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Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on :
 
I just got my coupe back from Shaun and Drew at AED and I'm really happy with the work they both did. They gave good advice on the parts I should buy and did clean work on my car. My 140K bottom end H/C/I 302 made 321rwhp/339rwtq
 

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Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
what mods?
 

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Posted by opie (Member # 7693) on :
 
Nice torque!
 

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 
Hey Tim, Glad that you are happy with our work. Your car is one of the cleanest Fox Body cars I have ever seen.

[ June 26, 2007, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: Yellow94GT ]
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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what mods?

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
I just got my coupe back from Shaun and Drew at AED and I'm really happy with the work they both did. They gave good advice on the parts I should buy and did clean work on my car. My 140K bottom end H/C/I 302 made 321rwhp/339rwtq

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Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on :
 
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.
 

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Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :
 

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AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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pm me price paid please...
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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pm me price paid please...

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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you're probably going to be about 20- 25 less HP. knowing Sean, he designed the cam setup and that's what made it make the power it did

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no neccessaraly, my car alone stock, has those 20-25 hp more than a stock fox( i have bigger injectors, better intake, 1.7 rockers stock, and im probably forgetting some stuff) so keep that in mind

i dynoed at 250rwhp, 291rwtq with just the e cam.......musta taken quite a bit of stuff to get to that 320rwhp mark in his 5.0.......with those heads on my car i will be damn near 300 or at 300rwhp.........plus im gettin a full port job and most likely take it to shuan to get it tuned......so i figure thats my 320+rwhp/320+rwtq with and AED tune

[ June 26, 2007, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: F8LSN8K ]
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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those guys know these motors..

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ya i know they do.....thats why i have faith in makin the same power with them tunning my car
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
I'd say your E cam will hold you back from making good power
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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I'd say your E cam will hold you back from making good power

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ya true, i know its not the biggest and best cam, and i know i can make like 10-20rwhp with a custom cam, but my e cam is smog legal, my heads will be smog legal, and so on......im trying to stay smog legal but still be pretty quick
 

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Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :
 

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AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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you're probably going to be about 20- 25 less HP. knowing Sean, he designed the cam setup and that's what made it make the power it did

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no neccessaraly, my car alone stock, has those 20-25 hp more than a stock fox( i have bigger injectors, better intake, 1.7 rockers stock, and im probably forgetting some stuff) so keep that in mind

i dynoed at 250rwhp, 291rwtq with just the e cam.......musta taken quite a bit of stuff to get to that 320rwhp mark in his 5.0.......with those heads on my car i will be damn near 300 or at 300rwhp.........plus im gettin a full port job and most likely take it to shuan to get it tuned......so i figure thats my 320+rwhp/320+rwtq with and AED tune

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might wanna take this time to renew your magazine subscription there hoss. why dont you go ahead and ask shaun about making power with those 1.7s and "bigger injectors" haha
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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you're probably going to be about 20- 25 less HP. knowing Sean, he designed the cam setup and that's what made it make the power it did

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no neccessaraly, my car alone stock, has those 20-25 hp more than a stock fox( i have bigger injectors, better intake, 1.7 rockers stock, and im probably forgetting some stuff) so keep that in mind

i dynoed at 250rwhp, 291rwtq with just the e cam.......musta taken quite a bit of stuff to get to that 320rwhp mark in his 5.0.......with those heads on my car i will be damn near 300 or at 300rwhp.........plus im gettin a full port job and most likely take it to shuan to get it tuned......so i figure thats my 320+rwhp/320+rwtq with and AED tune

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might wanna take this time to renew your magazine subscription there hoss. why dont you go ahead and ask shaun about making power with those 1.7s and "bigger injectors" haha

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u dont really know how to read do u???
 

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Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on :
 

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Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
If this was the white Notch? Yes one of the most cleanest Foxbodies to ever roam the streets. absolute beauty of a car. If you ever sell it please let Drew know there so he can tell me and about 10 other guys first.

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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those guys know these motors..

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ya i know they do.....thats why i have faith in makin the same power with them tunning my car

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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those guys know these motors..

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ya i know they do.....thats why i have faith in makin the same power with them tunning my car

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tuning your car is going to be pretty simple...I'm sure Shaun will even tell you wont get much off a tune...especially on an N/A stockblock..

but either way...good luck to you, I hope you do make that power...it will be pretty impressive...

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ya true, pretty much just messin with the timing i guess......

oh and thanks
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
It can be amazing what a 5.0 can put down when properly put together.


Definately a pleasure working with you/on your car.
 

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Posted by Hungry Hippo (Member # 537) on :
 

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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you're probably going to be about 20- 25 less HP. knowing Sean, he designed the cam setup and that's what made it make the power it did

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no neccessaraly, my car alone stock, has those 20-25 hp more than a stock fox( i have bigger injectors, better intake, 1.7 rockers stock, and im probably forgetting some stuff) so keep that in mind

i dynoed at 250rwhp, 291rwtq with just the e cam.......musta taken quite a bit of stuff to get to that 320rwhp mark in his 5.0.......with those heads on my car i will be damn near 300 or at 300rwhp.........plus im gettin a full port job and most likely take it to shuan to get it tuned......so i figure thats my 320+rwhp/320+rwtq with and AED tune

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might wanna take this time to renew your magazine subscription there hoss. why dont you go ahead and ask shaun about making power with those 1.7s and "bigger injectors" haha

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70rwhp going from gt40's to afr's
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR 165/custom cam/performer intake and all the supporting mods.

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hoping to make about the same power with the same heads, but i have an e cam, and cobra intake.....so we'll see what happens

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you're probably going to be about 20- 25 less HP. knowing Sean, he designed the cam setup and that's what made it make the power it did

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no neccessaraly, my car alone stock, has those 20-25 hp more than a stock fox( i have bigger injectors, better intake, 1.7 rockers stock, and im probably forgetting some stuff) so keep that in mind

i dynoed at 250rwhp, 291rwtq with just the e cam.......musta taken quite a bit of stuff to get to that 320rwhp mark in his 5.0.......with those heads on my car i will be damn near 300 or at 300rwhp.........plus im gettin a full port job and most likely take it to shuan to get it tuned......so i figure thats my 320+rwhp/320+rwtq with and AED tune

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might wanna take this time to renew your magazine subscription there hoss. why dont you go ahead and ask shaun about making power with those 1.7s and "bigger injectors" haha

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70rwhp going from gt40's to afr's

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does that mean u agree with me and disagree with phil a????
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
To make good power you need good quality parts....along with proper installation.

1.72 'Cobra' rockers are poor quality crane rockers. I've had a few of them fail when used with heavy valvesprings & aggressive camshafts.

The E cam is not the best camshaft available that'll pass smog.

A stock Cobra intake manifold is VERY restrictive. Fully porting the lower only gets you half way. Having the upper cut apart, fully ported, & shortening the runners is expensive (I'm working on one now & can post some pics). & in the end at best it'll be equivilent to an Edelbrock Performer. For N/A power, the Cobra is a poor choice.

However, in the end you can still make good power with a Cobra intake if you choose your parts correctly & know the limitations of the Intake. Here's an example of a 'nicely done' 93 Cobra motor with AFR's:
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/

One thing to remember, HP = (TQ/5252)*RPM
In other words, if your motor peaks before ~5900-6000rpm you will make more TQ than HP. If the motor peaks above 6000rpm you will make more HP than TQ.

A Cobra intake manifold will make it extremely difficult to pull the RPM needed to make 320/320. & in order to make 320HP with a Cobra intake on a 302 you'd need roughly 360RWTQ. Haven't seen that done yet on a stock bottom end. The most I've seen is 340RWTQ....which will net you just over 300RWHP with the restrictive Cobra intake.
Swapping to an RPM intake & larger camshaft will raise the RPM & you'd be exchanging low-end TQ for high RPM HP.

Also note: There are no shorty headers that can 'swallow' the wide AFR exhaust port. Port-matching of the header flange will be neccessary.
 

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Posted by jordan_0806 (Member # 5888) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
To make good power you need good quality parts....along with proper installation.

1.72 'Cobra' rockers are poor quality crane rockers. I've had a few of them fail when used with heavy valvesprings & aggressive camshafts.

The E cam is not the best camshaft available that'll pass smog.

A stock Cobra intake manifold is VERY restrictive. Fully porting the lower only gets you half way. Having the upper cut apart, fully ported, & shortening the runners is expensive (I'm working on one now & can post some pics). & in the end at best it'll be equivilent to an Edelbrock Performer. For N/A power, the Cobra is a poor choice.

However, in the end you can still make good power with a Cobra intake if you choose your parts correctly & know the limitations of the Intake. Here's an example of a 'nicely done' 93 Cobra motor with AFR's:
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/

One thing to remember, HP = (TQ/5252)*RPM
In other words, if your motor peaks before ~5900-6000rpm you will make more TQ than HP. If the motor peaks above 6000rpm you will make more HP than TQ.

A Cobra intake manifold will make it extremely difficult to pull the RPM needed to make 320/320. & in order to make 320HP with a Cobra intake on a 302 you'd need roughly 360RWTQ. Haven't seen that done yet on a stock bottom end. The most I've seen is 340RWTQ....which will net you just over 300RWHP with the restrictive Cobra intake.
Swapping to an RPM intake & larger camshaft will raise the RPM & you'd be exchanging low-end TQ for high RPM HP.

Also note: There are no shorty headers that can 'swallow' the wide AFR exhaust port. Port-matching of the header flange will be neccessary.

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
To make good power you need good quality parts....along with proper installation.

1.72 'Cobra' rockers are poor quality crane rockers. I've had a few of them fail when used with heavy valvesprings & aggressive camshafts.

The E cam is not the best camshaft available that'll pass smog.

A stock Cobra intake manifold is VERY restrictive. Fully porting the lower only gets you half way. Having the upper cut apart, fully ported, & shortening the runners is expensive (I'm working on one now & can post some pics). & in the end at best it'll be equivilent to an Edelbrock Performer. For N/A power, the Cobra is a poor choice.

However, in the end you can still make good power with a Cobra intake if you choose your parts correctly & know the limitations of the Intake. Here's an example of a 'nicely done' 93 Cobra motor with AFR's:
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/

One thing to remember, HP = (TQ/5252)*RPM
In other words, if your motor peaks before ~5900-6000rpm you will make more TQ than HP. If the motor peaks above 6000rpm you will make more HP than TQ.

A Cobra intake manifold will make it extremely difficult to pull the RPM needed to make 320/320. & in order to make 320HP with a Cobra intake on a 302 you'd need roughly 360RWTQ. Haven't seen that done yet on a stock bottom end. The most I've seen is 340RWTQ....which will net you just over 300RWHP with the restrictive Cobra intake.
Swapping to an RPM intake & larger camshaft will raise the RPM & you'd be exchanging low-end TQ for high RPM HP.

Also note: There are no shorty headers that can 'swallow' the wide AFR exhaust port. Port-matching of the header flange will be neccessary.

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welp, what is a better "smog legal cam" that i can get and what intake u reccomend with those heads?
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
A performer Intake is worth ~15-20hp over a Cobra with very little loss in TQ....if any. An RPM 1 intake is worth ~10-15HP over a performer with a loss of about the same in low end TQ.

I'd use an RPM 1 intake (no longer available new) with Competition AFR165 heads, 7/16th stud mount.
Comp cams Pro-Magnum rockers (1.6 or 1.7 depending on cam)
Either leave the E & use 1.7 rockers, or swap out to an X with 1.6 rockers.
Quality 9-keyway adjustable timing chain
Ideally a custom smogable cam would make the most power, but that would require Stiffer valvesprings (NOT upgraded AFR stuff) & Titanium retainers.
1 3/4" Longtubes (with ported primary flanges to match the heads) & 2.5" off-road exhaust.

If you want to stick with a more mild camshaft, you can off-set the power difference with the following:
Electric water pump
Crankshaft scraper
Race Underdrive crankshaft pulley with an overdrive Alternator pulley.

Or, you can do all of the above & get the most out of the combo.

The most power I've seen out of shorty headers (with off-road exhaust) is 314RWHP....& that motor had a large non-smogable camshaft (.600 lift) & notched pistons. Still ran an 11.99 @114.5mph though...

The question really is, do you want more low-end or top-end?
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 
all i really want is to run 12's at the track, and spank some ls1's on the street.....it dont really matter to me about the power as long as i can run the 12's and smoke some maros

do i really need all that of what u posted to achieve my above goals?

can it be done with my

-94 cobra(full weight)
-stock ported intake
-ported shorties(cuz i want smog legal)
-165 afr's(smog legal)
-stock rockers
-h pipe no cats
-one chmber flows
-3:73 gears

cant be buying and installin all kinds of shit cuz i dont really have all that much money cuz i cant work, so im trying to make the best of what i got man
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
all i really want is to run 12's at the track, and spank some ls1's on the street.....it dont really matter to me about the power as long as i can run the 12's and smoke some maros

do i really need all that of what u posted to achieve my above goals?

can it be done with my

-94 cobra(full weight)
-stock ported intake
-ported shorties(cuz i want smog legal)
-165 afr's(smog legal)
-stock rockers
-h pipe no cats
-one chmber flows
-3:73 gears

cant be buying and installin all kinds of shit cuz i dont really have all that much money cuz i cant work, so im trying to make the best of what i got man

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so basically with what i want to get done (afr's, port matchin and shorties) would or should do the job for me? i know for a fact that it will be at least 300rwhp

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dont put your hopes up there.... alot of people have done HCI on there car and there hopes where 300 RWHP and got very dissapointed with 270-280..... just a lil thought of dont get bumbed out if it happens
 

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Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on :
 
i was like that a long time ago... i remmeber i did a CAI, TB and EGR spacer lol i was thinking i was going to make atleast 250... i was 16 didnt know much.... i got the car dynoed and got 210 rwhp and i was pissed i wanted to sell my car and shit... just wanted to share
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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so basically with what i want to get done (afr's, port matchin and shorties) would or should do the job for me? i know for a fact that it will be at least 300rwhp

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dont put your hopes up there.... alot of people have done HCI on there car and there hopes where 300 RWHP and got very dissapointed with 270-280..... just a lil thought of dont get bumbed out if it happens

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im sure it wont happen.....i have 250 right now.......alone the heads will give me 50 more hp (at least)

[ June 27, 2007, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: F8LSN8K ]
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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i was like that a long time ago... i remmeber i did a CAI, TB and EGR spacer lol i was thinking i was going to make atleast 250... i was 16 didnt know much.... i got the car dynoed and got 210 rwhp and i was pissed i wanted to sell my car and shit... just wanted to share

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i have 250 right now.......alone the heads will give me 50 more hp (at least) [/QB]

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sign me up!

Shaun - 314rwhp through shorties? mine put down 352 through shorties for a few weeks, remember?
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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i have 250 right now.......alone the heads will give me 50 more hp (at least)

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sign me up!

Shaun - 314rwhp through shorties? mine put down 352 through shorties for a few weeks, remember? [/QB]

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That's right! Forgot about that....although it wasn't exactly a 'stock' bottom end.
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 
shuan, have u ever done anything similiar to what i want to do in a car like mine?
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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The most power I've seen out of shorty headers (with off-road exhaust) is 314RWHP....& that motor had a large non-smogable camshaft (.600 lift) & notched pistons. Still ran an 11.99 @114.5mph though...

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I'd use an RPM 1 intake (no longer available new) with Competition AFR165 heads, 7/16th stud mount. (or 185's)
Comp cams Pro-Magnum 1.6 rockers
Quality 9-keyway adjustable timing chain
Custom smogable cam
Upgrade to Comp 977 valvesprings with TI retainers
1 3/4" Longtubes (with ported primary flanges to match the heads) & 2.5" off-road exhaust.
Crankshaft scraper
Electric water pump
Race underdrive pullies

That's what I'd do....if not an even bigger camshaft.
Shorty headers can be used but they will reduce power.

The 314/321 Rear Wheel combo was in my wife's 91GT when it had a stock bottom end. Raceweight at that time was around 3300lbs. It was a rockin' little combo.
Ran that time ONCE on a cold day (perfect conditions) with slicks & a 1.70 60ft.

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Yes, she had 3.73's with stock axles/track lock. Every rear end is different....some stockers cut 1.5's & don't break, others break with DR's &1.8-1.9 60fts.

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