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Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

[dance]

Posted by PWR HNGRY 302 (Member # 6000) on :

Good Luck [Big Grin]

Posted by jadesville (Member # 5885) on :

GL [Whoo Whooooo!]

Posted by 88gt (Member # 579) on :

Good luck Jdub. What's your plan/reasons for justifying a raise?

Posted by DOPE 50 (Member # 5892) on :

good luck man [patriot]

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 88gt:
Good luck Jdub. What's your plan/reasons for justifying a raise?

On the 3rd of next month I'll have been here for 5 years. If you total all the increases in pay I received (not including bonus's) they total $1.69 an hour.

If that isn't reason enough I don't know what is. And its not $1.69 each year I got a raise,...it's $1.69 devided by 5 (years). So not even 34 cents an hour increace per year. Shit I'm being nice asking for only $5k

And thats only ONE reason. [Mad]

[ February 15, 2006, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Jdub07 ]

Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :

good luck let us know what happend

Posted by Avengeance (Member # 5163) on :

I know how you feel... overworked and underpaid.

$1.69 in 5yrs is horseshit! Where do you work btw?

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Avengeance:
I know how you feel... overworked and underpaid.

$1.69 in 5yrs is horseshit! Where do you work btw?

Well I'd rather not bash my company with posting the actual name...but one of the products we make are the cooling fans in your xbox's and xbox 360's so when it burns out (and I bet it will) you'll know the company. [patriot]

boss has been avoiding me all day [Mad]

Posted by n8y8 (Member # 6048) on :

If it will help you go onto this site www.salary.com lots of good information about salary and raises, mean and median salaries depending on geographic location and a bunch of stuff. I run my own company with a few employees and used to be a director at a few big corporations and we use this tool alot to set salary ranges and as a tool to make sure we stay competitive in out market. You may find some good stuff in there to take to your meeting.

Note:
Not sure how close you are with your boss and or how relaxed your company is. But it is generally not wise to go into this type of thing with the "I have been this here this long and this is all I got" routine. Show your value in the company (what you do and stuff) and show some stats of some sort that validate your claim. Make it seem thought out.

[ February 15, 2006, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: n8y8 ]

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by n8y8:
If it will help you go onto this site www.salary.com lots of good information about salary and raises, mean and median salaries depending on geographic location and a bunch of stuff. I run my own company with a few employees and used to be a director at a few big corporations and we use this tool alot to set salary ranges and as a tool to make sure we stay competitive in out market. You may find some good stuff in there to take to your meeting.

Note:
Not sure how close you are with your boss and or how relaxed your company is. But it is generally not wise to go into this type of thing with the "I have been this here this long and this is all I got" routine. Show your value in the company (what you do and stuff) and show some stats of some sort that validate your claim. Make it seem thought out.

Salary.com is 'OKAY' at best. It's vauge and doesn't apply to many job descriptions. In todays working world people are carrying more than one possition at a time sometimes three or four...Salary.com doesn't put this into account either. Companies just hope that their employees will be glad they even have a job and even more so if the job has health bens..

We hire 3rd party companies/conultants to crunch real numbers then shaft the employee's such as myself. That way they can blame the consultants for the crappy raises...yet these 3rd party people costs us hundreds of thousands of dollars...dollars that they could put in my pocket.

Its just a numbers game. The higher ups get what they want then throw the bones to us dogs.

My real only hope is to have a honest confersation covering all aspects of my job currently and show them how much of a difference I've made since my first day here. Simple is sometime better. If they don't see it my way then I may just put in my two weeks.

Plus $1.69 in 5 years. That is seriously a joke.

And if I did go off Salary.com I'm $10,000 below market value if in the 25% and $20,000 off market value in the 75th%...they should be sucking me off for asking $5k

[ February 15, 2006, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Jdub07 ]

Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :

what is it that you do?

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 306Coupe:
what is it that you do?

dick around online all day...hahahah [Big Grin]

Seriously though my official title is Admin Assitant III, yet I've taken on much of Facilities, some A/R and do all our Cobra Health Packages for the people we let go, quite or fire, HR used to do that and how it got dumped on me I still haven't figured that one. So in my eyes I've taken on parts of four other possitions which I totally don't mind...but a buck sixty nine?

Oh yeah I forgot I'm the only one that knows our security system, access cards, holiday access, doors, lighting, cameras etc. Its brand new as of last month and the installer quit so if anything does happen to the system we have no one but me to either fix it or contact the right people to fix it.

my job aint glamorous and I'm not even very proud of it but its keeping money coming in and I think it only fair to be compinstated

[ February 15, 2006, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Jdub07 ]

Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on :

good luck man. i totatlly understand where you're coming from. holding one too many titles and having too many responsibilities. my problem isn't pay though. it's deciding if i should stick with the company or move on. $1.69 is [BS flag]

. last year i got $5 raise [Wink]

Posted by throckman69 (Member # 6511) on :

Man good luck in your quest. something to think about, cost of living goes up like 3% a year. You should get that as a minimum raise per year if your at a decent company that values their employees. If they are not willing to give it up or negotiate a deal it's time to move on bro. Employers always try to get labor as cheap as they can get away with, so if you are that valuable it should be no problem for them to kick down some cash. Just be polite in the way you bring it to the table. And be professional about it. well that's my 2cents and how I operate. It works pretty well for me. GOOD Luck to you.

Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :

quote:
Originally posted by throckman69:
Man good luck in your quest. something to think about, cost of living goes up like 3% a year. You should get that as a minimum raise per year if your at a decent company that values their employees. If they are not willing to give it up or negotiate a deal it's time to move on bro. Employers always try to get labor as cheap as they can get away with, so if you are that valuable it should be no problem for them to kick down some cash. Just be polite in the way you bring it to the table. And be professional about it. well that's my 2cents and how I operate. It works pretty well for me. GOOD Luck to you.

Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :

good luck [patriot]

Posted by CobramanPhil (Member # 2170) on :

Never ask for dollar amount increases. You cannot justify that with simply numbers. You have to do your research and get the low, average, and high salary examples for your job position. With those figures get the percentage at where you are at. NEVER simply ask for money in $dollars. Only ask for a percentage "salary adjustment" and not a "pay raise".

Trust me..this works all the time and it will be hard for your employer to argue if you have all the facts in front of you. They can say that they cannot afford to give you an adjustment, but that is when you say, "thanks for letting us discuss this". At that point is where you start looking for another job.

Trust me...the wife is a HR director of a large company...helped me get my salary where I felt it should be... [Smile]

Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on :

how did it go [Confused]

Posted by Avengeance (Member # 5163) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jdub07:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 306Coupe:

Seriously though my official title is Admin Assitant III, yet I've taken on much of Facilities, some A/R and do all our Cobra Health Packages for the people we let go, quite or fire, HR used to do that and how it got dumped on me I still haven't figured that one. So in my eyes I've taken on parts of four other possitions which I totally don't mind...but a buck sixty nine?

Oh yeah I forgot I'm the only one that knows our security system, access cards, holiday access, doors, lighting, cameras etc. Its brand new as of last month and the installer quit so if anything does happen to the system we have no one but me to either fix it or contact the right people to fix it.

my job aint glamorous and I'm not even very proud of it but its keeping money coming in and I think it only fair to be compinstated

Man.. sounds like me. Ive proved myself the first year I was working where I am... then since I was one of the few that 1)showed interest in moving up the ladder 2)busted ass with whatever they throw at me 3)dont complain much about pay 4)never miss a day and show up 10mins early EVERY day and 4)am always willing to learn something new... since I do all of those things it seems over the last 6-8months whenever someone gets frustrated or tired of working on things they throw it at me... then it gets done. The thing that sucks is when I started I was being paid accordingly.. then I started taking on tasks from people literally making double what I do, yet I dont get a bump in pay. [Mad]

All in due time I suppose.. my goal is to sit in the boss's (sp?) chair someday, even told him that, in a nice way. [Big Grin]

[ February 17, 2006, 01:56 AM: Message edited by: Avengeance ]

Posted by svt306snake (Member # 1967) on :

ggod luck man you seem to be a honest guy and those usually come out ahead

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

Still haven't sat down with her yet. I passed by her this morning and asked to go over my anual rev. later this afternoon and that there were some things I wanted to talke about. She seemed cool so hopefully I caught her on a good day.

Thanks for all the advice...in the last three days I've put together a pretty good argument and took the above advice on not asking for a particular dollar amount. I also spoke with one of the girls in HR that I trust and she gave me some advice too. Will let ya'll know the outcome [Big Grin]

Posted by sharkattack (Member # 645) on :

Good luck

Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :

Good luck with your raise. 1.69 in five years is bullshit for real! I am glad I am part of a union [Big Grin]

Posted by t top freak (Member # 6269) on :

good luck man!

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

CAN I GET A [Whoo Whooooo!]

?

Bonus was increased to $4.5K when last year it was $3.5K, as nice as that made me feel I still wanted compensation for all the work I've taken on the past HALF DECADE!

Toward the end of my review I said I'd really like to talk about my value to ***** Products Corporation within the past 5 years. I calming 'told' NOT ASKED my boss that I felt it was time for me to be seriously acknowledged for the work I've provide the company and that a fair 'salary adjustment' be made. After 10 or so min. of bs'ing back and fourth an agreement was set and I now will be making $6.5K more per year starting next pay period.

Can I get a [Whoo Whooooo!]

?

PS. DON'T TELL MY WIFE!!!!!!! I'm not kidding..

**edit** ps...I'm getting hammered at lunch today!

[ February 17, 2006, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Jdub07 ]

Posted by BlackNGold (Member # 655) on :

Congrats!....Have a drink on me! [dance]

PS, I won't tell your wife when I see her tonight, ok?....j/k hehe

Posted by mr mach ef (Member # 4025) on :

man thats awesome, congrats

Posted by 88gt (Member # 579) on :

[Whoo Whooooo!]

I know the feeling - Congratulations. What's your drink of choice at lunch today?

Posted by Camaro Kid Z/28 (Member # 3100) on :

congradulations dude! [Whoo Whooooo!]

Posted by Avengeance (Member # 5163) on :

[Whoo Whooooo!]

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

Conrats!!! You sounded like you went in there well prepared. My review is next week. I just want to get it over with. [patriot]

Posted by BCINGUU (Member # 2397) on :

Congrats! After taxes, that will buy some nice parts. Such as a set of tires with some tread left, or maybe a nice supercharger belt... ;-)

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

Thanks for the support guys...I' m HAAAmmmmmerd on Redbulls and BVOKas... little cute girl from work tolook me to lunch and I'm holding my 9own but can't wait tilll 5 so ti can go home. I'm on the verdger of vomoit bout have my trusty cup of vodka redbull in my hand..don't tell the boosss.

BlackN gold...if you tell jEnn I'll hav to cutt you nutts off.

QAne 5o 3f34yone thay gave aduive I thank you,..if I ent in there with theqa dollart amount I thnink Oi woul hav ebeefn gscerwed. Its friday and shit I"m trying to type rproperly but redbulls and b odkas its kinda hard.

Cafords is not affiliated with my drunkenessa and I take full responsabiliyt for my actions...

Posted by Avengeance (Member # 5163) on :

Wait a fuckin minute here.....

Youre on you lunch from work with some hot chick (ie not your wife).. gettin hammered on redbull and vodka... and youre going back to work until 5?

Maybe there was a reason you only got $1.69 in 5 yrs? [Confused]

Correct me if Im wrong and not understanding what you are saying. Anyone read this like I read it?

Posted by Dag302 (Member # 4682) on :

Good Job [Whoo Whooooo!]

Can I borrow some money now?

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Avengeance:
Wait a fuckin minute here.....

Youre on you lunch from work with some hot chick (ie not your wife).. gettin hammered on redbull and vodka... and youre going back to work until 5?

Maybe there was a reason you only got $1.69 in 5 yrs?

Correct me if Im wrong and not understanding what you are saying. Anyone read this like I read it?

I'm soooo offff work ritgh now..Even theogh I'm here (physically) I'm offf ementally! It's about damn time I get some companesation for my job. I'm taking the rest of the day off. boss left to pick up her daughter so I could care leesss about my curent actions...just don't affiliate my current acctions with californiafords.com okay! this is me and my 8issues

And i WANT to say thanks to eveyone with their advice..some of you really helped m get what I wanted. I could have gone into this with the wrong aprotch....soo thanks...I'm ouit

REDBUTLL & BODKAS DON"T MIX NWHILE AT WORK!

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Avengeance:
Wait a fuckin minute here.....

Youre on you lunch from work with some hot chick (ie not your wife).. gettin hammered on redbull and vodka... and youre going back to work until 5?

Maybe there was a reason you only got $1.69 in 5 yrs?

Correct me if Im wrong and not understanding what you are saying. Anyone read this like I read it?

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Avengeance:
Wait a fuckin minute here.....

Youre on you lunch from work with some hot chick (ie not your wife).. gettin hammered on redbull and vodka... and youre going back to work until 5?

Maybe there was a reason you only got $1.69 in 5 yrs?

Correct me if Im wrong and not understanding what you are saying. Anyone read this like I read it?

Posted by BlackNGold (Member # 655) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jdub07:
Thanks for the support guys...I' m HAAAmmmmmerd on Redbulls and BVOKas... little cute girl from work tolook me to lunch and I'm holding my 9own but can't wait tilll 5 so ti can go home. I'm on the verdger of vomoit bout have my trusty cup of vodka redbull in my hand..don't tell the boosss.

BlackN gold...if you tell jEnn I'll hav to cutt you nutts off.

QAne 5o 3f34yone thay gave aduive I thank you,..if I ent in there with theqa dollart amount I thnink Oi woul hav ebeefn gscerwed. Its friday and shit I"m trying to type rproperly but redbulls and b odkas its kinda hard.

Cafords is not affiliated with my drunkenessa and I take full responsabiliyt for my actions...

LOL, you're CREAZZZY MAN!...

Posted by BlackNGold (Member # 655) on :

If you need a ride from work lemme know...Did you drive the Stang today?....

[ February 17, 2006, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: BlackNGold ]

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

I suck delete this post..I just responded with Three of the same resondeds.........delte this pleadse.

Sorry for my emoral actions....My drunkensss again is no affiliation wiht cafords.com

Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :

are you really drunk? [Roll Eyes]

have you no manners?.. you are supposed to invite at least one caford member drinking with you.. [Razz]

i'm available. [Whoo Whooooo!]

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

no i did not tdrive the stang todayl...today si rain day and I would n not subject my mustang to such horror.

I can however drive home. I'm 3.2 miles from work to home. I'm now sobber enough to pick up my 'celebration' and go home.

HAHAH again if not then no biggie but if I can then hit me up!

Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jdub07:
no i did not tdrive the stang todayl...today si rain day and I would n not subject my mustang to such horror.

I can however drive home. I'm 3.2 miles from work to home. I'm now sobber enough to pick up my 'celebration' and go home.

HAHAH again if not then no biggie but if I can then hit me up!

3.2 miles.. walk [Razz]

in this cold.. you'll be sober by the time you get home.

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