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Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on :
 
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/68de9879-aa45-4495-8586-98d6008b710a.htm


Yah its an import
 

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Posted by svt306snake (Member # 1967) on :
 
thats why i love my vortechs
 

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Posted by Pittsburg Mustang Owner (Member # 6100) on :
 
lol but damn when the boost did kick in...wow.

I need a drive in a Big turbo ride cuz i never felt it before.
 

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Posted by TURBOGT (Member # 234) on :
 
Anybody see his afr in that video? He was around 12.2-12.5 while in boost. Seems pretty dangerous to me. Badass car though!!
 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
Damn that boost kicks in at high ass rpm's only.... That Supra is slow with no boost once the boost kicks in pulls like a motha!!!!
 

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Posted by allmotor65stang (Member # 6668) on :
 
30+ psi or what..no balls with no boost
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Old news! That car ran 8.9s a year ago and it dynos at 1250 hp. 12.2-12.4 afr is fine for the gas he's using. Boost for that set up comes in over 6k rpms and that's more than most of you redline! 30 psi? Try 44!
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
And BTW it ran that 8.9 at 157 through the stock factory manual transmission. Yes completely stock!
 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
"stock factory manual transmission. Yes completely stock!"

Horse $H!T....
 

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Posted by J24I (Member # 2598) on :
 
saw this video the other week on the supraforums..theres another in car video they posted on there, let me find the link
 

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Posted by J24I (Member # 2598) on :
 
Found it..same car but different highway pulls..gets very interesting around 1:40, fighting for traction under boost..
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO:
"stock factory manual transmission. Yes completely stock!"

Horse $H!T....

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Originally posted by allmotor65stang:
30+ psi or what..no balls with no boost

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Originally posted by cummins:
well of course supras lack tq down low they are only 180 cubic inches and weigh over 3600 lbs stock. Who's car did you drive? I know just about all the single turbo supras in the bay. 6 speeds aren't clunky from the factory its the aftermarket clutches that chatter. Other then that they are smooth. You should ditch that saleen and go with a supra they are nicer cars all the way around. You'll notice a much better build quality right away.

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The tranny makes the noise as this is the second six speed I have driven. My brother Mark had a 93tt that he single turboed but it was stolen and it caught on fire(methanol kit}. It was silver and and shown below. Now he has a 93tt six speed that has a single t87. And in reality the build quality should be superior for what they cost brand new. But most Supras now, since most are at least 9-14 years old, show their age ie. seats, interior, shocks. Yet they are still going for $16K+. Can't beat having a solid block and tranny straight from the factory though.


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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Did your brother have an auto before? If its the same guy I think he had a smaller single turbo something like a gt35r. It may or may not be the same guy but the Mark I knew lived in Fremont too and drove a silver single supra. If you have ever driven a completely stock 6 speed you'll notice that it makes NO noise. No chatter. No nothing. And they are smooth as silk. Maybe the ones you drove were worn out from people grinding gears.

Most of the supra owners I know take care of their cars and they don't show their age. Maybe the ones you know of are ghetto but all the peeps I know treat them like gold. Also, for around 16k you won't find a nice low mileage supra especially a 6 speed. Try 25k for a 6 speed and 22k for an auto.
 

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Posted by SEMPERFI510 (Member # 627) on :
 

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Originally posted by cummins:
Did your brother have an auto before? If its the same guy I think he had a smaller single turbo something like a gt35r. It may or may not be the same guy but the Mark I knew lived in Fremont too and drove a silver single supra. If you have ever driven a completely stock 6 speed you'll notice that it makes NO noise. No chatter. No nothing. And they are smooth as silk. Maybe the ones you drove were worn out from people grinding gears.

Most of the supra owners I know take care of their cars and they don't show their age. Maybe the ones you know of are ghetto but all the peeps I know treat them like gold. Also, for around 16k you won't find a nice low mileage supra especially a 6 speed. Try 25k for a 6 speed and 22k for an auto.

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Yes it was auto and he had a relatively small single on it. He has gone through many Supras and that was the only one he kept. And yes a low mileage will go for a pretty penny but you can find a high mileage auto for about 16-18k. Never drove any ghetto Supras and most have been in good shape. My bro made the same comment about the six speeds he has driven. A tranny that is going to hold that much power will be a bit clunky. The six speed cars I drove were like new and had low mileage with stock twins. Believe me I know about Supras as my brother is infatuated with them and has had a couple of them come through the house that I've helped wrench on. Not bagging on the car at all but just my observations on the cars I have driven. I am not biased either, I love all fast cars imports, european and american.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Yep I knew it was your brother. I know just about all the supra peeps in the bay. Your bro also sold me a FUCKED up converter! He said it was a barely used less than $500 miles and good condition Supra SP level 10 converter with a 4k stall. Well I bought it for $600 and threw it into my car. That conveter was FUCKED it would stall to any rpm and the car would barely move at all. I sent it back to SP and when they opened it they discovered that it was blown up! All the fins were bent and clutches fried. They also told me it was a non lock up converter specifically made NOT for a supra it was for a sand rail and that's why it didn't have any lock up provisions! They pulled off the serial numbers off it and crossed reference it with their order sheets just to make sure. And yep this was the case! It also was NOT a level 10 converter. So I told your bro this and he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Well I don't know anything about it I bought it like that." He didn't offer any refund or any help.

Luckily I'm in good with SP and their conveter company Midwest. So I shipped it back ($40) and had it rebuilt to level 10 supra specs which cost me $300. They sold it for $1200 while giving me back what I had into it ($950). So all in all I broke even but wasted a lot of time and had to r&r the trans. Since time is money I guess I took it in the ass a little on that one. And your bro just didn't even care. He misrepresented the product and didn't back any of his words up. I even pm'd him a million times on supra forums but didn't answer any of my pm's. And a little while later he was banned from supra forums and I had no other way of getting a hold of him.

So as far as your bro goes....he's a SHADY character to deal with. And I know a lot of the other supra peeps don't like him either after they dealt with him.

Anyway, to do a supra right you gotta spend the $$$. Its a rich person's toy if you go high hp. I see all these single supras just hacked but people still think its da bomb. They think big turbo = fast but they forget about all the other stuff. If you're going to do a supra do it right or don't do it at all. That's my motto. Hack a domestic like a mustang they aren't worth much anyway.

If you want to see ghetto supras go to LA they are about 85% ghetto there. Its sad to see!
 

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Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on :
 

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Originally posted by cummins:
Yep I knew it was your brother. I know just about all the supra peeps in the bay. Your bro also sold me a FUCKED up converter! He said it was a barely used less than $500 miles and good condition Supra SP level 10 converter with a 4k stall. Well I bought it for $600 and threw it into my car. That conveter was FUCKED it would stall to any rpm and the car would barely move at all. I sent it back to SP and when they opened it they discovered that it was blown up! All the fins were bent and clutches fried. They also told me it was a non lock up converter specifically made NOT for a supra it was for a sand rail and that's why it didn't have any lock up provisions! They pulled off the serial numbers off it and crossed reference it with their order sheets just to make sure. And yep this was the case! It also was NOT a level 10 converter. So I told your bro this and he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Well I don't know anything about it I bought it like that." He didn't offer any refund or any help.

Luckily I'm in good with SP and their conveter company Midwest. So I shipped it back ($40) and had it rebuilt to level 10 supra specs which cost me $300. They sold it for $1200 while giving me back what I had into it ($950). So all in all I broke even but wasted a lot of time and had to r&r the trans. Since time is money I guess I took it in the ass a little on that one. And your bro just didn't even care. He misrepresented the product and didn't back any of his words up. I even pm'd him a million times on supra forums but didn't answer any of my pm's. And a little while later he was banned from supra forums and I had no other way of getting a hold of him.

So as far as your bro goes....he's a SHADY character to deal with. And I know a lot of the other supra peeps don't like him either after they dealt with him.

Anyway, to do a supra right you gotta spend the $$$. Its a rich person's toy if you go high hp. I see all these single supras just hacked but people still think its da bomb. They think big turbo = fast but they forget about all the other stuff. If you're going to do a supra do it right or don't do it at all. That's my motto. Hack a domestic like a mustang they aren't worth much anyway.

If you want to see ghetto supras go to LA they are about 85% ghetto there. Its sad to see!

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Originally posted by cummins:
Yep I knew it was your brother. I know just about all the supra peeps in the bay. Your bro also sold me a FUCKED up converter! He said it was a barely used less than $500 miles and good condition Supra SP level 10 converter with a 4k stall. Well I bought it for $600 and threw it into my car. That conveter was FUCKED it would stall to any rpm and the car would barely move at all. I sent it back to SP and when they opened it they discovered that it was blown up! All the fins were bent and clutches fried. They also told me it was a non lock up converter specifically made NOT for a supra it was for a sand rail and that's why it didn't have any lock up provisions! They pulled off the serial numbers off it and crossed reference it with their order sheets just to make sure. And yep this was the case! It also was NOT a level 10 converter. So I told your bro this and he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Well I don't know anything about it I bought it like that." He didn't offer any refund or any help.

Luckily I'm in good with SP and their conveter company Midwest. So I shipped it back ($40) and had it rebuilt to level 10 supra specs which cost me $300. They sold it for $1200 while giving me back what I had into it ($950). So all in all I broke even but wasted a lot of time and had to r&r the trans. Since time is money I guess I took it in the ass a little on that one. And your bro just didn't even care. He misrepresented the product and didn't back any of his words up. I even pm'd him a million times on supra forums but didn't answer any of my pm's. And a little while later he was banned from supra forums and I had no other way of getting a hold of him.

So as far as your bro goes....he's a SHADY character to deal with. And I know a lot of the other supra peeps don't like him either after they dealt with him.

Anyway, to do a supra right you gotta spend the $$$. Its a rich person's toy if you go high hp. I see all these single supras just hacked but people still think its da bomb. They think big turbo = fast but they forget about all the other stuff. If you're going to do a supra do it right or don't do it at all. That's my motto. Hack a domestic like a mustang they aren't worth much anyway.

If you want to see ghetto supras go to LA they are about 85% ghetto there. Its sad to see!

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Hmm thats weird I remember him selling that converter but I also remember him having no problems with it when it was on his car. There are no gurantees when you buy on the net and as far as he knew it worked fine. He knows a lot of local guys that are Supra owners that seem to be fine with him. I doubt he was being shady to you. As far as Supra's go many are pieced together and some are really nice. It just depends how deep your pockets are.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by SEMPERFI510:

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Originally posted by cummins:
Yep I knew it was your brother. I know just about all the supra peeps in the bay. Your bro also sold me a FUCKED up converter! He said it was a barely used less than $500 miles and good condition Supra SP level 10 converter with a 4k stall. Well I bought it for $600 and threw it into my car. That conveter was FUCKED it would stall to any rpm and the car would barely move at all. I sent it back to SP and when they opened it they discovered that it was blown up! All the fins were bent and clutches fried. They also told me it was a non lock up converter specifically made NOT for a supra it was for a sand rail and that's why it didn't have any lock up provisions! They pulled off the serial numbers off it and crossed reference it with their order sheets just to make sure. And yep this was the case! It also was NOT a level 10 converter. So I told your bro this and he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Well I don't know anything about it I bought it like that." He didn't offer any refund or any help.

Luckily I'm in good with SP and their conveter company Midwest. So I shipped it back ($40) and had it rebuilt to level 10 supra specs which cost me $300. They sold it for $1200 while giving me back what I had into it ($950). So all in all I broke even but wasted a lot of time and had to r&r the trans. Since time is money I guess I took it in the ass a little on that one. And your bro just didn't even care. He misrepresented the product and didn't back any of his words up. I even pm'd him a million times on supra forums but didn't answer any of my pm's. And a little while later he was banned from supra forums and I had no other way of getting a hold of him.

So as far as your bro goes....he's a SHADY character to deal with. And I know a lot of the other supra peeps don't like him either after they dealt with him.

Anyway, to do a supra right you gotta spend the $$$. Its a rich person's toy if you go high hp. I see all these single supras just hacked but people still think its da bomb. They think big turbo = fast but they forget about all the other stuff. If you're going to do a supra do it right or don't do it at all. That's my motto. Hack a domestic like a mustang they aren't worth much anyway.

If you want to see ghetto supras go to LA they are about 85% ghetto there. Its sad to see!

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Hmm thats weird I remember him selling that converter but I also remember him having no problems with it when it was on his car. There are no gurantees when you buy on the net and as far as he knew it worked fine. He knows a lot of local guys that are Supra owners that seem to be fine with him. I doubt he was being shady to you. As far as Supra's go many are pieced together and some are really nice. It just depends how deep your pockets are.

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Originally posted by SEMPERFI510:

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Originally posted by cummins:
Yep I knew it was your brother. I know just about all the supra peeps in the bay. Your bro also sold me a FUCKED up converter! He said it was a barely used less than $500 miles and good condition Supra SP level 10 converter with a 4k stall. Well I bought it for $600 and threw it into my car. That conveter was FUCKED it would stall to any rpm and the car would barely move at all. I sent it back to SP and when they opened it they discovered that it was blown up! All the fins were bent and clutches fried. They also told me it was a non lock up converter specifically made NOT for a supra it was for a sand rail and that's why it didn't have any lock up provisions! They pulled off the serial numbers off it and crossed reference it with their order sheets just to make sure. And yep this was the case! It also was NOT a level 10 converter. So I told your bro this and he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Well I don't know anything about it I bought it like that." He didn't offer any refund or any help.

Luckily I'm in good with SP and their conveter company Midwest. So I shipped it back ($40) and had it rebuilt to level 10 supra specs which cost me $300. They sold it for $1200 while giving me back what I had into it ($950). So all in all I broke even but wasted a lot of time and had to r&r the trans. Since time is money I guess I took it in the ass a little on that one. And your bro just didn't even care. He misrepresented the product and didn't back any of his words up. I even pm'd him a million times on supra forums but didn't answer any of my pm's. And a little while later he was banned from supra forums and I had no other way of getting a hold of him.

So as far as your bro goes....he's a SHADY character to deal with. And I know a lot of the other supra peeps don't like him either after they dealt with him.

Anyway, to do a supra right you gotta spend the $$$. Its a rich person's toy if you go high hp. I see all these single supras just hacked but people still think its da bomb. They think big turbo = fast but they forget about all the other stuff. If you're going to do a supra do it right or don't do it at all. That's my motto. Hack a domestic like a mustang they aren't worth much anyway.

If you want to see ghetto supras go to LA they are about 85% ghetto there. Its sad to see!

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Hmm thats weird I remember him selling that converter but I also remember him having no problems with it when it was on his car. There are no gurantees when you buy on the net and as far as he knew it worked fine. He knows a lot of local guys that are Supra owners that seem to be fine with him. I doubt he was being shady to you. As far as Supra's go many are pieced together and some are really nice. It just depends how deep your pockets are.

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Sorry bud but that's complete bullshit. He said it worked fine and had only 500 miles on it. He said it was a level 10 sp converter for a supra. All of this it was NOT. Its not buyer beware on supraforums us in the supra community take care of each other and we represent things correctly and we make things right when things go wrong. We don't fuck around this is not playschool. As far as your brother with this converter, I asked him during that 1 time I actually got a hold of him and he said that he did NOT run the conveter! He just bought it and sold it. So this must be a different converter than you are talking about. Or who knows maybe not.

He didn't even attempt to make things right so he's shady. No if ands or butts around it. He's the seller, he misrepresented the converter, so it should be his responsiblity to take care of his own wrong doings. I was willing to work with him but after I got some run around bullshit shoulder shrug I just called SP and they worked with me. So what does that tell you! I don't care if he's your brother you are obviously sticking up for him with this "no guarantee" bullshit. He may be your brother and he may be a decent person to some people but he's a fuck up of a seller!

In case you don't get it here's an example for you. Lets say I post up that I have a barely used coan racing turbo 400 transmission extreme performance transmission for sale and say that its in great working order. Then you buy it, install it and find out the clutches are fried and the gears and broke. How would you feel? I bet you call me for your money back!

And believe me I know much supras can cost. I've bought and sold a ton of them from stock to highly modded. And there is no other street supra in cali that can touch me in the 1/4 mile so I know how much it costs to build one like this, especially since I did it from stock.

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Originally posted by cummins:
You must have a comprehension problem. When in my posts have I "came at you crazy?" I'm talking about your brother and I never said one word about you!!! And I never came at anyone crazy all I did was take care of this fucked up converter by myself! As soon as your bro wasn't going to do anything about selling me that junk I just resolved it on my own and didn't talk to him anymore. And I just voiced how I think your brother is a fucked up seller. So how is that "crazy?" If you got something else from reading my posts then you must be the crazy one.

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I understood your point, but your tone towards me has been negative as if I did something to you, and now you are saying I have a comprehension problem, which again is a verbal attack towards me. SO I WILL REITERATE AGAIN IN CASE YOU DIDN’'T UNDERSTAND, YOU DONT FUCKING KNOW ME, NOR DID I DO YOU WRONG IN ANYWAY, SO DONT COME AT ME CRAZY OR DISRESPECTFUL

[ February 22, 2007, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: SEMPERFI510 ]
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
LMFAO! Did you not understand? I said I had a problem with your bro I never said anything about you. And if you got sensitive because of this then that's on you. I haven't been disrespectful I just laid out a scenerio and you seem to take things the wrong way. Reread things again I write very clearly. If you still get sensitive then I don't know what to say. I'll just say that I would normally be disrespectful at this point but since I'm on restriction by the mods and this is in the general section I'll take it easy. But in street racing that's a whole different story!

So let me repeat this to you 1 more time, "Your brother is a shitty seller. I have nothing and no opinion about you whatsoever." Now if you get upset over this and feel its disrespectful or crazy then that's your problem not mine. Take it anyway you want at this point, I don't care!
 

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Posted by SEMPERFI510 (Member # 627) on :
 

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Originally posted by cummins:
LMFAO! Did you not understand? I said I had a problem with your bro I never said anything about you. And if you got sensitive because of this then that's on you. I haven't been disrespectful I just laid out a scenerio and you seem to take things the wrong way. Reread things again I write very clearly. If you still get sensitive then I don't know what to say. I'll just say that I would normally be disrespectful at this point but since I'm on restriction by the mods and this is in the general section I'll take it easy. But in street racing that's a whole different story!

So let me repeat this to you 1 more time, "Your brother is a shitty seller. I have nothing and no opinion about you whatsoever." Now if you get upset over this and feel its disrespectful or crazy then that's your problem not mine. Take it anyway you want at this point, I don't care!

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I can see why people hate you on here oh well I'm done with this conversation.
 

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Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on :
 

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Originally posted by cummins:
Yep I knew it was your brother. I know just about all the supra peeps in the bay. Your bro also sold me a FUCKED up converter! He said it was a barely used less than $500 miles and good condition Supra SP level 10 converter with a 4k stall. Well I bought it for $600 and threw it into my car. That conveter was FUCKED it would stall to any rpm and the car would barely move at all. I sent it back to SP and when they opened it they discovered that it was blown up! All the fins were bent and clutches fried. They also told me it was a non lock up converter specifically made NOT for a supra it was for a sand rail and that's why it didn't have any lock up provisions! They pulled off the serial numbers off it and crossed reference it with their order sheets just to make sure. And yep this was the case! It also was NOT a level 10 converter. So I told your bro this and he just shrugged his shoulders and said "Well I don't know anything about it I bought it like that." He didn't offer any refund or any help.

Luckily I'm in good with SP and their conveter company Midwest. So I shipped it back ($40) and had it rebuilt to level 10 supra specs which cost me $300. They sold it for $1200 while giving me back what I had into it ($950). So all in all I broke even but wasted a lot of time and had to r&r the trans. Since time is money I guess I took it in the ass a little on that one. And your bro just didn't even care. He misrepresented the product and didn't back any of his words up. I even pm'd him a million times on supra forums but didn't answer any of my pm's. And a little while later he was banned from supra forums and I had no other way of getting a hold of him.

So as far as your bro goes....he's a SHADY character to deal with. And I know a lot of the other supra peeps don't like him either after they dealt with him.

Anyway, to do a supra right you gotta spend the $$$. Its a rich person's toy if you go high hp. I see all these single supras just hacked but people still think its da bomb. They think big turbo = fast but they forget about all the other stuff. If you're going to do a supra do it right or don't do it at all. That's my motto. Hack a domestic like a mustang they aren't worth much anyway.

If you want to see ghetto supras go to LA they are about 85% ghetto there. Its sad to see!

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Originally posted by NavidR:
superchargers are fun but man TURBO'S kick ass

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Posted by happygmore (Member # 7159) on :
 
cummins do you have a pic of your supra?
 

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