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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
OK, i remember I had a disscusion with someone, at some point of my life. They told me that a 351 C/W was the smallest of FORDS' BIG BLOCKS- and my side of the argument was that a 351 block was probably the biggest of the SMALL BLOCKS Ford has to offer. Who is with me, I'm pretty damn sure that a 351 is a SMALL BLOCK, any input from the engine GURU'S would greatlly help.
I just remembered as I was reading recent post.

351= SMALL BLOCK
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
its def. small block
 

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Posted by pharaoh (Member # 6355) on :
 
Yup 351 It's a small block.
 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
HA HA- I was friggin right- It feels lovelly to be right, Right???? HA HA LOL-

We had a big disscusion about it and shit, whatever I just didn't wanted to seem like a dumb-ass that's why I asked. Right on guys.
 

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Posted by menlo pony (Member # 4301) on :
 
w=small block
c=big block, bring some toilet paper foo.

right?
 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
CLEVELAND and WINDSOR- both are basically built around the same platform. Same stroke, pistons interchange. So no, both are SMALL BLOCK'S, ha ha-

MENLO PONY- Empty your PM's, I have something for you. HE HE
 

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Posted by menlo pony (Member # 4301) on :
 
If i remember correctly it has something to do with the head size, number of bolts, dry intake, and different dimensions all around that make the cleveland a big block (staight shitin' on fools)
 

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Posted by menlo pony (Member # 4301) on :
 
That's why I haven't gotten any PM recently. Right on.
 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
Man ima go ahead and give you a huge bag of kirkland toilet papers- because my friend, AL, you need to wipe yourself foo! Straight shittin' on fools.... ha ha- it's all gravy.

 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
ANYONE????

Both the Cleveland and Windsor 351's are small blocks.... NO DOUBT
 

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Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
Yes they were both smallblocks. Read up on them on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 
the heads on the cleavland jus have humongus intake runners is all but stilla small block if anything if could be a mid blockLOL but with todays technology and the price it takes to build a cleavland def. more advantage runing a windsor!
 

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Posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO (Member # 6319) on :
 
Yes sir- If I would ever run a 351, it would of definatelly have to be a WINDSOR. More parts and a lot more potential. Just because the whole array of parts that you can buy off-shelf and just bolt on with no mods. Trust me this is less of a hassle when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, building time.
 

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Posted by wannabe*94*SALEEN (Member # 4113) on :
 
big block or small block, I want one in my car.
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 
it fits nicwer and everything and they jus finally came out with aluminum heads for the cleavland but shit i have seen numerious articles with almost i dentical builds and the windsor loses jus barely but that motor was also 2500 cheaper to build and it fit nice in the car and was easier to work on! and for the extra 2500 bucks i can make up for the loss of power! a big for the windsor!
 

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Posted by menlo pony (Member # 4301) on :
 

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Originally posted by NO MANRZ:
Yes they were both smallblocks. Read up on them on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine

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We have a kit at the shop to put clevland heads on a windsor block, so then you have it both ways

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what do you do for a mannifold?
 

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Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
Someone told me FE motors aren't considered Big Blocks? Like the 428FE isn't a bigblock
 

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Posted by Hele On (Member # 4107) on :
 

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Originally posted by CDT:
We have a kit at the shop to put clevland heads on a windsor block, so then you have it both ways

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Cleveland heads + 302 Windsor block = Boss 302!!!

[ February 16, 2006, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: Hele On ]
 

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Posted by CDT (Member # 5004) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camaro Kid Z/28:

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Originally posted by CDT:
We have a kit at the shop to put clevland heads on a windsor block, so then you have it both ways

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what do you do for a mannifold?

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
well actualy the 351 windsor is a small block. Ford gave no offical definiton for the 351C that is why there is always a argument I have heard it called both big and small and have even heard it called a Mid(not to be confused with the 351 M) block.

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the whole mid thing was just a joke!
 

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Posted by DOPE 50 (Member # 5892) on :
 
351 W= small block i had one and built the shit out of it
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 

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Originally posted by BlueOvalRacing:
Both the 351W and 351C have a small block bellhousing bolt pattern. Both are considered small blocks. "Mid" refers to the 351/400M (Midland engine plant) series engine. It uses the 429/460 bellhousing bolt pattern, which makes people say that it is a "big block".

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damn i guess there really is a mid block!LOL
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
Blue Oval Racing please post some offical Ford Bulletin saying a Cleveland is a small block I bet you can't...prove me wrong LOL
 

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Posted by Motorhead6T5 (Member # 4969) on :
 
I've always known the cleveland to be a big block
 

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Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Someone told me FE motors aren't considered Big Blocks? Like the 428FE isn't a bigblock

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Someone told me FE motors aren't considered Big Blocks? Like the 428FE isn't a bigblock

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anyone?

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Originally posted by Camaro Kid Z/28:

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Originally posted by CDT:
We have a kit at the shop to put clevland heads on a windsor block, so then you have it both ways

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what do you do for a mannifold?

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we have the manifold too.

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Originally posted by Camaro Kid Z/28:

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Originally posted by CDT:

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Originally posted by Camaro Kid Z/28:

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Originally posted by CDT:
We have a kit at the shop to put clevland heads on a windsor block, so then you have it both ways

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what do you do for a mannifold?

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we have the manifold too.

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is it like the old B&A peformance track boss manifold?!

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
Blue Oval Racing please post some offical Ford Bulletin saying a Cleveland is a small block I bet you can't...prove me wrong LOL

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Ford could care less what you or I call an out of production for 30 year engine. But, since you need proof, here is page 220 from the 06 Ford Racing catalog - look below. They actually consider the M (modified to them) as a small block also, but it has the big block bell. An engine with a small block bellhousing is a small block, etc... semantics(sp?)
Now it's your turn to prove to me that a Cleveland is a "big block". I'll bet you can't.


 

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Posted by BlueOvalRacing (Member # 1531) on :
 
Oh yeah 2stangs, what was the bet?
 

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Posted by SmokeyBurnout (Member # 5745) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Someone told me FE motors aren't considered Big Blocks? Like the 428FE isn't a bigblock

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anyone?

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its based off a 390 right? If so its a big block

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428,427,410,406,390,352 were all FE Big Blocks. Also, the 361 and 391 truck motors were FE's too. There might have been a few others like 331 or 332 but they are all the same family. It is a Big Block I don't care what anyone tells you. I've been an FE enthusiast for about 8-9 years now, so I kinda know a bit about them.

[ February 17, 2006, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: SmokeyBurnout ]
 

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Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Someone told me FE motors aren't considered Big Blocks? Like the 428FE isn't a bigblock

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anyone?

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its based off a 390 right? If so its a big block

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428,427,410,406,390,352 were all FE Big Blocks. Also, the 361 and 391 truck motors were FE's too. There might have been a few others like 331 or 332 but they are all the same family. It is a Big Block I don't care what anyone tells you. I've been an FE enthusiast for about 8-9 years now, so I kinda know a bit about them.

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You got any pics of a 428 in a Mustang?
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
I never said the cleveland was a Big block engine you didn't read what I wrote. I have the same catalog but I think they finaly grouped it there because it had no home in the original publications of 30 years ago they didn't classify it as far as I know.
http://www.californiafords.com/cgi-bin/album.pl?photo=00001951/Victor428_1.jpg

here is a 69 engine compartment with my old 428 i am to stupid to link LOL

[ February 17, 2006, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by v-town coupe:
the heads on the cleavland jus have humongus intake runners is all but stilla small block if anything if could be a mid blockLOL but with todays technology and the price it takes to build a cleavland def. more advantage runing a windsor!

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yep 351c cost to much to build. just buld a sick 351w.(408 )
 

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Posted by Camaro Kid Z/28 (Member # 3100) on :
 
clevelands are expsensive to build.i've done three of them in the past with all my torinos! clevland only in my torino...unless its a 460! but they can spin really high and take advantage of those big ports! i've always wanted to build a stroked cleveland, they make a 408ci kit and something alittle bigger as well! those ports work so well that they would cut the heads in sections and bolt them down onto the top of 300ci 6 cylinder dragsters back in the day!
 

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Posted by CPViolation (Member # 6493) on :
 

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Originally posted by GRIGGYJAMESJIMBO:
OK, i remember I had a disscusion with someone, at some point of my life. They told me that a 351 C/W was the smallest of FORDS' BIG BLOCKS- and my side of the argument was that a 351 block was probably the biggest of the SMALL BLOCKS Ford has to offer. Who is with me, I'm pretty damn sure that a 351 is a SMALL BLOCK, any input from the engine GURU'S would greatlly help.
I just remembered as I was reading recent post.

351= SMALL BLOCK

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