico to grow marijuana in the National Forests. [/QB][/QUOTE]


[worship]
 
Posted by uncle bill (Member # 3953) on :
 
i hate getting into these debates, but please stop kidding yourselves. they are not only picking in the fields or working the fast food industry.they are working for every employer who is willing to break labor, tax and employment laws. alot of good paying construction jobs not just the small contractor picking up a day worker at home depot, but large corporations that are willing to overlook a forged social security card. my family came over from italy in 1915 they had to learn english to survive because everything in this country was writin in the UNOFFICIAL language ENGLISH. i wellcome all immagrants from all countries who want to come to this country LEGALLY to better themselves and learn the UNOFFICIAL language. the rest are putting their families at risk of being sepparated or deported thats the chance they take just like any other criminal who breaks the law. if you cant do the time-dont do the crime
 
Posted by Dave50 (Member # 5238) on :
 
The managers of those fast food joints make good money! I know a girl who makes 60k a year running a mcdonalds. The regional of just 4 was around a 100k. Any how I say we let everyone in and just resort to an economy and Gov't of Mexico? Remember people, its not the land that makes US the U.S. its all the people here. Put us as a whole in Mexico and all those in Mexico get our land and I guaruntee nothing changes.
 
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Ya know I almost hit the floor when I heard that there was as group of people that were trying to get schools to sing the national anthem in Mexican. I'm Spanish and I find it very offensive!
 
Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :
 


[ December 14, 2008, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: season'd 88 ]
 
Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 
hahahaha this shit is hella funny, its funny that these illegal immigrants cray about how bad they were treated, well all i have to say is screw then, they are illegal and have no rights. i hope they do some more raids... [Whoo Whooooo!]

ps. i'm an immigrant my self, and i'm all for immigrants coming to America, but do it legally!

THIS IS MY THOUGHTS ONLY AND I DON'T MEAN TO AFFEND ANYONE!
 
Posted by MustangNate (Member # 4559) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 92_chp:
I second that, Most people work hard. I know for a fact American Citizen will not work in the fields picking fruit and all that good stuff. [patriot] [/QUOTE]

You know that for a fact do you?
I suppose you don't know my grandfather whom is a LEGAL U.S. citizen that owns and farms his own orchards and has for the last 30 years.

I suppose you don't know ME, I farmed those orchards with him for 4 years. I will be returning to farm those orchards here in a few months.

I know dozens of LEGAL Americans that WILL do that work for that pay.

I know for a fact that you my friend, are ignorant. Before you take offence to that, go look at the definition of "ignorant" because I also know FOR A FACT, that you don't know what it's meaning really is.

That is all.
[patriot]
 
Posted by xvt's 85 5.0 (Member # 4765) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i think people who are saying kick out all illegal immigrants are really missing the big picture. as of right now ammerican coperations depend on cheap labor to produce goods. they find cheap labor here in the usa with illegal immigrants or by out sourcing to other countries. if we got rid off all illegal immigrants and we put us citizens in place of them. Those employers would pass on the higher cost of their employees on to us the consumer by raising the cost of their goods.

getting rid of all illegal immigrants would cuase a major depresion in our economy.

it wont be cool or patriotic to say "get rid off all illegals" when we are all broke.
you mean the major depression our economy is going through right now without the illegals being kicked out? Kicking out the illegals will make our economy go up at this point.
Without them the problem we are having would be x20. We are slightly feeling the effects of some of the new work condition laws. And all that has to do with is providing shade and clean water..lol. Too much in society is riding on this work that most Americans will not do for the wages. It is a very necessary evil, that will only go away with reform. Not deportation or stiff penalties. Well maybe a mix of both, reform and penalties to those we cannot assimilate [Big Grin] . It is so easy to say deport them. But you guys will be the same weenies complaining about 8 bucks per pound for grapes. Agriculture is almost as big as the oil industry when it comes to effects on economy.

And I agree with Cummins as well. I popped back in because I thought he was gonna say something funny. But he said something factual. [worship]
[BS flag] yes with out illegals we will all sit at home on our lazy asses and starve instead of work for food [Roll Eyes] come on
You will be hard pressed to find Americans to do what they do for minimum wage or less. I personally dont know one person that will do that. And jump at the chance to do it. If Americans did those jobs the turn over rate would be tremendous.
I think you should take a cruise out to the small towns sometime. The people working in all the fastfood resturants around here are all white.
The only illegals up here are the ones sent by Mexico to grow marijuana in the National Forests.
so if you see a hispanic around your "small town" you assume he's mexican and then go to assume he's "sent by Mexico" to grow marijuana? you know you're very smart there!
 
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NavidR:
hahahaha this shit is hella funny, its funny that these illegal immigrants cray about how bad they were treated, well all i have to say is screw then, they are illegal and have no rights. i hope they do some more raids... [Whoo Whooooo!]

ps. i'm an immigrant my self, and i'm all for immigrants coming to America, but do it legally!

THIS IS MY THOUGHTS ONLY AND I DON'T MEAN TO AFFEND ANYONE!
It took my mom years of waiting to get allowed to move here from the Phillipines, and another 6 or so years to become a citizen while these fuckers bypass the rules and just walk or swim their wetback asses over here with their kids and families. If you are illegal you are a burden to all us citizens, you dont pay taxes, you dont do anything but cost us. You run into our cars with no insurance and leave us with the bill. Stop trying and succeeding at getting into our country the WRONG way, and either do it the right way or try working at getting your own country better. Yes you illegal have no honor to our country your country or yourself. I'd love to have the chance to watch my workplace raid you at work, and I'd be the first one to applause!
 
Posted by MustangNate (Member # 4559) on :
 
Something I don't understand is you see all these illegal immigrants that have so much pride for their country and such.

I'm just curious, if you have so much pride for your country. Why don't you stay there and do something to make it better instead of fucking up my country?
 
Posted by mustang928 (Member # 2123) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yaterstang:
quote:
Originally posted by NavidR:
hahahaha this shit is hella funny, its funny that these illegal immigrants cray about how bad they were treated, well all i have to say is screw then, they are illegal and have no rights. i hope they do some more raids... [Whoo Whooooo!]

ps. i'm an immigrant my self, and i'm all for immigrants coming to America, but do it legally!

THIS IS MY THOUGHTS ONLY AND I DON'T MEAN TO AFFEND ANYONE!
It took my mom years of waiting to get allowed to move here from the Phillipines, and another 6 or so years to become a citizen while these fuckers bypass the rules and just walk or swim their wetback asses over here with their kids and families. If you are illegal you are a burden to all us citizens, you dont pay taxes, you dont do anything but cost us. You run into our cars with no insurance and leave us with the bill. Stop trying and succeeding at getting into our country the WRONG way, and either do it the right way or try working at getting your own country better. Yes you illegal have no honor to our country your country or yourself. I'd love to have the chance to watch my workplace raid you at work, and I'd be the first one to applause!
My father, mother, grandpa and grandma were here illegal and all of them payed their taxes. My dad was just able to retire at 59yr old because he paid his taxes. My uncle who is currently illegal is still paying his taxes. So please stop with the they don't pay taxes crap.
 
Posted by mustang928 (Member # 2123) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MustangNate:
Something I don't understand is you see all these illegal immigrants that have so much pride for their country and such.

I'm just curious, if you have so much pride for your country. Why don't you stay there and do something to make it better instead of fucking up my country?
Your country...LOL. We are just taking it back, you people have had it long enough.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MustangNate:
Something I don't understand is you see all these illegal immigrants that have so much pride for their country and such.

I'm just curious, if you have so much pride for your country. Why don't you stay there and do something to make it better instead of fucking up my country?
Come on man, thats a no brainer. I personally have sooo much pride in New Orleans (9th ward to be exact) so much in fact that I have it tattooed on me hella big (prayers go out to them matter of fact Gustav may take NO off the map). But I do recognize where the better opportunity and resources are at. Granted I moved from state to state. But I do not think there is a difference from country to country. There is just more resources and opportunity here. Not saying they aren't proud of their heritage or home land. Nothing wrong with being smart.
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
you do know that New Orleans is in this Country right?.....lol
 
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Hey N8 please tell me what these stupid MFers are doing standing there?

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[ September 01, 2008, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: cummins ]
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
you do know that New Orleans is in this Country right?.....lol
Yes, read a few sentences into my statement. I compared moving country to country to moving state to state. Because actually I got teased like there was no tomorrow for bringing my country ass to cali. This was way before it was cool to be from the south.

Cummins man, I dunno. Believe it or not. I talked to a few cousins that werent leaving. Go figure.

[ September 01, 2008, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Ya man I don't know what's up with those foos standing by the wall. Fuck that I'd be outta there! I lived in the south for a long time so I can throw on that thick country accent in a split second. Hell I used to hang out at Shoe Strangs and the local people actually thought it was spelled strangs and not strings LOL! They had live chickens running around the floor and it was kinda weird eating a chicken sandwich and looking at chickens running around. Grits, chitlins, pecan pie and sweet ice tea...I miss that shit!
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
N8 I saw that I was just having fun .
 




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